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Another conspiracy debunked. NYT article confirms 12 secret bases in Ukraine for the last 10 years.

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1. NYT is paywalled. I wouldn't read their news even if it was free.
Did you even read the article, or do you just reflexively deny anything that conflicts with your point of view?

Nevertheless, here is the link.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

2. It proves the US and intelligence agencies were building up for a conflict since 2014, right after "they" executed regime change. It also proves the contention that this provocation is all our fault and not Putler. It also confirms that Putin's claims that the US/NATO has been behind the Ukraine operation from the beginning.

The question I have is why now do the powers that be want this to be known? To pressure the House to pass the 100B bill? To push Putin into a response?
 
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WyoDawg307 said:
1. NYT is paywalled. I wouldn't read their news even if it was free.
Did you even read the article, or do you just reflexively deny anything that conflicts with your point of view?

Nevertheless, here is the link.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

2. It proves the US and intelligence agencies were building up for a conflict since 2014, right after "they" executed regime change. It also proves the contention that this provocation is all our fault and not Putler. It also confirms that Putin's claims that the US/NATO has been behind the Ukraine operation from the beginning.

The question I have is why now do the powers that be want this to be known? To pressure the House to pass the 100B bill? To push Putin into a response?
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So I read the article and it reads that the US operation in Ukraine started 10 years ago in response to the Russian invasion of Crimea...why is that bad again?

Article also states this program helped the US confirm that Russia downed the Malaysian airlines flight in 2014.
 
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WyoDawg307 said:
It proves the US and intelligence agencies were building up for a conflict since 2014, right after "they" executed regime change.
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No it proves the US was responding to Russian aggression post their annexation of Crimea.

And the regime change was executed by the Ukrainian people because their prez at the time went back on his pledge to move close to the EU and instead wanted to build closer ties to Russia.
 
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WyoDawg307 said:
1. NYT is paywalled. I wouldn't read their news even if it was free.
Did you even read the article, or do you just reflexively deny anything that conflicts with your point of view?

Nevertheless, here is the link.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

2. It proves the US and intelligence agencies were building up for a conflict since 2014, right after "they" executed regime change. It also proves the contention that this provocation is all our fault and not Putler. It also confirms that Putin's claims that the US/NATO has been behind the Ukraine operation from the beginning.

The question I have is why now do the powers that be want this to be known? To pressure the House to pass the 100B bill? To push Putin into a response?
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It proves nothing of the sort.

One of the most mind-boggling things about the Republican Party I once called myself a part of is how it has reflexively cozied up to Vladimir F-ing Putin. Because Biden helped Ukraine.

It's idiotic, dangerous, and completely without justification. It makes a mockery of actual conservative foreign policy principles and one of the reasons I don't really call myself a Republican anymore.
 
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WyoDawg307 said:
1. NYT is paywalled. I wouldn't read their news even if it was free.
Did you even read the article, or do you just reflexively deny anything that conflicts with your point of view?

Nevertheless, here is the link.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

2. It proves the US and intelligence agencies were building up for a conflict since 2014, right after "they" executed regime change. It also proves the contention that this provocation is all our fault and not Putler. It also confirms that Putin's claims that the US/NATO has been behind the Ukraine operation from the beginning.

The question I have is why now do the powers that be want this to be known? To pressure the House to pass the 100B bill? To push Putin into a response?
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anyone that isn't under mind control from the mockingbird media should know that the US and NATO (which means the US for the most part) are the cause of this entire conflict, they instigated it they want it and they are using it in tandem with the globalists for multiple functions, which are not limited to child sex trafficking, illegal biological weapons labs, fast and furious part 2 and money laundering of all kinds as well as destroying precious farm land and some of the most fertile land in the world at the desire of the WEF who's depopulation agenda is extremely clear and out in the open. The US is the aggressor, along with NATO. War with Russia is wanted by the war hawks and globalists and its a suicide mission for the west. Out of chaos will come their new world order and you have to have wars and rumors of wars as the Bible says to accomplish this goal. The entire regime we are under is under the control of Satan. This is a spiritual problem as our battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers....
 
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orangeisgay said:
anyone that isn't under mind control from the mockingbird media should know that the US and NATO (which means the US for the most part) are the cause of this entire conflict, they instigated it they want it and they are using it in tandem with the globalists for multiple functions, which are not limited to child sex trafficking, illegal biological weapons labs, fast and furious part 2 and money laundering of all kinds as well as destroying precious farm land and some of the most fertile land in the world at the desire of the WEF who's depopulation agenda is extremely clear and out in the open. The US is the aggressor, along with NATO. War with Russia is wanted by the war hawks and globalists and its a suicide mission for the west. Out of chaos will come their new world order and you have to have wars and rumors of wars as the Bible says to accomplish this goal. The entire regime we are under is under the control of Satan. This is a spiritual problem as our battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers....
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This is like a Russian propaganda fever dream...WTF? Seriously for those who say they're conservative there is no reason to fall for this Russian propaganda just to "Own the libs".
 
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orangeisgay said:
anyone that isn't under mind control from the mockingbird media should know that the US and NATO (which means the US for the most part) are the cause of this entire conflict, they instigated it they want it and they are using it in tandem with the globalists for multiple functions, which are not limited to child sex trafficking, illegal biological weapons labs, fast and furious part 2 and money laundering of all kinds as well as destroying precious farm land and some of the most fertile land in the world at the desire of the WEF who's depopulation agenda is extremely clear and out in the open. The US is the aggressor, along with NATO. War with Russia is wanted by the war hawks and globalists and its a suicide mission for the west. Out of chaos will come their new world order and you have to have wars and rumors of wars as the Bible says to accomplish this goal. The entire regime we are under is under the control of Satan. This is a spiritual problem as our battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers....
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That’s the craziest post I’ve seen on this board.
 
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shonuff253 said:
No it proves the US was responding to Russian aggression post their annexation of Crimea.

And the regime change was executed by the Ukrainian people because their prez at the time went back on his pledge to move close to the EU and instead wanted to build closer ties to Russia.
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My Gosh. When people have this take, you realize how brainwashed and anti-thought parts of this country have become. In all of the times I have been to UKR, I have never heard this a single
Time from someone in that country. Quite the opposite. When their soldiers point their AKs and yell at you for showing disrespect by simply having your picture made by a statue of a Russian official, then ignorant people say UKR population fight for separation from russia. A more Ignorant statement could not be made
 
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Bells76 said:
My Gosh. When people have this take, you realize how brainwashed and anti-thought parts of this country have become. In all of the times I have been to UKR, I have never heard this a single
Time from someone in that country. Quite the opposite. When their soldiers point their AKs and yell at you for showing disrespect by simply having your picture made by a statue of a Russian official, then ignorant people say UKR population fight for separation from russia. A more Ignorant statement could not be made
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I swear you're straight up a Russian propaganda algorithm.


Ukraine’s beleaguered President Viktor Yanukovich reached agreement with Russia on Tuesday for a $15-billion loan and a more than 30% cut in the price of Russian natural gas, deals that aren’t likely to win him peace from his European-leaning opposition.

"Thousands of protesters who had gathered in Kiev’s Independence Square responded to the news by demanding Yanukovich’s resignation and chanting: “Down with the gang!”"

www.latimes.com

Ukraine announces $15-billion Russia loan, gas price cut

Ukraine announces $15-billion Russia loan, gas price cut
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
 
TivoliDawg said:
1) can you link to the NYT article? I don’t see it.
2) what exactly would this prove? That the US is working to counter Russian intelligence? Is that a secret?
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These boys would have hung Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan if they knew what they were doing to our friends the Russians.
 
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Bells76 said:
My Gosh. When people have this take, you realize how brainwashed and anti-thought parts of this country have become. In all of the times I have been to UKR, I have never heard this a single
Time from someone in that country. Quite the opposite. When their soldiers point their AKs and yell at you for showing disrespect by simply having your picture made by a statue of a Russian official, then ignorant people say UKR population fight for separation from russia. A more Ignorant statement could not be made
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Americans DO NOT know history know follow events close enough to remember history. Its frustrating but it is what it is. If you followed everything that happened leading up to 2014 and thereafter is very cut and dry and you dont have to be Russian to figure it out.
 
Bells76 said:
My Gosh. When people have this take, you realize how brainwashed and anti-thought parts of this country have become. In all of the times I have been to UKR, I have never heard this a single
Time from someone in that country. Quite the opposite. When their soldiers point their AKs and yell at you for showing disrespect by simply having your picture made by a statue of a Russian official, then ignorant people say UKR population fight for separation from russia. A more Ignorant statement could not be made
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Why are you not there (Russia) now? Great place. Great leader fair to all. Fights against the bad guys (USA). Freedom, what it's always been known for.
 
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kckd said:
Why are you not there (Russia) now? Great place. Great leader fair to all. Fights against the bad guys (USA). Freedom, what it's always been known for.
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lol. Love when dems accuse me of siding with communists when so many of them threaten to leave the USA if a Person of THEIR choosing
doesn’t get to be president.

The dem party share so many traits with the communist party, it’s hard to separate them. Large omnipotent government. Limited to no personal freedom. One party state. Limited to no
tolerance for organized religion (can’t have any entity more powerful than the state
Now can we). Common ownership of everything. Decisions based on the collective, not the individual. Govt control of everything, food production (look at oregons laws, soon to be here), control of the media, govt control of healthcare, gun control, no disention allowed from the state’s official position. It’s classified as a left to far left party. Hell, you can’t distinguish between the two, yet it’s the commie minded leftists that lecture conservatives about Russia and the communist party. It’s like someone fused the worst parts of communism and the Roman Catholic Church into some evil monstrosity and released it onto the greatest form of govt in the history of the world and named it the Democratic Party. Unbelievable, the hypocrisy is overflowing.

The communist, socialists and democratic parties are not compatible with our Constitution or Bill
Of Rights. If you could ask any of our founders what they thought of unrest in the Middle East and Eastern Europe and they’d say they don’t give a shit.

My post wasn’t even about Russia, it was about UKR. Have you ever been there? Has shonuff? You both talk like you are very familiar with what the populace thinks. Want to hate Russia? Fine with me, but at least accept the fact that every move by OBidens administration to hurt Russia has backfired against the US and its taxpayer base. Funny how you progressives are so concerned with ukr’s independence but not our own. Go talk to at least one UKR citizen before claiming to know what they think.
 
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I swear you're straight up a Russian propaganda algorithm.


Ukraine’s beleaguered President Viktor Yanukovich reached agreement with Russia on Tuesday for a $15-billion loan and a more than 30% cut in the price of Russian natural gas, deals that aren’t likely to win him peace from his European-leaning opposition.

"Thousands of protesters who had gathered in Kiev’s Independence Square responded to the news by demanding Yanukovich’s resignation and chanting: “Down with the gang!”"

www.latimes.com

Ukraine announces $15-billion Russia loan, gas price cut

Ukraine announces $15-billion Russia loan, gas price cut
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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I don’t mean to single you out, I am referring to your party and their tactics in general for the most part. Still I want to know, have you ever been to UKR and spoken to its citizens? You sound as if you have.

I don’t consider the LA times credible but let’s assume they for once wrote an honest, worthy article. What country makes deals for energy that they are at war with? That tells you all kinds of corrupt deals are going on behind the scenes. You don’t sell resources to a country you’re at true war with. Japan basically started war with the US because of our energy sanctions against them, yet here are these two countries supposedly at war cutting deals for energy with each other.

The whole thing is corrupt and shady and no matter who wins, it will
Be the average uKR citizen that suffers in the end
 
orangeisgay said:
Americans DO NOT know history know follow events close enough to remember history. Its frustrating but it is what it is. If you followed everything that happened leading up to 2014 and thereafter is very cut and dry and you dont have to be Russian to figure it out.
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Right. Putin is almost as much of an innocent victim of the nefarious Deep State as Trump is.

I’m simply waiting for andrenochrome and the Rothschilds to enter the Chat.

 
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Bells76 said:
lol. Love when dems accuse me of siding with communists when so many of them threaten to leave the USA if a Person of THEIR choosing
doesn’t get to be president.

The dem party share so many traits with the communist party, it’s hard to separate them. Large omnipotent government. Limited to no personal freedom. One party state. Limited to no
tolerance for organized religion (can’t have any entity more powerful than the state
Now can we). Common ownership of everything. Decisions based on the collective, not the individual. Govt control of everything, food production (look at oregons laws, soon to be here), control of the media, govt control of healthcare, gun control, no disention allowed from the state’s official position. It’s classified as a left to far left party. Hell, you can’t distinguish between the two, yet it’s the commie minded leftists that lecture conservatives about Russia and the communist party. It’s like someone fused the worst parts of communism and the Roman Catholic Church into some evil monstrosity and released it onto the greatest form of govt in the history of the world and named it the Democratic Party. Unbelievable, the hypocrisy is overflowing.

The communist, socialists and democratic parties are not compatible with our Constitution or Bill
Of Rights. If you could ask any of our founders what they thought of unrest in the Middle East and Eastern Europe and they’d say they don’t give a shit.

My post wasn’t even about Russia, it was about UKR. Have you ever been there? Has shonuff? You both talk like you are very familiar with what the populace thinks. Want to hate Russia? Fine with me, but at least accept the fact that every move by OBidens administration to hurt Russia has backfired against the US and its taxpayer base. Funny how you progressives are so concerned with ukr’s independence but not our own. Go talk to at least one UKR citizen before claiming to know what they think.
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Not a dem. But love it or leave it, man. Love it or leave it. We need a new HUAC for you reds.
 
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Not a dem. But love it or leave it, man. Love it or leave it. We need a new HUAC for you reds.
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BS. I have seen you type nothing other than straight up democrat propaganda. Oh you can claim to be independent in order to dissociate yourself from communist ideals amongst the freedom loving citizens. You can attempt to hide it but your mirage is transparent.

I’d choose being a red over a democrat. At least the commies own their Godless, tyrannical cult of death. The dems have the same ethos, just try to hide it to sneak around in a free society

Still won’t answer the UKR question. Don’t worry, I know the answer
 
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BS. I have seen you type nothing other than straight up democrat propaganda. Oh you can claim to be independent in order to dissociate yourself from communist ideals amongst the freedom loving citizens. You can attempt to hide it but your mirage is transparent.

I’d choose being a red over a democrat. At least the commies own their Godless, tyrannical cult of death. The dems have the same ethos, just try to hide it to sneak around in a free society

Still won’t answer the UKR question. Don’t worry, I know the answer
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Spoken like a true, Russki. Are you a bot? I didn't know there was a question. Read one paragraph. Not gonna wade my way through all of that crap to get to it.
 
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Spoken like a true, Russki. Are you a bot? I didn't know there was a question. Read one paragraph. Not gonna wade my way through all of that crap to get to it.
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I’ve noticed you use that tactic a lot. Speak your lies and retreat and ignore responses that don’t fit your agenda. Pretend they don’t exist. You’re a good little subject. OBiden would be proud.

Have you been to UKR? Spoke to anyone there?
 
willdup said:
Right. Putin is almost as much of an innocent victim of the nefarious Deep State as Trump is.

I’m simply waiting for andrenochrome and the Rothschilds to enter the Chat.

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That was horrible, what they did to Litvinenko. Unusual story, one of my co-workers was interviewed by 60 minutes, along with 3 others in the Russian military I believe. He got a call a day or two after the 60 min airing from the network, saying 2 of the Russians had been shot and executed, the other was high enough to create a a crew of soldiers to be his body guards. My friend wasn’t too worried because he just spoke of the terrible effects of Po-210 on the body, not the spy and killing stuff, still Kept a close eye out for a
few weeks. One of the worst ways to go and Russia wanted everyone to know who did it without knowing who did it
 
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Nikita Sergeyevich Krushchev couldn't have said it better.
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Dude, your side called claims of bio labs in Ukraine as a conspiracy theory. Turns out, it is true. Your side was wrong again.

But everyone except the sheeple know that our focus needs to be on China.
 
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Dude, your side called claims of bio labs in Ukraine as a conspiracy theory. Turns out, it is true. Your side was wrong again.

But everyone except the sheeple know that our focus needs to be on China.
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No your side, Russia, claimed they were secret bio-weapons labs used by the US and Ukraine as justification for their invasion into Ukraine. Turns out these weren't secret labs but internationally known.

 
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No your side, Russia, claimed they were secret bio-weapons labs used by the US and Ukraine as justification for their invasion into Ukraine. Turns out these weren't secret labs but internationally known.

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NPR, give me a break.

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www.washingtonpost.com

foreignpolicy.com

False Claims of U.S. Biowarfare Labs in Ukraine Grip QAnon

The conspiracy theory has been boosted by Russian and Chinese media and diplomats.
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com

www.mediaite.com

ADL Unmasks Person Behind 'U.S. Bio Labs in Ukraine' Theory

A social media user, tweeting with the handle @WarClandestine fueled the conspiracy theory that Russian airstrikes were targeting “U.S. biolabs” in Ukraine
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