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Bench, I hope you play them bass tomorry like we played this kid tonight.
We want a full report of your day right cheer.
you should read up on renewable costs as they have changed dramatically this decade. Utility scale solar and onshore wind are now cost competitive with (or better than) fossil fuel generation, especially for new generation. There’s a detailed report linked with a lot of good info.
the cost of storage continues to decline rapidly as technology improves - the hope is we can have the same decreases in cost of storage as we had for generation to make renewables more viable as a larger part of the grid given their current problem of being intermittent resources
and the useful life of renewables continues to increase as well. The problem has actually been more with new technology being that much better that it’s often a wise economic decision to replace the turbine with the latest rather than maintain the older generation one.
Levelized Cost of Energy and Levelized Cost of Storage 2019
Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage shows that as the cost of renewable energy continues to decline.www.lazard.com
But what to do with cow farts
Ironically Lin wood is a Democrat. It makes sense. Or it doesn’t. Smh
if you take out hydroelectric which has been around for years, then your costs for renewables becomes much more expensive than fossil fuels in addition to the costs of even more job loss during a forced conversion to a product that isn't ready for the market.
So get rid of your car, start walking, quit using your heat and ac, set an example.
lol this is such a dumb take (along with basically every other single response in here). It’s incredibly stupid to use strawman arguments like this to discredit the idea of moving to renewable energy. All that I’ve seen so far ITT is a constant attempt to move the goal posts or say something like “pay your taxes” for message board points because they don’t want to face reality and have nothing intelligent to contribute.
We’re not telling you to turn off your A/C (although some are, and hopefully we’ll someday come up with an environmentally friendly way of approaching that issue as well), but the facts are the facts; fossil fuels are absolutely terrible for the environment, they are a large contributor to climate change, and renewable energy is getting cheaper and more effective all the time. That’s not to say that the various technologies that make up renewable energy are perfect—there is plenty to be improved. But you’re living in your own reality if you think that sticking with fossil fuels is the answer.
I don't think you are getting it. If you are a proponent of any plan for or investment in a move to more environmentally friendly energy resources at any time in the future then you are demanding an immediate return to pre-industrial living conditions. It's either/or, because we all know nuance and a middle path is not part of the current conservative toolbox.
Yep, it’s amazing / incredibly sad how they have lost all ability to have an honest discussion on these issues.
Prove they contribute to climate change, and don't spout off that 97% of scientists bull. You do know that not one thing predicted on the first Earth Day has come to fruition. As well as none of Al Gore's predictions and I'm still waiting on Florida being under water. Do you really believe we can use carbon emissions as a thermostat for the world? The climate has been changing for thousands of years, thank God we're no longer in the Ice age, I don't like being that cold.
I do believe we should always explore new technologies and new energy sources, But wind and solar will never be able to be our primary source. Nuclear, at this point is the only real viable option.
When you installing your windmill, got an all electric car. I'm not against renewable energy as long as it is effective, reasonable cost and phased in gradually. that is not the way socialist want, it don't work in cali with higher costs and people having to shut down power at homes periodically(dumb), how we gonna power ships and planes...it is a massive undertaking.
That's right folks, we're going to run this country on wind farms. As tall as your soap box is and how much more enlightened you are than everyone else, this is what you bring?
The global warming Brownshirts want the same response that the virologist Brownshirts got: shut it down. This is how they become equal. Broke, starving and shoeless, but equal. Climate Brownshirts don't understand why they can't destroy the world economy and make Greta Thunberg World Chancellor. The fake virus experts want Dr Fauci.
Yeah, you're gonna have to explain it. We have years and years and years of supply. Ive been in the oil business for 40 years. It aint running out.
Just give us a reasonable response of how we're going to power the country on solar and wind. Solar can't run without sun and wind can't run without wind. Neither of which are reliable. There is not enough land space to produce the needed electricity from those two options and you have given us nothing new. So you can LOL all you want, but you have no viable plan other than we need to do it because we like it better, its cool.
I genuinely don’t understand why I post sources because you guys don’t ever read them
there’s literally a link showing new renewable generation is in line with maintaining existing coal fired generation on cost and well ahead for new generation. Hit me up if you can’t find it in this thread. Thx.
My wife and I daily drive our Model S’s. No gas bill is the ah!t. Also, we love our solar panels. The energy savings and gas savings have been awesome. Not to mention we love our cars. Don’t think we will ever use anything other that electric for daily driving again.
Look I appreciate your efforts. But cost of ineffective energy (by that I mean unreliable and unusable in many regions) can't be compared to energy that once on line can be used 24/7 with few interruptions. Why would I want to power a city with energy that can't be sustained over long periods and the footprint per MWH is massive. Its like buying a car I can only use 15 hrs a day. I have no problem with solar as a supplemental energy source. But as a primary source, forget it.
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Nothing has to be all one way or the other. If there are people like myself who don’t mind reducing the carbon footprint, then what’s the issue. My soon drives a hellcat and I love driving that car. Can’t we have both. That 8 miles to the gallon average he gets is quickly becoming a regret.
Sorry, Game Dawg I was replying to VHDawg's post about energy costs. Not commenting on electric cars which are are probably going to eventually be the norm.
Oh look, it's rainy. I guess I'll go to the dentist that has a foot-powered drill
Maybe it’s because you make stuff up. Like saying Canada, Sweden and Norway are shining examples of socialist countries, when in fact all three are market economies, although Norway is mixed. Just because they have crappy health care and allow their people to screw anything with a heartbeat and declare their gender as “other” does not make them socialist.
Timely article from Bloomberg. It is a long read but suggests changing habits and the economic impact of covid may result in 2019 being the peak oil top.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
www.bloomberg.com
but the far right wants to hang on to coal so that we can be the last major country leaning on it while we surrender to other nations the technological expertise which will drive the worlds economic engines for the next few hundred years.
Its baffling. And no different than sitting back and punting on participating in the equivalent of the industrial revolution.
Liberals can't face reality. And the reality is fossil fuels will continue to power the world and there is zero chance they're going away in ten, fifteen or twenty years. China knows that's why they're investing in coal plants. The "far right" is hanging on to real facts. And the facts are solar and wind are nothing but pipe-dreams at this point. There are hundreds of years of oil in reserve that can supply the world's energy. I'm not against alternative sources, but why try and push a source that can never do the job. We have time to explore new technologies, why the hurry? I'll tell you the real reason. MONEY. And its lining the pockets of the swamp. And you're going to be giving you're money to them so you can feel good. Well, it won't make me feel good to go back to $5 gas and higher electric bills. So, yeah count me in on hanging on to fossil fuels, they work and there are no rolling blackouts in Georgia.
China Is Still Building an Insane Number of New Coal Plants
While the rest of the world turns away from the fossil fuel, China is investing big in coal-powered electricity.
Energy
What energy sources does the world rely on? What is this energy used for? And how does it change over time?
ourworldindata.org
do you believe China? Theyll burning coal for the next 200 years
Maybe. We seem pretty far left socially now and headed further in that direction. Regarding the economic system, I only hope you folks realize socialism is unsustainable before it's too late. It's in your hands due to changing demographics and nefarious plans like altering SCOTUS, legalizing millions of illiterates, giving statehood to an island which offers us nothing but more welfare, and giving statehood to a city for no reason other than congressional seats.
I'm more worried about debt load than a misguided lurch to the left. Pandemic deficit spending has added tremendously to the national debt. I think just interest on debt is over 10% of total federal outlays and that does not include the cost of retiring debt. We are issuing debt to satisfy debt, which sounds ponzi to me.
Throw in the drunk sailors about to take over the government and you have a prescription for economic disaster which the Fed has few tools to fight.
Socialism is for the people, not for the socialists.
“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” Margaret Thatcher
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Get back with me when when they figure out how to replace the the other 92% of the energy we use with wind farms and solar panels.
Saw this thread come up, and thought the game changing announcement was about to occur.
How disappointing.
How disappointing.
