Am I the only one

[Pine_Tree1]

Who thinks sending Americas special operators after the cartels is doomed to fail gloriously & be a monumental mistake for many reasons?

I think it'll be the biggest mistake of Trump's life if he goes through with it. I don't know the answer or if there's an answer to the drugs coming into this nation but this will not be the answer

 

[Athens is Heaven]

Who thinks sending SF after the cartels is doomed to fail gloriously & be a monumental mistake for many reasons?

I think it'll be the biggest mistake of Trump's life if he goes through with it. I don't know the answer or if there's an answer to the drugs coming into this nation but this will not be the answer

Why?

 

[RedcoatOf94]

SF? Space Force?

 

[Pine_Tree1]

Why?

Too long, didn't read: little realistic upside & a whole lot of realistic consequences


These cartels are not amateurs; they’re highly organized, extremely well-funded killers with advanced weaponry like SAMs and Javelins. While Delta Force is superior, significant U.S. casualties are likely.

Without Mexico’s full cooperation—unlikely due to corruption—any operation would be seen as an invasion, with all the fallout that entails. History shows killing cartel leaders only leads to more violent replacements and creates more enemies.

Cartels have operatives in U.S. cities and forests. Retaliation on American soil—wildfires, school shootings, bombings—is almost certain, and the public won’t tolerate it. Every attack will be tied back to U.S. actions.

Labeling cartels as terrorist groups risks provoking them into open acts of terror here. Without Mexico’s support, this fight could spiral out of control with no clear victory.

 

[The Original SLC Dawg]

I think there’s a difference between religious cartels and for-pay cartels. There’s no 40 virgins when the for-pay die. Hit them hard enough initially and they’ll collapse.

 

[maugwa]

We'll bomb the piss out of them and then send in the Tier One units.

This won't be hard.

 

[JackRussellDawg]

It will make for some good shootem up blowem up movies.

 

[stray]

Too long, didn't read: little realistic upside & a whole lot of realistic consequences

We aren't t dealing with goat herders & cave dwellers here. These are cold blooded lifelong killers with much much better weaponry & funding. Delta Force will still out match them but they have SAMs & javelins & a lot of operators will get killed just in the combat.

They have so much protection from corrupt leadership across Mexico that the US will never get a fair shot at them on equal playing ground.

If Mexico does not allow the US into the nation to conduct these raids, we are essentially invading a sovereign nation. Those always end well for us. Are we planning on "nation building afterwards" again?

We've learned from decades of cutting the heads off high level snakes, each head is replaced by another, often worse & more violent or cunning snake. You create two terrorist for every one you kill.

Think of how many operatives these cartels have living in cities & national Forests of America. I can see a "you kill x boss, we will shoot up a school or set off a bomb in a mall" . Each of the cartel attacks in the US will be pointed right back to Trump, each time. The cartels will openly state it, proudly why they are doing it. So many opportunities for these cartel sleeper cells & associates to just start committing acts of terror & kidnappings until the SF are ordered to stand down. Americans do not have the stomach for homeland terrorism especially if the driving force behind them is our president ordered targeting of their cartel members.

Can you imagine the damage a few cartel growers already operating in our national Forest can do with a few hand lit wildfires on a windy day. Imagine, dozens & dozens of these growers getting that order all at once. We'd have zero ability to combat those fires or catch all of the arsonists.

The cartel leaders won't just take getting whacked in the dark by Delta Force quietly. Almost zero chance retaliation is not taken on the American people. & While we will kill a lot of cartel leaders, the cartels will still be present. You can't kill them (even if it's even possible) all without extreme support from Mexico which ain't happening

If you want to label the cartels as a terror group, wait till they start committing overt acts of terror on American soil

One word....Drones. You hit the leaders hard and most of their gang members will scatter like roaches. Boots on the ground would be very limited, if needed at all.

 

[The Original SLC Dawg]

It will make for some good shootem up blowem up movies.

Stephen Seagal in “Bombs over Puerto Vallarta”

 

[stray]

Stephen Seagal in “Bombs over Puerto Vallarta”

 

[Pine_Tree1]

I think there’s a difference between religious cartels and for-pay cartels. There’s no 40 virgins when the for-pay die. Hit them hard enough initially and they’ll collapse.

That's what we hope would happen but few military endeavors since WW2 work out like we hoped they would

 

[agentorange70]

Mexican Cartels make money on human smuggling and drug smuggling,....they do it from a point of monetary gain and not philosophical or religious gain,....when it becomes more costly and less fruitful by walls being built and military force,...it harms the spiritual core of cartels making money,...the Mexican Cartels have to invest more to protect themselves and less profit is available,... the Boomtown Biden Border fortune days are over

 

[DTwnDawg]

I think there’s a difference between religious cartels and for-pay cartels. There’s no 40 virgins when the for-pay die. Hit them hard enough initially and they’ll collapse.

Do cartels have an Air Force? You blow the hell out of their leaders homes, and their sites where they keep their weaponry for starters ….all done through the air except for the scouting …things will change really quickly

 

[KidneyStoned]

Who thinks sending Americas special operators after the cartels is doomed to fail gloriously & be a monumental mistake for many reasons?

I think it'll be the biggest mistake of Trump's life if he goes through with it. I don't know the answer or if there's an answer to the drugs coming into this nation but this will not be the answer

Don’t get yourself all worked up. It will never happen. Would require a declaration of war against Mexico or the consent of Mexican government to conduct a military operation.

It’s just shit talking nonsense.

 

[RedcoatOf94]

Don’t get yourself all worked up. It will never happen. Would require a declaration of war against Mexico or the consent of Mexican government to conduct a military operation.

It’s just shit talking nonsense.

Couldn't a well placed sniper or two do the job? We don't have to make this thing big and messy when we got folks who can shoot, scoot, and disappear.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

Too long, didn't read: little realistic upside & a whole lot of realistic consequences

We aren't t dealing with goat herders & cave dwellers here. These are cold blooded lifelong killers with much much better weaponry & funding. Delta Force will still out match them but they have SAMs & javelins & a lot of operators will get killed just in the combat.

They have so much protection from corrupt leadership across Mexico that the US will never get a fair shot at them on equal playing ground.

If Mexico does not allow the US into the nation to conduct these raids, we are essentially invading a sovereign nation. Those always end well for us. Are we planning on "nation building afterwards" again?

We've learned from decades of cutting the heads off high level snakes, each head is replaced by another, often worse & more violent or cunning snake. You create two terrorist for every one you kill.

Think of how many operatives these cartels have living in cities & national Forests of America. I can see a "you kill x boss, we will shoot up a school or set off a bomb in a mall" . Each of the cartel attacks in the US will be pointed right back to Trump, each time. The cartels will openly state it, proudly why they are doing it. So many opportunities for these cartel sleeper cells & associates to just start committing acts of terror & kidnappings until the SF are ordered to stand down. Americans do not have the stomach for homeland terrorism especially if the driving force behind them is our president ordered targeting of their cartel members.

Can you imagine the damage a few cartel growers already operating in our national Forest can do with a few hand lit wildfires on a windy day. Imagine, dozens & dozens of these growers getting that order all at once. We'd have zero ability to combat those fires or catch all of the arsonists.

The cartel leaders won't just take getting whacked in the dark by Delta Force quietly. Almost zero chance retaliation is not taken on the American people. & While we will kill a lot of cartel leaders, the cartels will still be present. You can't kill them (even if it's even possible) all without extreme support from Mexico which ain't happening

If you want to label the cartels as a terror group, wait till they start committing overt acts of terror on American soil

And you want these pos to hold this whole country hostage by their covert activities. You are a lib that wants us to bow down to the cartels. Man what are you thinking! Do you have interest in their activities?

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

The cartels are certainly enemies of the United States. They are also barbaric bullies that rule their territory with fear and violence and as such, we can not assign civilized behavior as part of the equation in dealing with the cartels. There is only one way to address the cartels and that is to deal with them on their terms and that means confronting them with more power than they can endure.

If the U.S. ever decided to commit to crushing the cartels, the cartels would be crushed quickly. They would not be able to stand up to the technology, tactics and manpower that could be deployed to find them and kill them before they knew what was coming.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

And you want these pos to hold this whole country hostage by their covert activities. You are a lib that wants us to bow down to the cartels. Man what are you thinking! Do you have interest in their activities?

You just label anyone who criticizes Trump a lib, huh? I voted for him twice including 2 months ago.

But I think he's grossly underestimating the situation

 

[Pine_Tree1]

If the U.S. ever decided to commit to crushing the cartels, the cartels would be crushed quickly. They would not be able to stand up to the technology, tactics and manpower that could be deployed to find them and kill them before they knew what was coming.

Just like the Taliban & Al Qaeda? 20 years later, dead as a doornail.

 

[KidneyStoned]

Couldn't a well placed sniper or two do the job? We don't have to make this thing big and messy when we got folks who can shoot, scoot, and disappear.

That only happens in books. Not criticizing it but it seems unlikely in real life.

 

[bayrooster]

It's crazy how much Seagal looks like that today.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

The cartels are certainly enemies of the United States. They are also barbaric bullies that rule their territory with fear and violence and as such, we can not assign civilized behavior as part of the equation in dealing with the cartels. There is only one way to address the cartels and that is to deal with them on their terms and that means confronting them with more power than they can endure.

If the U.S. ever decided to commit to crushing the cartels, the cartels would be crushed quickly. They would not be able to stand up to the technology, tactics and manpower that could be deployed to find them and kill them before they knew what was coming.

And we have the marines on the ground at the border now! Don’t mess with them.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Just like the Taliban & Al Qaeda? 20 years later, dead as a doornail.

Don't think we'd have to occupy and rule Central America to keep a stranglehold on the Cartels. We can surveil them with our troops sitting on our side of the border and strike them with drones whenever they peak from under their rocks. Completely different orgs with different motivations and completely different field of ops. And yes, we crippled Al Qaeda and the Taliban quickly. We just weren't committed to maintaining the choke hold because it made no sense to fight for the region a half a world away.

 

[DieselDawg44]

Instead of investing in foreign wars (Israel/Ukraine) we should be using the full weight of our government and military to destroy the cartels who have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans by pushing narcotics into our country. This also destroys the society in our country by getting many addicted to drugs destroying families and communities.
On top of that they funnel illegal immigrants into our country.

They share a border with us and are of a higher importance than Muslim extremist.

 

[woofn]

Who thinks sending Americas special operators after the cartels is doomed to fail gloriously & be a monumental mistake for many reasons?

I think it'll be the biggest mistake of Trump's life if he goes through with it. I don't know the answer or if there's an answer to the drugs coming into this nation but this will not be the answer

Should have ended the cartels decades ago, it no doubt will be tougher now (the corruption from inside America is so much), but it can be done…just gotta be more brutal than the cartels and have the balls to get er done. Doing nothing is much worse…

 

[The Original SLC Dawg]

Couldn't a well placed sniper or two do the job? We don't have to make this thing big and messy when we got folks who can shoot, scoot, and disappear.

I get all that, but we are vulnerable to the same thing. When thar CBP officer was shot in Vermont, I immediately thought it was somebody going after Trump, and seeing that they had tactical gear, vests, night vision, guns - coming from Canada, they might have been.

 

[stray]

Instead of investing in foreign wars (Israel/Ukraine) we should be using the full weight of our government and military to destroy the cartels who have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans by pushing narcotics into our country. This also destroys the society in our country by getting many addicted to drugs destroying families and communities.
On top of that they funnel illegal immigrants into our country.

They share a border with us and are of a higher importance than Muslim extremist.

Not sure it’s a higher importance because we don’t know how many the cartels have helped get into the US.
Shut down the cartels and we would have less to worry about with the terrorists.

 

[TivoliDawg]

Who thinks sending Americas special operators after the cartels is doomed to fail gloriously & be a monumental mistake for many reasons?

I think it'll be the biggest mistake of Trump's life if he goes through with it. I don't know the answer or if there's an answer to the drugs coming into this nation but this will not be the answer

We will win every single military engagement on paper.

And when it’s all said and done… we will have lost many American soldiers’ lives, spent millions, ruined our relationship with our bordering neighbor… and the drugs will still be there.

Trump said “no new wars”, if he starts this, that’s about as true as the wall he’s going to build. Lol

 

[TivoliDawg]

We'll bomb the piss out of them and then send in the Tier One units.

This won't be hard.

And when Mexico gets mad about that, and allows the Chinese military to put missiles at the border, just a few hundred miles from Dallas, will that have been worth it?

Because the drugs will def still be in this country.

This is could go so bad for the USA.

For the record, this is why we need somebody qualified to lead the department of defense, not Pete, and also precisely why Donald Trump nominated him and not somebody who’s actually qualified. He intentionally nominated wholly unqualified people so that they have no spine to object to his desires.

The fact that this is even being talked about is borderline crazy.

Economic sanctions if the drug flow doesn’t slow down? Sure. That sounds like a reasonable solution. Invading another country and starting a war on their soil when they can immediately turn around and buddy up with one of our arch enemies? Foolish and dangerous.

 

[TivoliDawg]

You just label anyone who criticizes Trump a lib, huh? I voted for him twice including 2 months ago.

But I think he's grossly underestimating the situation

Well, anyone who questions a stupid idea is “a lib”, especially if the idea came from Trump or started on Twitter. Those ideas are religious and can never been questioned. It’s orthodoxy.

 

[Georgia Knight]

A Mexican Bukele would be far better than military action.

My hope is that a Rubio-led state department will push foreign policy with a greater focus on a neo-Monroe Doctrine at the expense of our focus in Europe and the Middle East.

Not a fan of color revolutions, but they are part of the Foggy Bottom playbook they should be used to promote rightwing governments in our hemisphere over commies.

 

[3 Pete]

Mexican president Claudia Sheinbaum would be the biggest winner. Degrade the cartels and governing Mexico becomes possible. She needs Trump and the US military.

 

[stray]

Just like the Taliban & Al Qaeda? 20 years later, dead as a doornail.

There will always be evil, you can’t eliminate it all. You do as much as you and minimize it.

That being said, you are comparing violence motivated by religious zealotry and another motivated by money. It’s much easier to decimate the money motive and elevate their survival motives. Especially when the others have been convinced they will be rewarded once they die and have very little motivation to remain alive.

 

[Georgia Knight]

Mexican president Claudia Sheinbaum would be the biggest winner. Degrade the cartels and governing Mexico becomes possible. She needs Trump and the US military.

You're right in theory, but I don't think Sheinbaum's primary objective is good governance. She is an heir to AMLO who himself benefitted from the cartels.

They are effectively a special interest group aligned with her.

 

[superdawg51]

Don’t get yourself all worked up. It will never happen. Would require a declaration of war against Mexico or the consent of Mexican government to conduct a military operation.

It’s just shit talking nonsense.

Trump's annexing Canada, Greenland and Panama............might as well take Mexico too.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

Mexican president Claudia Sheinbaum would be the biggest winner. Degrade the cartels and governing Mexico becomes possible. She needs Trump and the US military.

Wasn't she propped up by the cartels & not assassinated while a record number of political opponents for her position were assassinated in the past 2 years. Seems like the cartels chose her to lead the nation

 

[Pine_Tree1]

Trump's annexing Canada, Greenland and Panama............might as well take Mexico too.

We never should've relinquished the Panama canal. I'm good with Trump reclaiming that one. The rest, naw not interested

 

[superdawg51]

We never should've relinquished the Panama canal. I'm good with Trump reclaiming that one. The rest, naw not interested

Yeah..........I was being sarcastic.

 

[ugaboz]

and thats on your top worry list ?
this place gets weirder by the day with the Trump hate lol

 

[Athens is Heaven]

You just label anyone who criticizes holy Trump a lib, huh? I voted for him twice including 2 months ago.

But I think he's grossly underestimating the situation

He may be but just give him time to see what happens !

You just label anyone who criticizes Trump a lib, huh? I voted for him twice including 2 months ago.

But I think he's grossly underestimating the situation

We will win every single military engagement on paper.

And when it’s all said and done… we will have lost many American soldiers’ lives, spent millions, ruined our relationship with our bordering neighbor… and the drugs will still be there.

Trump said “no new wars”, if he starts this, that’s about as true as the wall he’s going to build. Lol

I don’t think Trump is going to start any shit but he’s not going to take any either. What do you people want, just let the cartels do what they want on the border?