Regulated Socialism or Free market Capitalism?
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Socialism is the way to go! Ask any Venezuelan or Cuban! There's a reason they don't have to worry about closing their borders.
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Socialism is communism-lite. Free societies should treat each like a deadly cancer. Capitalism is the only way forward.
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You don't deserve freedom.
Mostly socialism. They love them some communism.
So your local fire department should be paid for by only those who use it? Public Schools. Roads, and that is Socialism.Police too? Some things are paid for by all.
Read the Acts of the Apostles. That Jesus and Peter were Socialists just don't apply in our Capitalist today? Matthew 25 is just old stuff. If the Gospels don't apply today then Jesus no longer matters.
I believe He matters and believe in the New Testament on what Jesus wants us to do, WWJD is my guidance.
One eats the other. Money and power do not allow for co-existence.
Our founding fathers knew that and opted for the strength of the country to be built on the economic freedom of the citizen and the citizens initiative to succeed within personal choice of governmental representation and control of government by the people.
When that is turned to a more socialist economic system, the financial strength is provided by the central government, controlled by the central government, and citizen initiative rationed by the government.
When initiative is stalled, the option of salvation becomes the politician, and it is sold for a vote.
The socialism this country is moving to isn’t benevolent, it’s political maneuvering. It creates political wealth and separation of citizen and government. Politicians become the elite class and sell agenda.
Socialism is like an aggressive cancer that destroys the host.
In other words you are describing Biden’s government to a T.
Not so, Jesus and the apostles where not socialist. Socialism is a form of govt. Giving to the poor is a free will activity of Christians, not forced by the govt. Annanias and Saphira were killed for lying to God, not for not giving all their proceeds from the sale of property.
I give to my church and other charities and to some individuals directly if a need arises. The govt should not be in the business of performing charity. The govt is wasteful and less good is done by the govt than the church, when it comes to directly helping individuals.
If you call roads and bridges etc socialism you got me. I don't. That is a govt function to help carry on commerse.
Pardon me if I am wrong, but aren't you one of the first to support baby murder, lgbqtxyz and all sorts of other vile dim policies. I think you missed the WWJD philosophy. In fact, the dim party is the one of the most far removed from being Christ like organizations in existence today. Do you want to have this discussion are will you just deny that homosexuality is a sin even though numerous scripture's say otherwise?
One of the worst things dims do is try to use scripture to back up something they want or to guilt someone about something. Always out of context.
Here twist this, 1 Cor 6:9-12
Get back to me and tell me how you can support the dim party in light of this scripture. And don't say well I don't support that part but I still support the party. I have the scripture to show you that you can't have cake and eat it too. We are not to support sin. The dim party supports homosexuality, baby murder and a host of other vile activities.
Ill be interested in your defense of the dim party. Oh and there are more passages which condemn homosexuality as a sin. I'll give you those if you want.
Matthew 25, and beginning in the end of 24, are 4 stories about Believers who didn't make it.
Four stories which all say the same thing – emphasis is on those who were not ready.
Some were not ready – because they had NOT done certain things. These people were not criminals, they were not full of vice. None of them is accused of a single sin. They are only accused of having not done something. Some people say I’ve never done anyone any harm, but God can reply that you have never done anyone any good either.
In each story the people who are finally rejected had a connection with the central figure in the story (Jesus is the central figure in each story): In the first story the servant of the household is sent to hell. In the second it is the bridesmaids waiting for the wedding, looking for the bridegroom. In the third is a man given a talent by the businessman. And in the fourth the goats have been in the flock of one shepherd
They could finish with – and they lived unhappily ever after.
No socialism in these stores.
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WOW! Where are all the lib responses on this one…scary and pretty telling
U mean printing money doesn't work?
But we are sold that philosophy in every decision whether opinion, or fact, or science, or whatever.
We can emotionally make anything truth and feelings matter over truth.
The only thing in the world that we humans think don’t need logic, discipline and standards of organization are our societal norms.
Then we wonder why nothing is normal, safe, or sustaining.
Capitalism works……hope that doesn’t make me a racist (“nationalist”).
Capitalism is not just a philosophy,...but it's the default system that's part of human history before it ever had a name,..
the aggrandizing of wealth/power by any other name is "anti-capitalist",.... which should be the dirty word used
the aggrandizing of wealth/power by any other name is "anti-capitalist",.... which should be the dirty word used
It does and it doesn’t……. make you a racist.
Capitalism every time. People are upset that there are billionaires, they think they don’t deserve it and resent it. But what it is is kind of a measurement of their own miserable lives.
Neither. It's always easy when we can only give two choices.
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Capitalism, and it’s not even close!
Many citizens have shown they can not handle Freedom nor care for Freedom!
You do not like capitalism? You must be kidding! I guess you think the government should take care of all our needs? If that is the case you deserve neither security or freedom!
Did I say that?
Example: Do you agree with Trump on tariffs for imports? If so, you're not in agreement with total free market capitalism.
Some more:
Does Pure Capitalism Exist in the United States?
While those categories, though oversimplified, have elements of truth to them, they are far less relevant today. If the pure capitalism described by Marx ever existed, it has long since disappeared, as governments in the United States and many other countries have intervened in their economies to limit concentrations of power and address many of the social problems associated with unchecked private commercial interests. As a result, the American economy is perhaps better described as a "mixed" economy, with government playing an important role along with private enterprise.Although Americans often disagree about exactly where to draw the line between their beliefs in both free enterprise and government management, the mixed economy they have developed has been remarkably successful.
This article is adapted from the book "Outline of the U.S. Economy" by Conte and Karr and has been adapted with permission from the U.S. Department of State.
https://www.thoughtco.com/overview-of-americas-capitalist-economy-1147550
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It’s starts with “no one should have a billion dollars”, and ends with “no one should have $100,000”.
Socialism stops other people from having more money than you. That's the attraction.
But they never complain about Soros having billions. Or Zuckerberg or Bill Gates or Jans Jorg Weiss. They're ok with Hollywood elites and wealthy Wall Streeters, too.
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And you said/asked this:
“You don't pay for Public High School why pay for college?“
I answered with this:
“A big portion comes from property tax that people pay at the end of the year, including myself. Then you have local, state and federal taxes.
In other words, it ain’t free.
To make college free, you would have to just pay more tax. I don’t want it, if someone wants their kid/s to go to college……they can pay for it or pay for themselves to go. I certainly don’t want to share in the expense.
Now if this system was used from day 1 ( (free college), this might be a different conversation.
Just got through sending two through (paid as they went), also worked and sent myself through with no help…,.wife was lucky with partial athletic scholarship and her parents paid the rest.”
Nothing is free…."
Now you are saying this (above):
“So your local fire department should be paid for by only those who use it? Public Schools. Roads, and that is Socialism.Police too? Some things are paid for by all.”
Do you even know what you are talking about???
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Argentina just voted out socialism. Their economy has come roaring back.
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Why is a tariff imposed by the government not part of the free market concept?
Because free markets don't have tariffs. Free markets say I make better products and my quality and price combined is better than your quality and price combined. A tariff is placed by the government to try to "even" things. What some might call a tinge of socialism.
The problem lies with the people operating the system. People will revert to what serves their invidual needs over the needs of their constituents. That is why we are a Constitutional Republic, to limit the chances of corruption, which we are deep in the throes of now. Pure Capitalism does not work, it like other things needs a system of checks and balances. A muscle car is nothing with out brakes, if you plan on driving it.
So is property tax socialism?
We have no choice, it is dictated by the gov.
Purchasing a product from another country that carries a tariff is a purchase choice by the consumer. It does not have to be purchased.
China, for instance, does not burden its companies with wage minimums and doesn’t prosecute intellectual property privacy. They instead take advantage of artificially regulated gov mandates imposed on domestic industry by competing country governments.
Choice of purchase is free market. Minimum wage is not. Tax on the secure of raw materials, then taxing the transport of those materials, then taxing the sale of the raw materials to the production company, then taxing the sale to the wholesaler, then taxing the sale to the retailer, then taxing the sale to the consumer.
The kicker is that the consumer pays the entire combination of taxes in the purchase of the product. If the product is wanted.
Our governments own socialist approach towards trade places our domestic companies at a disadvantage in the marketplace when competing internationally.
A free market economy dictates the wage and benefit to the worker.
The reward in a free market economy is being valuable to employer and product valuable to consumer. But in our country, we bring manipulated wage minimums to reward the least valuable, which in turn artificially inflated the wage of the valuable.
At least a tariff is designed to favor American businesses and Americans, and in most cases, the country who is tarriff'd has reciprocal punitive trade policy with us as well. If our slight departure from global free market forces is in place to benefit us and win in a trade war, that's fine. It is our Country, and the rest of the world doesn't play by our rules.
