I wish you guys would not be so angry with Trump lol
it's like you can't believe the country spoke and stood up against all the BS you believe
what a glorious Monday!
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it's like you can't believe the country spoke and stood up against all the BS you believe
what a glorious Monday!
Maybe because those same rights that apply to US citizens dont apply to illegal aliens….some, but not all
NOT ANYMORE!!!
Lol
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They don’t have ALL the rights that a US citizen is afforded
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Completely false outside some very limited contexts at border or of course outside US
dear dawg,
you Really try too hard.
take the troll down 3 levels.
blend for a while,
then You May Troll like me....
once a while getting by with it
Yeah, I get it. I’m jumping off into something that’s over my head. My apologies on that. However, I’m still confused on how someone can just waltz into a country illegally and then expect to have the exact same rights as the legal citizens of the country. I’m even more confused how legal citizens of a country can agree with providing illegal immigrants with the same exact rights as them. It doesn’t make sense to me
Just think about it as a practical matter- if we had totally differential rights it would mean that we would all have to carry our papers and could be stopped to show them at any time. Not a world we want.
Citizenship is not visibly identifiable. Law enforcement officers cannot rely on appearance alone without risking racial profiling or discriminatory practices. So to avoid discrimination claims, officers could easily resort to checking everyone’s papers. And if certain rights are restricted for non-citizens (e.g., due process, housing, movement), police would need to verify status during routine traffic stops, workplace inspections, and in a range of public spaces. It wouldnt take long for this to be normalized which would erode privacy rights and expectations pretty quickly.
Also- this has been tried in other places, like apartheid South Africa with “pass laws”
You are correct except in the case of Immigration Courts and Officers working for Border Patrol, INS, etc.
The Supreme Court has held that “Mexican appearance” may be considered by Border Patrol officers in making immigration stops
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, PETITIONER Vv.
Fecix HuMBERTO BrRIGNONI-PONCE
We emphasize that a warrantless roving patrol stop for purposes of interrogation must be conducted in accordance with the Border Patrol’s statutory authority. That is to say, the officers may stop a car only “‘to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien
as to his right to be or to remain in the United States’’ (8 U.S.C. 1357(a) (1) ). Thus, while an officer need not, for the reasons we have discussed, have probable cause to believe that the automobile’s occupants are aliens illegally present in this country—.e., that a crime is being committed—he must reasonably believe that they are aliens.
That requirement is satisfied, we submit, where, as here, officers patrolling in an area known to have a high incidence of illegal alien traffic, near a fixed checkpoint that has been closed because of inclement weather,’ observe a northbound automobile containing three persons who appear to be of Mexican descent. In these circumstances, a brief stop of the car to inquire whether the occupants have a right to be in this country does not violate the Fourth Amendment and does not exceed the scope of the officers’ authority under the statute.’
Interesting case because the 9th and 10th circuits disagreed
You are correct but Im not really even talking about legality so much as police trying to avoid the hassle of civil law suits
I understand. Since I retired I have spent the last 10 years working for the local Sheriff's Office primarily as a Court Bailiff, transporting inmates, and some patrol. We were made aware of this when Obama was President due to being covered up here with illegal aliens.
To put things in perspective, if we have an armed robbery and all we are given is 2 black males and we start stopping pedestrians and vehicles with 2 black males that is racial profiling. If however, we are given a description of the clothing and/or vehicle and we stop 2 black males due to the clothing or the vehicle, that is not racial profiling.
In regards to the Border Patrol near the border that is basically what the Courts have said due it occurring all the time and also a little more leeway due to it being in the national interest. I doubt Border Patrol could get away with that here since we are far from the border.
In our case, we had to have probable cause to make a vehicle stop and at that point we could check everyone in the vehicle.
The only right that would be infringed is the free movement of people without being checked for papers. Which I agree that to be a right everyone should have here, legal or not. However, once someone is identified as an illegal citizen, through legal means, they shouldn’t enjoy the same rights and benefits of being an American citizen as American citizens.
This article covers the rights of illegal aliens/immigrants
Legal Rights of Undocumented Immigrants in the U.S.
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