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The Wall Street Journal

By Tunku Varadarajan Dec. 30, 2022

The phrase “generation gap” became popular in the late 1960s, as baby boomers were coming of age. To hear social psychologist Jonathan Haidt tell it, today’s generation gap has widened into a chasm. “We have a whole generation that’s doing terribly,” he says in an interview at his professorial office, book-lined and hushed, at New York University’s Stern School of Business. He calls it a “national crisis.”

At 59, Mr. Haidt is a young boomer, and he isn’t talking about millennials, some of whom are in their 40s by now. Rather, he has in mind the younger cohort, Generation Z, usually defined as those born between 1997 and 2012. “When you look at Americans born after 1995,” Mr. Haidt says, “what you find is that they have extraordinarily high rates of anxiety, depression, self-harm, suicide and fragility.” There has “never been a generation this depressed, anxious and fragile.”

He attributes this to the combination of social media and a culture that emphasizes victimhood. The latter was the subject of his most recent book, “The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure” (2018), with co-author Greg Lukianoff. Social media is Mr. Haidt’s present obsession. He’s working on two books that address its harmful impact on American society: “Kids in Space: Why Teen Mental Health Is Collapsing” and “Life After Babel: Adapting to a World We Can No Longer Share.”

The former title is a metaphor. Mr. Haidt imagines “literally launching our children into outer space” and letting their bodies grow there: “They would come out deformed and broken. Their limbs wouldn’t be right. You can’t physically grow up in outer space. Human bodies can’t do that.” Yet “we basically do that to them socially. We launched them into outer space around the year 2012,” he says, “and then we expect that they will grow up normally without having normal human experiences.”

Mr. Haidt’s research, confirmed by that of others, shows that depression rates started to rise “all of a sudden” around 2013, “especially for teen girls,” but “it’s only Gen Z, not the older generations.” If you’d stopped collecting data in 2011, he says, you’d see little change from previous years. “By 2015 it’s an epidemic.” (His data are available in an open-source document.)

What happened in 2012, when the oldest Gen-Z babies were in their middle teens? That was the year Facebook acquired Instagram and young people flocked to the latter site. It was also “the beginning of the selfie era.” Apple’s iPhone 4, released in 2010, had the first front-facing camera, which was much improved in the iPhone 5, introduced two years later. Social media and selfies hit a generation that had led an overprotected childhood, in which the age at which children were allowed outside on their own by parents had risen from the norm of previous generations, 7 or 8, to between 10 and 12.

That meant the first social-media generation was one of “weakened kids” who “hadn’t practiced the skills of adulthood in a low-stakes environment” with other children. They were deprived of “the normal toughening, the normal strengthening, the normal anti-fragility.” Before 2010, teenagers had flip phones. “They’d text each other and say, ‘Let’s meet down at the mall.’ They would do things together.” Now, their childhood “is largely just through the phone. They no longer even hang out together.” Teenagers even drive less than earlier generations did.

Mr. Haidt especially worries about girls. By 2020 more than 25% of female teenagers had “a major depression.” The comparable number for boys was just under 9%. The comparable numbers for millennials at the same age registered at half the Gen-Z rate: about 13% for girls and 5% for boys. “Kids are on their devices all the time,” he says, but boys play videogames, often in groups: “Boys thrive if they have a group of boys competing against another group of boys.”

Most girls, by contrast, are drawn to “visual platforms,” Instagram and TikTok in particular. “Those are about display and performance. You post your perfect life, and then you flip through the photos of other girls who have a more perfect life, and you feel depressed.” He calls this phenomenon “compare and despair” and says: “It seems social because you’re communicating with people. But it’s performative. You don’t actually get social relationships. You get weak, fake social links.”

Mr. Haidt says he has no antipathy toward the young, and he calls millennials “amazing.” Older folks make fun of them, “but that’s the normal teasing across generations that you get going back to Plato.” To illustrate his point about Gen Z, Mr. Haidt challenges people to name young people today who are “really changing the world, who are doing big things that have an impact beyond their closed ecosystem.” By contrast, he says millennials remade the “entire world”—though not necessarily for the better. Mark Zuckerberg, born in 1984, founded Facebook when he was 20.

He concedes that his judgment of Gen Z may be premature: “It could be that you’ll see some impact in three or four years, by the time they’re 30. But I’m predicting that they will be less effective, less impactful, than previous generations.” Why? “You should always keep your eye on whether people are in ‘discover mode’ or ‘defend mode.’ ” In the former mode, you seize opportunities to be creative. In the latter, “you’re not creative, you’re not future-thinking, you’re focused on threats in the present.”


As Jed Clampett said, "Pity-Full, jest Pity-Full!"
 
The Wall Street Journal

By Tunku Varadarajan Dec. 30, 2022

The phrase “generation gap” became popular in the late 1960s, as baby boomers were coming of age. To hear social psychologist Jonathan Haidt tell it, today’s generation gap has widened into a chasm. “We have a whole generation that’s doing terribly,” he says in an interview at his professorial office, book-lined and hushed, at New York University’s Stern School of Business. He calls it a “national crisis.”

At 59, Mr. Haidt is a young boomer, and he isn’t talking about millennials, some of whom are in their 40s by now. Rather, he has in mind the younger cohort, Generation Z, usually defined as those born between 1997 and 2012. “When you look at Americans born after 1995,” Mr. Haidt says, “what you find is that they have extraordinarily high rates of anxiety, depression, self-harm, suicide and fragility.” There has “never been a generation this depressed, anxious and fragile.”

He attributes this to the combination of social media and a culture that emphasizes victimhood. The latter was the subject of his most recent book, “The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure” (2018), with co-author Greg Lukianoff. Social media is Mr. Haidt’s present obsession. He’s working on two books that address its harmful impact on American society: “Kids in Space: Why Teen Mental Health Is Collapsing” and “Life After Babel: Adapting to a World We Can No Longer Share.”

The former title is a metaphor. Mr. Haidt imagines “literally launching our children into outer space” and letting their bodies grow there: “They would come out deformed and broken. Their limbs wouldn’t be right. You can’t physically grow up in outer space. Human bodies can’t do that.” Yet “we basically do that to them socially. We launched them into outer space around the year 2012,” he says, “and then we expect that they will grow up normally without having normal human experiences.”

Mr. Haidt’s research, confirmed by that of others, shows that depression rates started to rise “all of a sudden” around 2013, “especially for teen girls,” but “it’s only Gen Z, not the older generations.” If you’d stopped collecting data in 2011, he says, you’d see little change from previous years. “By 2015 it’s an epidemic.” (His data are available in an open-source document.)

What happened in 2012, when the oldest Gen-Z babies were in their middle teens? That was the year Facebook acquired Instagram and young people flocked to the latter site. It was also “the beginning of the selfie era.” Apple’s iPhone 4, released in 2010, had the first front-facing camera, which was much improved in the iPhone 5, introduced two years later. Social media and selfies hit a generation that had led an overprotected childhood, in which the age at which children were allowed outside on their own by parents had risen from the norm of previous generations, 7 or 8, to between 10 and 12.

That meant the first social-media generation was one of “weakened kids” who “hadn’t practiced the skills of adulthood in a low-stakes environment” with other children. They were deprived of “the normal toughening, the normal strengthening, the normal anti-fragility.” Before 2010, teenagers had flip phones. “They’d text each other and say, ‘Let’s meet down at the mall.’ They would do things together.” Now, their childhood “is largely just through the phone. They no longer even hang out together.” Teenagers even drive less than earlier generations did.

Mr. Haidt especially worries about girls. By 2020 more than 25% of female teenagers had “a major depression.” The comparable number for boys was just under 9%. The comparable numbers for millennials at the same age registered at half the Gen-Z rate: about 13% for girls and 5% for boys. “Kids are on their devices all the time,” he says, but boys play videogames, often in groups: “Boys thrive if they have a group of boys competing against another group of boys.”

Most girls, by contrast, are drawn to “visual platforms,” Instagram and TikTok in particular. “Those are about display and performance. You post your perfect life, and then you flip through the photos of other girls who have a more perfect life, and you feel depressed.” He calls this phenomenon “compare and despair” and says: “It seems social because you’re communicating with people. But it’s performative. You don’t actually get social relationships. You get weak, fake social links.”

Mr. Haidt says he has no antipathy toward the young, and he calls millennials “amazing.” Older folks make fun of them, “but that’s the normal teasing across generations that you get going back to Plato.” To illustrate his point about Gen Z, Mr. Haidt challenges people to name young people today who are “really changing the world, who are doing big things that have an impact beyond their closed ecosystem.” By contrast, he says millennials remade the “entire world”—though not necessarily for the better. Mark Zuckerberg, born in 1984, founded Facebook when he was 20.

He concedes that his judgment of Gen Z may be premature: “It could be that you’ll see some impact in three or four years, by the time they’re 30. But I’m predicting that they will be less effective, less impactful, than previous generations.” Why? “You should always keep your eye on whether people are in ‘discover mode’ or ‘defend mode.’ ” In the former mode, you seize opportunities to be creative. In the latter, “you’re not creative, you’re not future-thinking, you’re focused on threats in the present.”


As Jed Clampett said, "Pity-Full, jest Pity-Full!"
My kids are all Millenials and they are very pragmatic and have mental toughness but Gen whY and Z are emotional wrecks (not all of course) and a good portion have little to no social skills outside of a cell phone. Lazy unmotivated to do anything outside of gaming.
 
No worries. In 10 or 15 years there will be a new generation we’ll be worried about and Gen Z will be responsible adults.

These kinds of problems are just as much parents struggling to keep up with change as their kids. There have been a lot of changes that are largely driven by technology and new forms of media and sometimes it’s difficult to anticipate how these changes affect young people.
 
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As Jed Clampett said many times about Jethro, “One of these days, I’m gonna have to have a long talk with that boy.”
the beverly hillbillies what GIF
 
No worries. In 10 or 15 years there will be a new generation we’ll be worried about and Gen Z will be responsible adults.

These kinds of problems are just as much parents struggling to keep up with change as their kids. There have been a lot of changes that are largely driven by technology and new forms of media and sometimes it’s difficult to anticipate how these changes affect young people.
Dream on
 
No worries. In 10 or 15 years there will be a new generation we’ll be worried about and Gen Z will be responsible adults.

These kinds of problems are just as much parents struggling to keep up with change as their kids. There have been a lot of changes that are largely driven by technology and new forms of media and sometimes it’s difficult to anticipate how these changes affect young people.
Yeah suddenly social skills, a strong work ethic and mental toughness will emerge out of nowhere. 🙄🙄🙄
 
No worries. In 10 or 15 years there will be a new generation we’ll be worried about and Gen Z will be responsible adults.

These kinds of problems are just as much parents struggling to keep up with change as their kids. There have been a lot of changes that are largely driven by technology and new forms of media and sometimes it’s difficult to anticipate how these changes affect young people.
Yeah, you can rationalize why they are mentally ill and ignore that they are mentally ill but at the end of the day, they are still mentally ill. We blame everything but the perpetrator these days.
 
No worries. In 10 or 15 years there will be a new generation we’ll be worried about and Gen Z will be responsible adults.

These kinds of problems are just as much parents struggling to keep up with change as their kids. There have been a lot of changes that are largely driven by technology and new forms of media and sometimes it’s difficult to anticipate how these changes affect young people.
Yeah we should understand how tough life is for these young people today……..it’s not like they’ve been asked to do something easy like fight WWII.
 
Yeah we should understand how tough life is for these young people today……..it’s not like they’ve been asked to do something easy like fight WWII.
Ah yes the old blow hard style of response. My point is that almost every generation is criticized when they’re young and every generation faces challenges and issues. It wasn’t long ago older people talked like millennials would be the end of civilization but now they’re entering middle age and people are starting to complain about Gen Z.
I think social media probably has had some negative consequences but over all I suspect they’ll be ok As far as things like work ethic those complaints are like a broken record although I think technology will s changing how people work.

Reputations can change. The Baby Boomers were once associated with the hippee movement. You should hear how a lot of young people talk about Boomers. It’s not flattering.
 
Ah yes the old blow hard style of response. My point is that almost every generation is criticized when they’re young and every generation faces challenges and issues. It wasn’t long ago older people talked like millennials would be the end of civilization but now they’re entering middle age and people are starting to complain about Gen Z.
I think social media probably has had some negative consequences but over all I suspect they’ll be ok As far as things like work ethic those complaints are like a broken record although I think technology will s changing how people work.

Reputations can change. The Baby Boomers were once associated with the hippee movement. You should hear how a lot of young people talk about Boomers. It’s not flattering.
LOL……..But at least you acknowledged the less than positive impact of social media. But don’t worry, in most instances with age comes wisdom. So there’s still hope for you. 🙂
 
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No worries. In 10 or 15 years there will be a new generation we’ll be worried about and Gen Z will be responsible adults.

These kinds of problems are just as much parents struggling to keep up with change as their kids. There have been a lot of changes that are largely driven by technology and new forms of media and sometimes it’s difficult to anticipate how these changes affect young people.
The biggest predictor of future success for a child is being raised in a two parent household. Can’t imagine how difficult it is for a single mother to raise kids now. But unfortunately it’s the majority of households in many places.
 
LOL……..But at least you acknowledged the less than positive impact of social media. But don’t worry, in most instances with age comes wisdom. So there’s still hope for you. 🙂
I’m not what most would call young. I’m 43 actually. I just don’t hold animosity towards our children. I’ve also heard all of this before. I thought the millennials were supposed to be out ruinat but you hear less of that. I heard at one time those old hippey baby boomers were going to destroy this country and now they’re the grumpy old people. Generational strife isn’t a new thing but in the end it always seems to be ok.
 
I’m not what most would call young. I’m 43 actually. I just don’t hold animosity towards our children. I’ve also heard all of this before. I thought the millennials were supposed to be out ruinat but you hear less of that. I heard at one time those old hippey baby boomers were going to destroy this country and now they’re the grumpy old people. Generational strife isn’t a new thing but in the end it always seems to be ok.
I was fortunate enough to be raised by parents from the Greatest Generation. Not my words but something I agree with. But unfortunately the ideals of that generation are no longer being handed down. Thats our loss. We aren’t improving as a society and haven’t been for some time. Nothing about animosity towards younger folks, as plenty of older ones have just as many issues these days. Just a reality. But believe me, at some point you’ll look back and remember yourself still young at 43. Life passes by just that fast.
 
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They better get tough the democrats are about to get us into a war, we need these Democrat noting young people to go where their leaders are sending them So they can help maintain their leaders lifestyles .
 
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