What does “protect abortion” mean?This is new development but this will drive Dem turnout in the sunshine state
Florida Amendment 4, Right to Abortion Initiative (2024)
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Yeah when they say they are protecting someone you better watch out. They don’t protect anyone or anything they destroy it.
More bad news Sho.This is new development but this will drive Dem turnout in the sunshine state
Florida Amendment 4, Right to Abortion Initiative (2024)
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
Not sure why you're bring up race yet AGAIN with me on a post that has nothing to do with race. Is there something you're trying to say but too stupid or 🐔💩 to say?
You seem to have an issue with race friend because you continue to bring it up SPECIFICALLY with ME and ONLY ME, REPEATEDLY. Now, from my perspective this appears as though you have an issue with race. I'm not going to say it's SPECIFICALLY MY RACE but it's definitely a PATTERN of behavior that one could say is borderline ANTAGONISTIC.
Sometimes you have to make things obvious for people to get the hint
Will leave the ethical debate to others, but the reality is that if you want to win elections in this country, you have to accept the reality that a large majority of the country supports the right to choose with some restricitons.This is new development but this will drive Dem turnout in the sunshine state
Florida Amendment 4, Right to Abortion Initiative (2024)
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
the reason they won't do as you suggest is because it's not bullshit. no way the party agrees to your statement.
Where are the examples? Seriously. Are there hundreds of thousands of women out there that wanted an abortion but couldn't get one? I suspect we would see a ton of articles and data supporting that notion if it were true. Maybe it is. Give me your examples and stats and I will concede the argument.
www.texastribune.org
That mentions it being harder to get abortions in some states versus others. I'm curious if it truly has had the effect of people not being able to get them at all, the suggestion that media has made when Roe v Wade decision came down. A national decision."In the months since Texas outlawed abortion and prohibited adolescents from receiving gender-transition care, women have flooded abortion clinics in nearby states and parents with transgender children have moved to places where puberty blockers and hormone therapy remain legal.
So now, Texas conservatives are testing the limits of their power beyond state lines.
Some cities and counties have passed so-called travel bans aimed at stopping Texans from driving to abortion appointments in other states. Meanwhile, Attorney General Ken Paxton has demanded medical records from at least two out-of-state clinics that provide gender-affirming care to minors."
Texas conservatives test how far they can extend abortion and gender-transition restrictions beyond state lines
Recent state and local legal maneuvers signal that Texas’ conservative movement could be wading into a complicated constitutional morass the country hasn’t dealt with since before the Civil War.
You're sort of moving the ball here. No one says [Dobbs] has stopped abortions, at least not that I am aware of...
Fair. To those on my side that root for these kinds of restrictions on an ethical basis, i would point to the fact that nationally, folks still get the abortion, so why do something politically stupid that ultimately doesn't accomplish the ethical goal? The long game would be to compromise on a political loser, win elections, and fight for other issues that are winnable.
That's the kind of stat I'm looking for, but curious how they came up with that number. Given the political winner this is for the democrats, I would expect to see article after article about the specific women who fall into this category. I haven't really seen that.
I just posted a story from the NYTimes detailing a story showing the ending of Roe prevented 20% to 25% of women who would have normal sought out an abortion did not get one.
This story has been out for months just not in right wing media because they want to hide the fact the end of Roe has had an affect on 10s thousands of families in those states with strict bans.
www.nbcnews.com
imho, I don't think any of this puts Florida in play. while Biden lost by only 3% in 2020, I don't think ballot initiatives are going to overcome other structural factors in the state.I fully expected more stories like this to blank the media landscape in the sunshine state this summer and fall. I expect all those northern transplants who moved to FL for the weather and tax free benefits to come out in force. It's may not be enough to get to the 60% threshold to protect woman's reproductive rights but could have a huge affect in the presidential. If FL falls it's over in November for Trump
Texas Supreme Court rules against woman who sought abortion hours after she says she’ll travel out of state
A state district judge granted the request last week, but the Texas Supreme Court directed the lower court to vacate its order Monday.
Only thing I would like to see eliminated is the taxpayers paying for it. Most people support a time limit on abortion. Trump has already stated he was for I think 15 week period but the Dems are ignoring what he said just like everything else.
We will have to wait until November but supports of abortion rights have yet to lose a single ballot initiative and that includes in states: Montana, Kansas and Ohio. You combine abortion and weed legalization being on the ballot in FL may be enough for Dems to drive turnout. Also, FL isn't the paradise many in the right wing media is making out to be.
I don’t believe abortion and weed is going to be an issue. The economy and the border is what is going to be the main issue. People are hurting now and that’s two main causes of it.
I agree it doesn't put Florida in play but it certainly occupies ad dollars that can be used in swing states. More time and money will be spent in Florida because of it and that helps Biden IMO.
Again - would like to see the supporting data for that study. If that truly is the case, I would expect a 20%-25% reduction in abortions overall in this country.
I don’t know if money is going to win this race this time. People already know what Trump did for the country and they already know what Biden is doing. That’s the reason Trump is leading right now.
As far as dim turnout, obviously you don't know that registered Republicans now outnumber registered 'RATs by 850,000 in my state ... and I am not even a registered Republican.This is new development but this will drive Dem turnout in the sunshine state
Florida Amendment 4, Right to Abortion Initiative (2024)
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
Nothing wins over independents like seeing AZ representatives gathering on the floor of the senate and speaking in tongues in support of a 123 year old law that threatens anyone who aids a woman getting an abortion with years in jail.
Idiots. No problem with the stance itself. But it totally ignores political realities. If we want to keep losing elections and ignore the long game of getting most, not all, of policies we want, we will allow this dumb shit to keep happening.
Not to be flip about this, but when you are convinced you are the instrument of God’s will on earth, not only is compromise not an option, it’s a grave sin.
I could say the same about the righteous media / left mission and “ends justify the means” mentality.
This led me to think about left wing policies or positions that are both deeply unpopular and that people are passionate about.
