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What Democrats are doing to Trump is some true banana republic crap. They should be ashamed but they aren’t.

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Can you imagine if the parties were reversed on this? Omg the outcry.

A Democrat and his administration have worked with their top donor to get his Presidential opponent stuck in a court every single day during the campaign season full of Democrat jurors and a far far left tds suffering judge. Led by a DA whose a whole campaign was about getting Trump by any means possible. The same DA who repeatedly downgrades felonies to misdemeanors and releases everyone with zero bail is charging Trump with a felony when it has NEVER been a felony before is doing this. The chat Democrats who were so damn worried about our threat to Democracy should be ashamed of themselves for not speaking up now.

 
The lefties here will not listen to this. It is unfortunate. Other than who he believes will win the election, there is nothing but facts in his statements. This is where we are. And people honestly celebrate this and believe it is a good thing. I have another video. If anyone dares watch it to the end, the same thing about governing from one side. No one will listen to it either. The video down at the bottom I stumbled on to. The one at the top is awful, but the bottom video isn’t all testimony. It goes to actual arrests being made of illegals daily. And what they have been charged with already in these sanctuary cities. Very disheartening. Massachusetts under siege.

 
Can you imagine if the parties were reversed on this? Omg the outcry.

A Democrat and his administration have worked with their top donor to get his Presidential opponent stuck in a court every single day during the campaign season full of Democrat jurors and a far far left tds suffering judge. Led by a DA whose a whole campaign was about getting Trump by any means possible. The same DA who repeatedly downgrades felonies to misdemeanors and releases everyone with zero bail is charging Trump with a felony when it has NEVER been a felony before is doing this. The chat Democrats who were so damn worried about our threat to Democracy should be ashamed of themselves for not speaking up now.

So Trump is innocent? Only if he is does your rant have any valid point. The evidence in this trial is overwhelming. However it only takes one juror to hang a jury and let Trump whimper about being picked on.
 
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So Trump is innocent? Only if he is does your rant have any valid point. The evidence in this trial is overwhelming. However it only takes one juror to hang a jury and let Trump whimper about being picked on.
Did you watch the video? This has never been a felony charge ever. Until Trump. I am sure he paid her off. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit. You don’t have to whine for him. Two cases, this one and the property value case have both been firsts. (Ever, never happened before)It doesn’t make you pause and wonder what the response may be when this insanity is over.
 
So Trump is innocent? Only if he is does your rant have any valid point. The evidence in this trial is overwhelming. However it only takes one juror to hang a jury and let Trump whimper about being picked on.
Is what he did commonly charged as a FELONY? That is the point he made, not whether or not he is innocent.
 
What the democrats are doing destroys it . What Trump hurts one feelings. That seems to be their biggest point. With democrats it look at me and I will make you smile and castrate your country.
 
What the democrats are doing destroys it . What Trump hurts one feelings. That seems to be their biggest point. With democrats it look at me and I will make you smile and castrate your country.
This country started out castrated. Look at the words of the constitution and compare them to what was actually done then and continues today.
 
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We know what he is charged with. Never been upgraded to felony obstruction in a case like this. Till trump. Ever. It doesn’t bother you, why upgrade to a felony just for him? Answer me that and I will give you your due. Hint: a felon may not be allowed on the ballot. Isn’t that a little bit suspicious and a worthy reason for anyone without tds to be a little skeptical.

You seem to know trump had sex. Were you there? I wasn’t there when Biden pinched this nipple. But the little girl confirmed it later. Oh, and there is video evidence of it. Both guys are dirtbags. Just wanted to remind you, one banged a pornstar. Allegedly. Nothing alleged about this Biden molestation. You can go away with the high and mighty crap n
 
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Can you imagine if the parties were reversed on this? Omg the outcry.

A Democrat and his administration have worked with their top donor to get his Presidential opponent stuck in a court every single day during the campaign season full of Democrat jurors and a far far left tds suffering judge. Led by a DA whose a whole campaign was about getting Trump by any means possible. The same DA who repeatedly downgrades felonies to misdemeanors and releases everyone with zero bail is charging Trump with a felony when it has NEVER been a felony before is doing this. The chat Democrats who were so damn worried about our threat to Democracy should be ashamed of themselves for not speaking up now.

What do you think would've happened if Obama had said of McCain when he ran against him that he was a loser and failure for being captured and he preferred soldiers who don't get captured? Conservatives been okay with that?
 
Is what he did commonly charged as a FELONY? That is the point he made, not whether or not he is innocent.
It's a reach. The other cases aren't though and are built on better evidence. This one has more of the tabloid salacious type stuff though.
 
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What do you think would've happened if Obama had said of McCain when he ran against him that he was a loser and failure for being captured and he preferred soldiers who don't get captured? Conservatives been okay with that?
Yeah that is such a fair comparison lol. Let's see..talking crap or throwing your political opponent in prison.....
 
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Yeah that is such a fair comparison lol. Let's see..talking crap or throwing your political opponent in prison.....
The judgment has come in? Do tell. Heck, I just heard they were picking jurors.
 
So Trump is innocent? Only if he is does your rant have any valid point. The evidence in this trial is overwhelming. However it only takes one juror to hang a jury and let Trump whimper about being picked on.
How long is the statue of limitations on something like this??
 
It's a reach. The other cases aren't though and are built on better evidence. This one has more of the tabloid salacious type stuff though.
$450M for “inflating real estate values” as part of a loan underwriting process where lenders were satisfied with the business and want to do more isnt a reach? I am in the real estate business I can tell you something like this has never ever happened.

The selective enforcement of crimes ranging from illegal immigrants who then murder college coeds all the way up to the strategic proesexition of political opponents has been eye opening and honestly a much bigger “threat to democracy” than an unarmed jackass with a Viking hat.

Looking forward to this behavior being dealt with in November. The silent minority has become the silent majority. Folks are sick of Biden and left bullshit. When Bill Maher of all people seems to be siding with the right on most things lately younkmow
You have jumped the shark.
 
$450M for “inflating real estate values” as part of a loan underwriting process where lenders were satisfied with the business and want to do more isnt a reach? I am in the real estate business I can tell you something like this has never ever happened.

The selective enforcement of crimes ranging from illegal immigrants who then murder college coeds all the way up to the strategic proesexition of political opponents has been eye opening and honestly a much bigger “threat to democracy” than an unarmed jackass with a Viking hat.

Looking forward to this behavior being dealt with in November. The silent minority has become the silent majority. Folks are sick of Biden and left bullshit. When Bill Maher of all people seems to be siding with the right on most things lately younkmow
You have jumped the shark.
If McCain had been nearly thrown in jail and had half a billion dollars basically stolen from him, he probably says I would rather you just talk shit about me. What trump said about him was deplorable, and likely part of the reason so many are taking their shots at him. But some of this is to the point of the ridiculous. Anyone saying different has an agenda. A guy being punished financially like no one ever has before, for paying a loan back on time, is literally the definition of insanity.
 
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My understanding is him paying her/them off is not the alleged crime.

If I remember correctly, this case centers on him falsifying business records in the first degree...which...is a class E felony in new York state (probation or very little time in jail if convicted).

History shows that trump fudges the numbers on occasion so "common sense" says he did the same here to conceal the payment from his business.

Let's see it play out in court. Surprised they have half the jury selected already. Interesting bipartisan group based on description. Let the chips fall where they may...
 
Can you imagine if the parties were reversed on this? Omg the outcry.

A Democrat and his administration have worked with their top donor to get his Presidential opponent stuck in a court every single day during the campaign season full of Democrat jurors and a far far left tds suffering judge. Led by a DA whose a whole campaign was about getting Trump by any means possible. The same DA who repeatedly downgrades felonies to misdemeanors and releases everyone with zero bail is charging Trump with a felony when it has NEVER been a felony before is doing this. The chat Democrats who were so damn worried about our threat to Democracy should be ashamed of themselves for not speaking up now.

What he says is true as far as it goes. This is a felony because it was a plot to hide something because it would influence a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
 
$450M for “inflating real estate values” as part of a loan underwriting process where lenders were satisfied with the business and want to do more isnt a reach? I am in the real estate business I can tell you something like this has never ever happened.

The selective enforcement of crimes ranging from illegal immigrants who then murder college coeds all the way up to the strategic proesexition of political opponents has been eye opening and honestly a much bigger “threat to democracy” than an unarmed jackass with a Viking hat.

Looking forward to this behavior being dealt with in November. The silent minority has become the silent majority. Folks are sick of Biden and left bullshit. When Bill Maher of all people seems to be siding with the right on most things lately younkmow
You have jumped the shark.
there will always be verification on most all loans thru an appraiser or otherwise, they are not going to blindly just give anyone the money, they certainly wouldn't be in business long if they did.

most all know this, they are just saying FF it and going after Trump whether it sticks or not. obvious to anyone that has half a brain they are just trying to tie him up from now until election time.......that is their strategy. they would have been better off if they would have left all of this alone.

concur, most are sick of this shat. hope the ones that been planning/conspiring this end up paying for it all.
 
The outcome was pre-determined in every one of these cases as you well know. You think he can get a fair trial in Manhattan or Fulton County Georgia? With far-left Soros prosecutors and far-left judges?Please
You think he can get a fair trial in Montana, Wyoming, Alaska?
 
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$450M for “inflating real estate values” as part of a loan underwriting process where lenders were satisfied with the business and want to do more isnt a reach? I am in the real estate business I can tell you something like this has never ever happened.

The selective enforcement of crimes ranging from illegal immigrants who then murder college coeds all the way up to the strategic proesexition of political opponents has been eye opening and honestly a much bigger “threat to democracy” than an unarmed jackass with a Viking hat.

Looking forward to this behavior being dealt with in November. The silent minority has become the silent majority. Folks are sick of Biden and left bullshit. When Bill Maher of all people seems to be siding with the right on most things lately younkmow
You have jumped the shark.
Yes. I'm expecting something like Reagan vs. Mondale come November. It's all but over.
 
In an honest state, the statute expired years ago. But in NY, they change the rules on a whim to suit the whim of the powerful.
If I had to bet, I'd bet hung jury in all three trials. People don't understand percentages.
 
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If I had to bet, I'd bet hung jury in all three trials. People don't understand percentages.
Biden didn't win Atlanta, nor NY by 100 percent. Percentages say they'll probably end up with anywhere from 1-3 Trump voters on the jury. And judging by here, I doubt they'd hear anything at all in any of those cases that would sway them. The Almighty could have the jury hide in the cleft of the rock like Moses as He testified against Trump. It would not change one thing.
 
In an honest state, the statute expired years ago. But in NY, they change the rules on a whim to suit the whim of the powerful.
They have all kind of issues, the porn star has said it happend (signed statement) then said it didn’t. Cohen supposedly lied, got convicted and now he is a witness.

A misdemeanor has been changed to a felony. Seems like they are changing the laws to fit whatever they are trying to do to Trump.

And then you have a democratic judge who’s daughter seems to be benefiting from all of this.

Thinks this is the weakest of all the crap they are throwing at him…..BWTFDIK.
 
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My understanding is him paying her/them off is not the alleged crime.

If I remember correctly, this case centers on him falsifying business records in the first degree...which...is a class E felony in new York state (probation or very little time in jail if convicted).

History shows that trump fudges the numbers on occasion so "common sense" says he did the same here to conceal the payment from his business.

Let's see it play out in court. Surprised they have half the jury selected already. Interesting bipartisan group based on description. Let the chips fall where they may...
From my understanding it is highly debatable whether or not a crime was committed, and even if so, a misdemeanor.

But for sake of argument, let's just say a felony crime was committed. The issue at hand here and with seemingly everything else is the selective enforcement by direct political opponents, seemingly in coordination with the White House. Every one of us I guarantee you if you really wanted to you could find crimes that technically through some super stretched interpretation of law were committed. The point is that Trump is being tried for political purposes. Period. That's a huge issue.

"Let it play out in court." Like the total bullshit $450M ruling from a judge? Or in this case a jury in the most liberal area of the country trying the most famous and hated man on earth? Facts do not matter. It is all political, and no matter what you think of Trump, this is a really terrible thing for our Country.

This is the kind of stuff that keeps people from investing in countries. In the private equity world, there are unbelievable investment opportunities in other countries that if looked at from a pure return perspective would be no brainers. But they are passed on by smart people because they know that government and political bullshit out of investor control could come into play and wipe them out. And I'm not talking about China. South America. Even certain "mild' European countries. Mexico. Pretty scary when we are demonstrating that political views can jeopardize your freedom and your money. In the United States.
 
What he says is true as far as it goes. This is a felony because it was a plot to hide something because it would influence a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
Like the "plot" to suppress information about Biden's family? Or Trump's ties to Russia? Give me a freaking break. We are talking about $130k to a mistress. A random Tuesday for the Clintons. The legal warfare here is obvious and a big deal.
 
there will always be verification on most all loans thru an appraiser or otherwise, they are not going to blindly just give anyone the money, they certainly wouldn't be in business long if they did.

most all know this, they are just saying FF it and going after Trump whether it sticks or not. obvious to anyone that has half a brain they are just trying to tie him up from now until election time.......that is their strategy. they would have been better off if they would have left all of this alone.

concur, most are sick of this shat. hope the ones that been planning/conspiring this end up paying for it all.
Furthermore, they were non-recourse loans - the collateral being the property itself, and the bank underwriters are in the business of assessing risk via valuation relative to loan balance. I am sure Trump org has a standard lender package that more often than not is there as a backstop for non-recourse carve-outs. Standard. All I know is that I trust Trump org and banks to assess the value of property a lot more than I do politically motivated judges and DA's who don't know how to spell real estate. It is so obvious what is going on here. $450M? NYC should literally face punitive damages for this bullshit.
 
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From my understanding it is highly debatable whether or not a crime was committed, and even if so, a misdemeanor.

But for sake of argument, let's just say a felony crime was committed. The issue at hand here and with seemingly everything else is the selective enforcement by direct political opponents, seemingly in coordination with the White House. Every one of us I guarantee you if you really wanted to you could find crimes that technically through some super stretched interpretation of law were committed. The point is that Trump is being tried for political purposes. Period. That's a huge issue.

"Let it play out in court." Like the total bullshit $450M ruling from a judge? Or in this case a jury in the most liberal area of the country trying the most famous and hated man on earth? Facts do not matter. It is all political, and no matter what you think of Trump, this is a really terrible thing for our Country.

This is the kind of stuff that keeps people from investing in countries. In the private equity world, there are unbelievable investment opportunities in other countries that if looked at from a pure return perspective would be no brainers. But they are passed on by smart people because they know that government and political bullshit out of investor control could come into play and wipe them out. And I'm not talking about China. South America. Even certain "mild' European countries. Mexico. Pretty scary when we are demonstrating that political views can jeopardize your freedom and your money. In the United States.
for the sake of argument, if a felony was committed, he should be tried for that.

Trump is no stranger to litigation pre-2016. He’s been tied up in litigation his entire career. Why would this be any different?

For the law and order crowd, it really is fun watching the pretzel, twistinfor the law and order crowd, it really is fun watching the pretzel twisting.

it also sounds like some of the jurors already selected are Fox News watchers, so the “liberal jury“ is in accurate.

I honestly don’t care if he’s found guilty or not. It’s just been really fun to watch him squirm for the last 48 hours. He’s so uncomfortable.
 
for the sake of argument, if a felony was committed, he should be tried for that.

Trump is no stranger to litigation pre-2016. He’s been tied up in litigation his entire career. Why would this be any different?

For the law and order crowd, it really is fun watching the pretzel, twistinfor the law and order crowd, it really is fun watching the pretzel twisting.

it also sounds like some of the jurors already selected are Fox News watchers, so the “liberal jury“ is in accurate.

I honestly don’t care if he’s found guilty or not. It’s just been really fun to watch him squirm for the last 48 hours. He’s so uncomfortable.
Civil litigation is a fact of life in business, especially real estate with zoning and permitting, partnerships, debt and equity players, etc. How is this different? These are criminal charges. I'm sure his organization has plenty of ongoing civil litigation you never hear about, because that doesn't have any impact on his political career.

By your "he should be tried for that" standard, every one of us if you looked hard enough could be tried for something. Trump's biggest crime is that he is running for President and has enemies at the highest levels of government, most notably in a position to use the law to try and disqualify him.

For the record, I don't think Trump is a good guy. I think he's an effective leader. But being an asshole shouldn't subject you to a totally different bar in terms of prosecution.
 
Civil litigation is a fact of life in business, especially real estate with zoning and permitting, partnerships, debt and equity players, etc. How is this different? These are criminal charges. I'm sure his organization has plenty of ongoing civil litigation you never hear about, because that doesn't have any impact on his political career.

By your "he should be tried for that" standard, every one of us if you looked hard enough could be tried for something. Trump's biggest crime is that he is running for President and has enemies at the highest levels of government, most notably in a position to use the law to try and disqualify him.

For the record, I don't think Trump is a good guy. I think he's an effective leader. But being an asshole shouldn't subject you to a totally different bar in terms of prosecution.
“Looking hard enough” is not the defense you think it is. If a felony was committed, regardless of how hard you have to look to find it, then he should be tried.
 
for the sake of argument, if a felony was committed, he should be tried for that.

Trump is no stranger to litigation pre-2016. He’s been tied up in litigation his entire career. Why would this be any different?

For the law and order crowd, it really is fun watching the pretzel, twistinfor the law and order crowd, it really is fun watching the pretzel twisting.

it also sounds like some of the jurors already selected are Fox News watchers, so the “liberal jury“ is in accurate.

I honestly don’t care if he’s found guilty or not. It’s just been really fun to watch him squirm for the last 48 hours. He’s so uncomfortable.
The crime isn’t the issue. If he is guilty of a felony, that would be a felony for anyone, so be it. No one has ever been upgraded like this. For a case like this. So many conflict of interests. The fact that they upgraded charges just for him makes it look like a witch hunt. I really hate defending the guy. If what happened here is true, and I believe it more likely to be true than not, it is a deplorable act to do while your wife is pregnant. But changing the rules to a felony because you dislike someone is not law and order. When you break it all down, that is the basics of what is happening. Same with letits James too. Never happened before. Makes it look made up simply because you dislike someone.
 
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The crime isn’t the issue. If he is guilty of a felony, that would be a felony for anyone, so be it. No one has ever been upgraded like this. For a case like this. So many conflict of interests. The fact that they upgraded charges just for him makes it look like a witch hunt. I really hate defending the guy. If what happened here is true, and I believe it more likely to be true then not, it is a deplorable act to do while your wife is pregnant. But changing the rules to a felony because you dislike someone is not law and order. When you break it all down, that is the basics of what is happening. Same with letits James too. Never happened before. Makes it look made up simply because you dislike someone.
Concur…..otherwise, the rule of law doesn’t mean shat about shat. What does that do to your country.
 
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“Looking hard enough” is not the defense you think it is. If a felony was committed, regardless of how hard you have to look to find it, then he should be tried.
Then put 200 million Americans in jail. Everyone who has committed a felony, even if there is zero precedence to prosecuting it, should be prosecuted.
 
The crime isn’t the issue. If he is guilty of a felony, that would be a felony for anyone, so be it. No one has ever been upgraded like this. For a case like this. So many conflict of interests. The fact that they upgraded charges just for him makes it look like a witch hunt. I really hate defending the guy. If what happened here is true, and I believe it more likely to be true than not, it is a deplorable act to do while your wife is pregnant. But changing the rules to a felony because you dislike someone is not law and order. When you break it all down, that is the basics of what is happening. Same with letits James too. Never happened before. Makes it look made up simply because you dislike someone.
honest question: do you think he’s being charged because he paid a porn star? is that why you think he’s there?
 
What he says is true as far as it goes. This is a felony because it was a plot to hide something because it would influence a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

This & a lot more stated in this thread is simply incorrect or based on false assumptions.

Summary of Andy McCarthy:

1. Trump is facing a state criminal trial for violating federal election laws that Alvin Bragg has no jurisdiction to enforce.

2. NDAs are perfectly legal & Trump used his $ (not campaign $)

3. Cohen’s payment to Clifford did not transform into an “illegal” campaign expenditure just because Cohen said it did...the Justice Department itself (whose actual job it is to charge those things) opted not to prosecute Trump.

4. Both the Obama & Hillary campaigns were charged with illegal campaign expenditures...and simply paid fines (Obama's the largest ever...Hillary for her $ part in the paid-for fake Dossier). Both to "influence a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION"

5. Even if the payment of hush money had been a campaign expenditure under federal law, Trump would have been required to disclose it , but Cohen paid Clifford in October 2016, the next reporting period would have been after the election: i.e. Trump would have had no legal obligation “during the 2016 presidential election” to reveal the payments to Clifford charged in Bragg’s indictment.

6. To be clear: the Department of Justice (under Trump and Biden) and the Federal Election Commission investigated the 2016 hush-money payments but took no enforcement action against Trump. Why? Because (a) the payment was not technically a campaign expenditure, (b) federal spending restrictions did not apply to Trump, and (c) even assuming that Trump had a disclosure obligation, the lack of regulatory disclosure cannot possibly have influenced the outcome of the 2016 election since no disclosure would have been required prior to the election.

7. The federal authorities that have jurisdiction to enforce federal election law more often than not treat violations far more egregious than Trump’s with civil fines, not criminal prosecution. President Obama’s 2008 campaign, for example, concealed millions of dollars in improper contributions and delayed in making refunds; the FEC imposed a $375,000 fine — note that even the fine (to say nothing of the violations) was larger than the violations for which Bragg is trying to prosecute Trump.

8. Although Bragg has previously prosecuted the Trump organization for tax violations, he does not allege that the state was deprived of tax revenue or otherwise cheated by the way the NDA payments were recorded. To the contrary, in reimbursing Cohen, Trump and other company executives doubled the $130,000 NDA payment to $260,000 precisely because it was expected that Cohen would pay income tax on it. That is, the manner in which the reimbursement was booked made it a taxable event for Cohen; the payment was thus inflated to ensure that Cohen would be fully reimbursed after paying taxes. (Payments in satisfaction of a debt are not income and not taxable as such; legal fees, by contrast, are taxable income.)

9. In terms of falsifying business records, yes, the expenditure was for one purpose, but Trump booked it as if it had been for a different purpose. However: That still may not be enough to establish the New York crime of falsifying business records. The relevant penal statute, §175.05, requires the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt not just that the record entry was false, but that the defendant acted “with intent to defraud.” Generally speaking, fraud is a financial crime, involving schemes to acquire money or property by false pretenses. There is no indication that Trump intended to trick anyone into parting with assets.

10. Under New York law, deceptive schemes to cause other types of harm can also qualify as fraud. Nonetheless, there must be some concrete harm to establish fraud. It does not appear that New York state or anyone else was harmed by Trump’s misdescription of a loan repayment as the payment of legal fees. However, I assume Trump would argue that, because Cohen was his lawyer and the formal NDA with Clifford was a legal contract, describing the payments to Cohen as legal fees was not wholly fictional, much less actionably fraudulent. Again, the amount Trump paid Cohen significantly exceeded the $130,000 loan amount, and Trump would muddy the water by insisting he understood he was paying Cohen for legal services.

11. Did Trump have fraudulent intent for purposes of §175.05? It would be an interesting question if Bragg had brought an actual falsification-of-business-records prosecution. But he didn’t, and couldn’t. That crime is a misdemeanor. New York’s categorization of it as such makes sense: It is a nonviolent, not particularly serious offense — one that prosecutors should not even think about charging in the absence of concrete harm (and, of course, in the absence of being able to demonstrate that they enforce the law even-handedly against similarly situated business people). More to the point, because falsification of records is not a grievous crime, the statute of limitations for charging such an offense is just two years. Since Bragg alleges that Trump’s recordkeeping on the transaction concluded in December 2017, any charge should have been brought by late 2019 — two years before Bragg was elected DA (but around the time that federal prosecutors and Bragg’s predecessor concluded that there was nothing worth prosecuting).

Bragg, however, has not brought a falsification-of-business-records case, despite what his indictment says. He is attempting to prosecute a federal campaign-finance case.

12. Motive is not enough if the expenditures in question are not technically campaign expenditures — bills necessary to the conduct of the campaign, not non-campaign bills that the campaign has incentive to pay.

13. It will be very difficult for Bragg to show an intent to defraud — his theory that New York (indeed, the known universe) was harmed because Trump won in 2016 is not the concrete, particularized harm that is an essential ingredient of fraud crimes. But that aside, remember that the “other crime” Bragg maintains Trump was trying to conceal was a federal campaign crime — one that the feds themselves did not believe Trump committed, and that Bragg is politically engineering into a new election law that he is somehow allowed to prosecute.
 
honest question: do you think he’s being charged because he paid a porn star? is that why you think he’s there?
I think we know why he is there. This happened years ago. When he was a Democrat. He faced no criminal charges on anything back in the day. I know it isn’t just for sleeping with a porn star. I get what the charges are.

He is there for one reason. A felony conviction gets him off the ballot. The da promised in his campaign to get Trump for something. Do you believe this is all on the up and up? Including a judge on the trial who gives heavily to Biden. Or him having a daughter who profits heavily off Biden’s success. Millions of dollars in fact. If the shoe was on the other foot, would you bend over and be ok with it. Please answer honestly
 
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This & a lot more stated in this thread is simply incorrect or based on false assumptions.

Summary of Andy McCarthy:

1. Trump is facing a state criminal trial for violating federal election laws that Alvin Bragg has no jurisdiction to enforce.

2. NDAs are perfectly legal & Trump used his $ (not campaign $)

3. Cohen’s payment to Clifford did not transform into an “illegal” campaign expenditure just because Cohen said it did...the Justice Department itself (whose actual job it is to charge those things) opted not to prosecute Trump.

4. Both the Obama & Hillary campaigns were charged with illegal campaign expenditures...and simply paid fines (Obama's the largest ever...Hillary for her $ part in the paid-for fake Dossier). Both to "influence a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION"

5. Even if the payment of hush money had been a campaign expenditure under federal law, Trump would have been required to disclose it , but Cohen paid Clifford in October 2016, the next reporting period would have been after the election: i.e. Trump would have had no legal obligation “during the 2016 presidential election” to reveal the payments to Clifford charged in Bragg’s indictment.

6. To be clear: the Department of Justice (under Trump and Biden) and the Federal Election Commission investigated the 2016 hush-money payments but took no enforcement action against Trump. Why? Because (a) the payment was not technically a campaign expenditure, (b) federal spending restrictions did not apply to Trump, and (c) even assuming that Trump had a disclosure obligation, the lack of regulatory disclosure cannot possibly have influenced the outcome of the 2016 election since no disclosure would have been required prior to the election.

7. The federal authorities that have jurisdiction to enforce federal election law more often than not treat violations far more egregious than Trump’s with civil fines, not criminal prosecution. President Obama’s 2008 campaign, for example, concealed millions of dollars in improper contributions and delayed in making refunds; the FEC imposed a $375,000 fine — note that even the fine (to say nothing of the violations) was larger than the violations for which Bragg is trying to prosecute Trump.

8. Although Bragg has previously prosecuted the Trump organization for tax violations, he does not allege that the state was deprived of tax revenue or otherwise cheated by the way the NDA payments were recorded. To the contrary, in reimbursing Cohen, Trump and other company executives doubled the $130,000 NDA payment to $260,000 precisely because it was expected that Cohen would pay income tax on it. That is, the manner in which the reimbursement was booked made it a taxable event for Cohen; the payment was thus inflated to ensure that Cohen would be fully reimbursed after paying taxes. (Payments in satisfaction of a debt are not income and not taxable as such; legal fees, by contrast, are taxable income.)

9. In terms of falsifying business records, yes, the expenditure was for one purpose, but Trump booked it as if it had been for a different purpose. However: That still may not be enough to establish the New York crime of falsifying business records. The relevant penal statute, §175.05, requires the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt not just that the record entry was false, but that the defendant acted “with intent to defraud.” Generally speaking, fraud is a financial crime, involving schemes to acquire money or property by false pretenses. There is no indication that Trump intended to trick anyone into parting with assets.

10. Under New York law, deceptive schemes to cause other types of harm can also qualify as fraud. Nonetheless, there must be some concrete harm to establish fraud. It does not appear that New York state or anyone else was harmed by Trump’s misdescription of a loan repayment as the payment of legal fees. However, I assume Trump would argue that, because Cohen was his lawyer and the formal NDA with Clifford was a legal contract, describing the payments to Cohen as legal fees was not wholly fictional, much less actionably fraudulent. Again, the amount Trump paid Cohen significantly exceeded the $130,000 loan amount, and Trump would muddy the water by insisting he understood he was paying Cohen for legal services.

11. Did Trump have fraudulent intent for purposes of §175.05? It would be an interesting question if Bragg had brought an actual falsification-of-business-records prosecution. But he didn’t, and couldn’t. That crime is a misdemeanor. New York’s categorization of it as such makes sense: It is a nonviolent, not particularly serious offense — one that prosecutors should not even think about charging in the absence of concrete harm (and, of course, in the absence of being able to demonstrate that they enforce the law even-handedly against similarly situated business people). More to the point, because falsification of records is not a grievous crime, the statute of limitations for charging such an offense is just two years. Since Bragg alleges that Trump’s recordkeeping on the transaction concluded in December 2017, any charge should have been brought by late 2019 — two years before Bragg was elected DA (but around the time that federal prosecutors and Bragg’s predecessor concluded that there was nothing worth prosecuting).

Bragg, however, has not brought a falsification-of-business-records case, despite what his indictment says. He is attempting to prosecute a federal campaign-finance case.

12. Motive is not enough if the expenditures in question are not technically campaign expenditures — bills necessary to the conduct of the campaign, not non-campaign bills that the campaign has incentive to pay.

13. It will be very difficult for Bragg to show an intent to defraud — his theory that New York (indeed, the known universe) was harmed because Trump won in 2016 is not the concrete, particularized harm that is an essential ingredient of fraud crimes. But that aside, remember that the “other crime” Bragg maintains Trump was trying to conceal was a federal campaign crime — one that the feds themselves did not believe Trump committed, and that Bragg is politically engineering into a new election law that he is somehow allowed to prosecute.
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