Well, I'd like to buy a new car but it would be "crippling debt"...

[Double Deuce Dawg]

according to Dookie Boy Joe and the libs. How do they see $20000 as crippling debt when it's associated with student loans, but not with major purchases like autos and homes?

Just call it like it is you lying imbecile....it's a campaign bribe designed to bail out a bunch of irresponsible entitlement babies who had no plans at all of paying it back.

Glad the Supreme Court mashed that plan but Stupid Joe & the libs will try to find another path to turn taxpayer money into campaign bribes for the Volvo driving entitlement brats.

 

[Georgia Jim]

according to Dookie Boy Joe and the libs. How do they see $20000 as crippling debt when it's associated with student loans, but not with major purchases like autos and homes?

Just call it like it is you lying imbecile....it's a campaign bribe designed to bail out a bunch of irresponsible entitlement babies who had no plans at all of paying it back.

Glad the Supreme Court mashed that plan but Stupid Joe & the libs will try to find another path to turn taxpayer money into campaign bribes for the Volvo driving entitlement brats.

I wonder how many of this group have taken on $1000 worth of car payments in the last 2 -3 years...

 

[Double Deuce Dawg]

I wonder how many of this group have taken on $1000 worth of car payments in the last 2 -3 years...

If it happens at all, which it shouldn't, the Gubmint should pay directly to the lenders.

Give it to the keyuds and the debts won't get paid. They'll blow right through it, still be in debt and will have their hands out asking for more.

 

[Eastmandawg]

according to Dookie Boy Joe and the libs. How do they see $20000 as crippling debt when it's associated with student loans, but not with major purchases like autos and homes?

Just call it like it is you lying imbecile....it's a campaign bribe designed to bail out a bunch of irresponsible entitlement babies who had no plans at all of paying it back.

Glad the Supreme Court mashed that plan but Stupid Joe & the libs will try to find another path to turn taxpayer money into campaign bribes for the Volvo driving entitlement brats.

BAH!!!…..suck it up and get a 2nd job.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Uh, my ACA payment is $1800.00 per month with 6500.00 deductibles for all 3 on the policy. If student loans is crippling debt, the clusterboink health payment plan is a tactical nuke.

 

[Eastmandawg]

Uh, my ACA payment is $1800.00 per month with 6500.00 deductibles for all 3 on the policy. If student loans is crippling debt, the clusterboink health payment plan is a tactical nuke.

HC has gone crazy, forced me to go pimping again.

 

[Double Deuce Dawg]

Uh, my ACA payment is $1800.00 per month with 6500.00 deductibles for all 3 on the policy. If student loans is crippling debt, the clusterboink health payment plan is a tactical nuke.

Biden wants to be Oprah Winfrey except white, male, and incompetent.

 

[nice marmot]

Uh, my ACA payment is $1800.00 per month with 6500.00 deductibles for all 3 on the policy. If student loans is crippling debt, the clusterboink health payment plan is a tactical nuke.

If you are in Georgia, you have Kemp to thank for that (not that the ACA is perfect, it isn't, but in states that fully implemented it (excepting New York) it's been better than what was.

(New York did it's own crazy shit and it's terrible there because there are affordable plans but no doctors that take them and you don't get anything from them anyway except catastrophic care.

 

[3 Pete]

Car loan forgiveness is the answer.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

If you are in Georgia, you have Kemp to thank for that (not that the ACA is perfect, it isn't, but in states that fully implemented it (excepting New York) it's been better than what was.

(New York did it's own crazy shit and it's terrible there because there are affordable plans but no doctors that take them and you don't get anything from them anyway except catastrophic care.

Call me crazy but I'm a fan of liberty. And no, there is no state in the union that would have a premium and deductibles anywhere close to my previous plan. I've always been able to look at my situation and pick a plan that worked best for me. I didn't need the government to write 3 plans, outlaw all the other plans and force me to pay 3 times as much as my previous plan that would make my yrly premium more than my old maximum out of pocket. Hell, I buy insurance to protect me from loses that are in the neighborhood of my ACA max out of pocket. The ACA is not health insurance, it's a scam health insurance payment scheme with a lot of cost shifting and some income redistribution thrown in.

 

[3 Pete]

Call me crazy but I'm a fan of liberty. And no, there is no state in the union that would have a premium and deductibles anywhere close to my previous plan. I've always been able to look at my situation and pick a plan that worked best for me. I didn't need the government to write 3 plans, outlaw all the other plans and force me to pay 3 times as much as my previous plan that would make my yrly premium more than my old maximum out of pocket. Hell, I buy insurance to protect me from loses that are in the neighborhood of my ACA max out of pocket. The ACA is not health insurance, it's a scam health insurance payment scheme with a lot of cost shifting and some income redistribution thrown in.

You didn't get the $2500 savings that Obama promised?

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

You didn't get the $2500 savings that Obama promised?

No, and the thing that really pisses me off is if I need a minor service (like allergy testing) or any specialist visit, I will save around 60% by negotiating with the doctor as a cash pay rather than paying the ACA deductible. Basically, what I have the the ACA is an outrageously expensive catastrophic plan.

 

[nice marmot]

No, and the thing that really pisses me off is if I need a minor service (like allergy testing) or any specialist visit, I will save around 60% by negotiating with the doctor as a cash pay rather than paying the ACA deductible. Basically, what I have the the ACA is an outrageously expensive catastrophic plan.

again, what state do you live in? I have great care and a great deal (much much better than before) because the state I "live" in did it right. Indeed, I quit being a Georgia resident because they wouldn't.

 

[LRA Dawg]

again, what state do you live in? I have great care and a great deal (much much better than before) because the state I "live" in did it right. Indeed, I quit being a Georgia resident because they wouldn't.

I may need to go aca in CO soon. Any chance that’s where you live?

 

[nice marmot]

I may need to go aca in CO soon. Any chance that’s where you live?

It's not, and I confess I don't know what their plans look like, but I do know that they fully implemented the ACA. A quick gloss I don't see that they have BCBS, which is too bad.

For transparency's sake, I pay 1200 a month for two people, with a $1500 deductible for each person. I have access to BCBS national network of physicians and facilities, ie can get care anywhere or have doctors wherever, do not require prior authorization to see a specialist. plan includes dental, emergency room visits covered as are ambulances etc, most preventative screenings covered, including labs and the colonoscopy I just had to get, and the co-pays aren’t bad, Rx is cheap and goes to deductible.

People forget the situation prior to the ACA. It may have seen all rosy and good, but it wasn’t, inflation was rapidly affecting healthcare even in 2010 . Etc. in part because the system was bearing so many uninsureds.

I think most of us were paying attention during the terrible process that resulted in this legislation, which means it is far from perfect, but it is so much better than what was there and was absolutely necessary.

 

[celticdawg]

It's not, and I confess I don't know what their plans look like, but I do know that they fully implemented the ACA. A quick gloss I don't see that they have BCBS, which is too bad.

For transparency's sake, I pay 1200 a month for two people, with a $1500 deductible for each person. I have access to BCBS national network of physicians and facilities, ie can get care anywhere or have doctors wherever, do not require prior authorization to see a specialist. plan includes dental, emergency room visits covered as are ambulances etc, most preventative screenings covered, including labs and the colonoscopy I just had to get, and the co-pays aren’t bad, Rx is cheap and goes to deductible.

People forget the situation prior to the ACA. It may have seen all rosy and good, but it wasn’t, inflation was rapidly affecting healthcare even in 2010 . Etc. in part because the system was bearing so many uninsureds.

I think most of us were paying attention during the terrible process that resulted in this legislation, which means it is far from perfect, but it is so much better than what was there and was absolutely necessary.

Some people don't want to give credit for all those people who could get affordable insurance, because "those people" were responsible.

They want to harp on some political promises and not look at the total picture. And yes, some people were worse off. Fortunately I went on Medicare around that time because I was paying $3,000 a month for the two of us because of preexisting conditions. I was looking forward to help.

It's far from perfect, but nothing is preventing changes being made.

 

[nice marmot]

Some people don't want to give credit for all those people who could get affordable insurance, because "those people" were responsible.

They want to harp on some political promises and not look at the total picture. And yes, some people were worse off. Fortunately I went on Medicare around that time because I was paying $3,000 a month for the two of us because of preexisting conditions. I was looking forward to help.

It's far from perfect, but nothing is preventing changes being made.

Right… if you were unfortunate enough to have a pre-existing condition, or even a report of one that wasn’t actually a condition, you would get a rider the next time you applied excluding coverage of possible comorbidities related to that condition

I know because under the old system was foolish enough to get tested by an allergy doc who said I had asthma (I do not), and the quack prescribed me a bunch of drugs that I should have known to refuse, and all of a sudden within a year I had to sign a rider excluding all pulmonary care despite that I did not have asthma.

That was the last straw for me.

And that’s just one part of the dynamic: we haven’t even talked about labor issues connected to healthcare, Of which there are many. Ours is a very strange system, but very American!

 

[3 Pete]

I think most of us were paying attention during the terrible process that resulted in this legislation

I sure was. Congress passed Obamacare then exempted themselves from it. The first candidate that makes it mandatory for Congress gets my vote. Make them subject to insider trading laws as well.