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Can someone explain the outrage, directed at Isreal to me?

Even if we presume the bombing of dresden and the policy of unconditional surrender (or even the war itself in europe) was necessary.

Israel is fighting a group that has to weld pipes together to launch mortars.

They aren't fighting the german war machine.
So because the enemy terrorist organization does not have as sophisticated technology, Israel should just allow their citizens to get murdered and tortured and raped. Got it
 
I see lots of rage, directed at Israel, accusing them of atrocities, killing children, treating people like animals, etc.

But wasn't Israel attacked in October?

To me, it looks like Palestinians are mad because Israel hit back, and hit harder.

If you don't want war, don't start war.

How can anyone complain about Isreal's actions, when they are in direct response to an attack on their home?

Yes, innocent casualties are awful. But it's not as simple as the "Isreal is murdering people" narrative I see in many places.

What am I missing. Don't attack if you didn't want to fight.
You're not missing anything. Ignorant college students who think they are smart but are really brain washed and ragheads we should have never let into this country are a very loud and very small bunch.
 
This comes down to one thing. It is very obvious that Israel's only intent is to destroy or limit the population in Gaza. That is Genocide. We are called anti-sematic for using the word Jew and Israel has intentionally killed over 30,000 people. It ain't right. I am in the middle on this one, but if you intentionally murder people your arse should be toast!
 
This comes down to one thing. It is very obvious that Israel's only intent is to destroy or limit the population in Gaza. That is Genocide. We are called anti-sematic for using the word Jew and Israel has intentionally killed over 30,000 people. It ain't right. I am in the middle on this one, but if you intentionally murder people your arse should be toast!
Very obvious. What the hell are you talking about. Hamas has sacrificed Palestinians as a form of political posturing and self preservation.
October 7th was intentionally murder people.
 
This comes down to one thing. It is very obvious that Israel's only intent is to destroy or limit the population in Gaza. That is Genocide. We are called anti-sematic for using the word Jew and Israel has intentionally killed over 30,000 people. It ain't right. I am in the middle on this one, but if you intentionally murder people your arse should be toast!
If Israel’s only intent was to destroy the population of Gaza, rats would not even still be alive. You clearly have zero clue what you are talking about. Clearly have zero idea what genocide means. Clearly have no idea what is actually going on
 
This comes down to one thing. It is very obvious that Israel's only intent is to destroy or limit the population in Gaza. That is Genocide. We are called anti-sematic for using the word Jew and Israel has intentionally killed over 30,000 people. It ain't right. I am in the middle on this one, but if you intentionally murder people your arse should be toast!

Just so I'm clear, you do know what took place on October 7th?
 
Just so I'm clear, you do know what took place on October 7th?
650 citizens of Israel died that day, the rest were military. People have admitted most of the rape accusations were BS and the baby rape and killing propaganda as well. See NY times today. NONE of that, even if so, gives anyone the right to kill over 30,000 citizens. Honestly, and I am okay with you all's opinion, I can't see how ANYONE can justify genocide. You need to think about that. That has become the overriding factor here. Against anyone, anywhere. Nothing. That could easily be Christians in the USA by some dictator Woke nut job in 2040.
 
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650 citizens of Israel died that day, the rest were military. People have admitted most of the rape accusations were BS and the baby rape and killing propaganda as well. See NY times today. NONE of that, even if so, gives anyone the right to kill over 30,000 citizens. Honestly, and I am okay with you all's opinion, I can't see how ANYONE can justify genocide. You need to think about that. That has become the overriding factor here. Against anyone, anywhere. Nothing. That could easily be Christians in the USA by some dictator Woke nut job in 2040.
Who are you, Ismail Haniyeh? Kamala? AOC?

Genocide? 30,000? Rape accusations are BS?

GTFO.
 
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I see lots of rage, directed at Israel, accusing them of atrocities, killing children, treating people like animals, etc.

But wasn't Israel attacked in October?

To me, it looks like Palestinians are mad because Israel hit back, and hit harder.

If you don't want war, don't start war.

How can anyone complain about Isreal's actions, when they are in direct response to an attack on their home?

Yes, innocent casualties are awful. But it's not as simple as the "Isreal is murdering people" narrative I see in many places.

What am I missing. Don't attack if you didn't want to fight.
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Understood, good point.

Biden is playing both sides, not a good look. Pick a side rather than trying to win votes…..not to mention resources going to Ukraine. Just hope that China doesn’t decide to pounce on Taiwan any time soon.

War still sux, but sometimes you have no choice. Just not entirely comfortable with who we have in office.

No issue with supporting Israel, just don’t want too many irons in the fire.
We need a real President in office ASAP. One that is not in China and Russias pocket, one that does NOT want this country to be a socialist one.
 
650 citizens of Israel died that day, the rest were military. People have admitted most of the rape accusations were BS and the baby rape and killing propaganda as well. See NY times today. NONE of that, even if so, gives anyone the right to kill over 30,000 citizens. Honestly, and I am okay with you all's opinion, I can't see how ANYONE can justify genocide. You need to think about that. That has become the overriding factor here. Against anyone, anywhere. Nothing. That could easily be Christians in the USA by some dictator Woke nut job in 2040.

Ah I see. It's just a few civilian deaths, and rapes. And Israel has responded with genocide. And they just using Oct 7th as an excuse to accomplish what they wanted to do anyway.

I'm glad you recognize propaganda.
 
Ah I see. It's just a few civilian deaths, and rapes. And Israel has responded with genocide. And they just using Oct 7th as an excuse to accomplish what they wanted to do anyway.

I'm glad you recognize propaganda.
So Israel, has never put out any propaganda?

We’ve gotten the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth from them?
 
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We need a real President in office ASAP. One that is not in China and Russias pocket, one that does NOT want this country to be a socialist one.
Not just liberal, read the post
 
Liberal

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We need a real President in office ASAP. One that is not in China and Russias pocket, one that does NOT want this country to be a socialist one.
I agree, unfortunately there is not one in the current race to vote for.
 
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This comes down to one thing. It is very obvious that Israel's only intent is to destroy or limit the population in Gaza. That is Genocide. We are called anti-sematic for using the word Jew and Israel has intentionally killed over 30,000 people. It ain't right. I am in the middle on this one, but if you intentionally murder people your arse should be toast!
I disagree.

If Israel wanted genocide they could have killed every Gaza’s in 30 min. and been done by lunchtime 10/8.

They have taken extraordinary steps to a voice civilian casualties. If Hammas is operating out of hospitals and schools, then that is their choice.

Civilians die in every war. It’s sad, but not unexpected.
 
650 citizens of Israel died that day, the rest were military. People have admitted most of the rape accusations were BS and the baby rape and killing propaganda as well. See NY times today. NONE of that, even if so, gives anyone the right to kill over 30,000 citizens. Honestly, and I am okay with you all's opinion, I can't see how ANYONE can justify genocide. You need to think about that. That has become the overriding factor here. Against anyone, anywhere. Nothing. That could easily be Christians in the USA by some dictator Woke nut job in 2040.
Like, it’s not genocide though. I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

Also, please provide a link to the NYT sorry you’re referring to.
 
650 citizens of Israel died that day, the rest were military. People have admitted most of the rape accusations were BS and the baby rape and killing propaganda as well. See NY times today. NONE of that, even if so, gives anyone the right to kill over 30,000 citizens. Honestly, and I am okay with you all's opinion, I can't see how ANYONE can justify genocide. You need to think about that. That has become the overriding factor here. Against anyone, anywhere. Nothing. That could easily be Christians in the USA by some dictator Woke nut job in 2040.
You're numbers are wrong. It was 695 ISRAELI civilians. There were also about 100 foreign civilians, including AMERICAN CITIZENS murdered... But all of the 30k (assuming you believe terrorists numbers) are innocent civilians according to your statement.

Look up Amit Soussana. Just came out with her story a few days ago about what happened when she was kidnapped, if you think the rape was bs. Really disgusting take on every single level.

You are 10000% right though on 1 thing. How can anyone justify genocide. When these terrorists stated goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and kill all the Jewish people. How can anyone defend that genocidal rhetoric.
 
I disagree.

If Israel wanted genocide they could have killed every Gaza’s in 30 min. and been done by lunchtime 10/8.

They have taken extraordinary steps to a voice civilian casualties. If Hammas is operating out of hospitals and schools, then that is their choice.

Civilians die in every war. It’s sad, but not unexpected.

Exactly.

If Israel wanted genocide, why did they wait until after they were attacked, to start that process?
Why have they even discussed ceasefire?
Why did they warn people of upcoming attacks?
Where are the roundups, and concentration camps?
Why are they sparing prisoners?

Its not genocide. That's just the very propaganda that Israel is accused of.
 
650 citizens of Israel died that day, the rest were military. People have admitted most of the rape accusations were BS and the baby rape and killing propaganda as well. See NY times today. NONE of that, even if so, gives anyone the right to kill over 30,000 citizens. Honestly, and I am okay with you all's opinion, I can't see how ANYONE can justify genocide. You need to think about that. That has become the overriding factor here. Against anyone, anywhere. Nothing. That could easily be Christians in the USA by some dictator Woke nut job in 2040.

Yea the rapes were BS. Disgusting
 
Believe all women well unless it’s against a dim or hamas.
If anyone wonders why TikTok needs to be banned: 60% of Americans <25 years of age think Gazans are the afflicted and Jews are the aggressor in this very conflict.

Think about that. A bunch of dirty dogs rapes and murders and we have people in this thread claiming it’s not real. Scary. I know where those folks get their info. TikTok.
 
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Unfortunately we see the democRAT's long term continuous conditioning, even in this thread.
It is a strategy which began around 1959. The democRAT party suddenly went from blocking school doors to claiming to be the party of "inclusion and tolerance".
Taking that mantra as a shield, they ceaslessly propagandized the black man to think "black first". Of course that is racist. But the propaganda barrage continuously tells them that's ok and if anyone opposes that, then they are the racist. But after neverending programming for over 60 years, far too many people have accepted the lie as the truth.
That's just one example of a message that flies in the face of common sense and truth being drilled into the minds of the American public.
Likewise, the youth are programmed in public schools to "obey the government dictate". Nonsense such as "just take the shot", "diesel pollutes the atmosphere", "electric vehicles are cleaner", "cow farts" etc. are much easier to make the well prepped, softened up brain accept without questioning.
Occasionally the democRAT elite behind the power grab are forced to massage messages. "Global warming" had to be morphed into "climate change" because the scientific facts proved that overall the earth is getting cooler not hotter. But when the media is almost totally controlled by those wealthy globalist barons, the changes are made almost without any outcry because the programming never stops and the numb are directed to accept the change even with the obvious and glaring contradictions.
A prime example of the numb following directions from the programmers is this outcry from the stupid that Israel is commiting genocide. Even after the October 7th massacre, Israel is villainized for it determined military campaign to stamp out once and for all the evil known as hamas. In WW2 we did exactly the same thing with the nazis, holding public trials and executing them even after the war. How many German so called "innocents" died in WW2 when the Allied forces invaded? Were it today, these morons would be crying about that too.
But never mind the ridiculousness of the wailing over the palestinians, who btw virtually ALL support hamas. The numb brained democRAT cow is told to mooo and mooo they will, without even the first thought about how stupid they look or how maniulated their every emotional outburst has become.
 
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I love you guys. This country spent 400 years trying to beat, (g)rape and kill any sort of pride or dignity out of AA and when that fails its pur fault and were now unAmerican...GTFOH.
When you say it like that, it makes me feel as though I should pay reparations.
 
I love you guys. This country spent 400 years trying to beat, (g)rape and kill any sort of pride or dignity out of AA and when that fails its pur fault and were now unAmerican...GTFOH.
The country started in 1776 unofficially but really in the 1780s. Your math skills resemble your reasoning skills.
Then of course, there was a war fought to end slavery in this awful country less than a century later. About a million white people died in that war.
You believe what you want to believe ... and what you are told to believe ... and what you think serves you best.
 
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The country started in 1776 unofficially but really in the 1780s. Then of course, there was a war fought to end slavery in this awful country less than a century later. About a million white people died in that war.
You believe what you want to believe ... and what you are told to believe ... and what you think serves you best.
Between 1865 and 1965 would you say AA had the same opportunities for success and justice in America as white America?
 
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Between 1865 and 1965 would you say AA had the same opportunities for success and justice in America as white America?
For most of that time I was not there. Were you? What does Alcoholics Anonymous have to do with anything? What's your point?
 
For most of that time I was not there. Were you? What does Alcoholics Anonymous have to do with anything? What's your point?
You're right we were not around but my parents and grandparents were and they didnt have the same privileges or access to financial capital that white America because the United States was a racist country
 
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You're right we were not around but my parents and grandparents were and they didnt have the same privileges or access to financial capital that white America because the United States was a racist country
Like I said, I was not there and neither were you. I sense that you want to blame your problems on whitey. But even from 1965 forward is almost 60 years to the present.
I was born into the family of a railroad worker came from the poorest family you have ever imagined. My mom had a stroke when I was just a little boy. I went in the Marines so I could get the GI Bill because there was no other way for me to go to college. I found my ass in a world of shit like you have never even dreamed. Boo hoo for me. Life's tough and then you die. That is not an uncommon saga for any race.
Your success or failure is not in the hands of someone else. That is a weak, lame, cowardly argument. Your life has as much to do with people who lived 60+ years ago as mine does ... zero.
Also, how stupid weak would it sound for me to go around insisting that everyone call me a European American instead of a white guy? Turn that beat around and you'll see how that song sounds over here.
 
I see lots of rage, directed at Israel, accusing them of atrocities, killing children, treating people like animals, etc.

But wasn't Israel attacked in October?

To me, it looks like Palestinians are mad because Israel hit back, and hit harder.

If you don't want war, don't start war.

How can anyone complain about Isreal's actions, when they are in direct response to an attack on their home?

Yes, innocent casualties are awful. But it's not as simple as the "Isreal is murdering people" narrative I see in many places.

What am I missing. Don't attack if you didn't want to fight.

no
 
I love you guys. This country spent 400 years trying to beat, (g)rape and kill any sort of pride or dignity out of AA and when that fails its pur fault and were now unAmerican...GTFOH.
Okay, I will bite.

You use the time period starting back 400 years ago for “AA”…..and have used it more than once before.

I will counter with there has been racism/discrimination for every race/ethnicity at some point in time. Not saying everybody has experienced it, just every race/ethnicity through time has.

If you are looking for acknowledgement, I will definitely acknowledge that, but won’t apologize for someone else’s behavior.

Is there something else that you are eluding to, reparations for “AA” maybe?? If so, where does the time period stop if you do it for one group?

Or is there another point you are trying to make that I missed?

I’ve never looked at anyone and decided that I didn’t like them because of their race or ethnicity…..nor do I associate with anyone like that has.

Thinks for the most part, it is about the “haves and the “have nots” rather than racism.

Just trying to understand where you are coming from.
 
Like I said, I was not there and neither were you. I sense that you want to blame your problems on whitey. But even from 1965 forward is almost 60 years to the present.
I was born into the family of a railroad worker came from the poorest family you have ever imagined. My mom had a stroke when I was just a little boy. I went in the Marines so I could get the GI Bill because there was no other way for me to go to college. I found my ass in a world of shit like you have never even dreamed. Boo hoo for me. Life's tough and then you die. That is not an uncommon saga for any race.
Your success or failure is not in the hands of someone else. That is a weak, lame, cowardly argument. Your life has as much to do with people who lived 60+ years ago as mine does ... zero.
Also, how stupid weak would it sound for me to go around insisting that everyone call me a European American instead of a white guy? Turn that beat around and you'll see how that song sounds over here.
Like I said, I was not there and neither were you. I sense that you want to blame your problems on whitey. But even from 1965 forward is almost 60 years to the present.
I was born into the family of a railroad worker came from the poorest family you have ever imagined. My mom had a stroke when I was just a little boy. I went in the Marines so I could get the GI Bill because there was no other way for me to go to college. I found my ass in a world of shit like you have never even dreamed. Boo hoo for me. Life's tough and then you die. That is not an uncommon saga for any race.
Your success or failure is not in the hands of someone else. That is a weak, lame, cowardly argument. Your life has as much to do with people who lived 60+ years ago as mine does ... zero.
Also, how stupid weak would it sound for me to go around insisting that everyone call me a European American instead of a white guy? Turn that beat around and you'll see how that song sounds over here.
Semper Fi !!
 
Like I said, I was not there and neither were you. I sense that you want to blame your problems on whitey. But even from 1965 forward is almost 60 years to the present.
I was born into the family of a railroad worker came from the poorest family you have ever imagined. My mom had a stroke when I was just a little boy. I went in the Marines so I could get the GI Bill because there was no other way for me to go to college. I found my ass in a world of shit like you have never even dreamed. Boo hoo for me. Life's tough and then you die. That is not an uncommon saga for any race.
Your success or failure is not in the hands of someone else. That is a weak, lame, cowardly argument. Your life has as much to do with people who lived 60+ years ago as mine does ... zero.
Also, how stupid weak would it sound for me to go around insisting that everyone call me a European American instead of a white guy? Turn that beat around and you'll see how that song sounds over here.
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I will counter with there has been racism/discrimination for every race/ethnicity at some point in time. Not saying everybody has experienced it, just every race/ethnicity through time has.
So other races in America have been subjected to organized lynching where the death toll is in the thousands?
 
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So other races in America have been subjected to organized lynching where the death toll is in the thousands?
Thousands???…..heck, I don’t know.

But there have been lynchings and there have been plenty of rapes and beatings that you mentioned to other races.

I.E…..11 Italian Americans (lynched):


I’m sure if I looked long enough, I could find more. No telling how many Indians suffered in the time period you keep mentioning.

Point is, AA are not the only race that have been discriminated against or have had injustices done to them.

Again, you’ve used this 400 year time period before. For the sake of an argument, let’s just say that the AA were the most discriminated people in the world.

You got the platform here, again….Is there something you feel like you or the AA people are owed??
 
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Thousands???…..heck, I don’t know.

But there have been lynchings and there have been plenty of rapes and beatings that you mentioned to other races.

I.E…..11 Italian Americans (lynched):


I’m sure if I looked long enough, I could find more. No telling how many Indians suffered in the time period you keep mentioning.

Point is, AA are not the only race that have been discriminated against or have had injustices done to them.

Again, you’ve used this 400 year time period before. For the sake of an argument, let’s just say that the AA were the most discriminated people in the world.

You got the platform here, again….Is there something you feel like you or the AA people are owed??
4743...that's the number of lynched AA the NAACP has tracked between the years of 1882 and 1968 and you bring up 11 and say everything is equal. I'm sorry if it breaks your fragile psych to admit white America has had an advantage economically, socially, medically, politically and through the legal system over AA based on racism and enforced by the US govenrenment for most of its existence but it's a fact.

At every turn you try and minimize the affect of racism in America ...why is that?
 
4743...that's the number of lynched AA the NAACP has tracked between the years of 1882 and 1968 and you bring up 11 and say everything is equal. I'm sorry if it breaks your fragile psych to admit white America has had an advantage economically, socially, medically, politically and through the legal system over AA based on racism and enforced by the US govenrenment for most of its existence but it's a fact.

At every turn you try and minimize the affect of racism in America ...why is that?
Why can’t you answer a simple question, I believe I have already asked it twice.

Now, 3 times:

“Is there something you feel like you or the AA people are owed??”

While your answering that question, how many “Injuns” were they??
 
Why can’t you answer a simple question, I believe I have already asked it twice.

Now, 3 times:

“Is there something you feel like you or the AA people are owed??”

While your answering that question, how many “Injuns” were they??
You can't even admit that AA have been agreived more than others. The discrimination, slavery, lynchings...weren't a big deal so why should I answer your question if you can't admit a basic fact.
 
You can't even admit that AA have been agreived more than others. The discrimination, slavery, lynchings...weren't a big deal so why should I answer your question if you can't admit a basic fact.
Unless you missed it, I did say this:

“For the sake of an argument, let’s just say that the AA were the most discriminated people in the world.”

And I have asked you a simple question 3 times now. This will be four:

Is there something you feel like you or the AA people are owed??”

Not a trick question, not a gotcha question & no reason to be afraid to answer it. It is legitimately a genuinely honest question.

Not hard, just give me your opinion.
 
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