Found liable for sexual assualt, Trump says he's going to protect women whether they like it or not...great closing message to women.😅

[shonuff253]

And my people told me about four weeks ago, I was saying, “No, I want to protect the people. I want to protect the women of our country. I want to protect the women.”

“Sir, please don’t say that.”

“Why?”

They said, “We think it’s, we think it’s very inappropriate for you to say.”

I said, “Why? I’m president. I want to protect the women of our country.”

They said [APPLAUSE], they said, “Sir, I just think it’s inappropriate for you to say.”

pay these guys a lot of money. Can you believe it? And I said, “Well, I’m going to do it whether the women like it or not. I’ve gotta protect them. I’m gonna protect them from migrants coming in. I’m gonna protect them from foreign countries that wanna hit us with missiles and lots of other things.”

‘I’m Gonna Do It Whether the Women Like It or Not’: Trump Vows to Keep Saying Line Aides Told Him Not to Say

Former President Donald Trump said he will keep repeating one of his favorite campaign lines, aides' advice be damned. In rally after rally, he has claimed that he will protect women. Last month, for example, Trump addressed women in a particularly strange way. "You will no longer be abandoned...

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[atlanta cock#]

And my people told me about four weeks ago, I was saying, “No, I want to protect the people. I want to protect the women of our country. I want to protect the women.”

“Sir, please don’t say that.”

“Why?”

They said, “We think it’s, we think it’s very inappropriate for you to say.”

I said, “Why? I’m president. I want to protect the women of our country.”

They said [APPLAUSE], they said, “Sir, I just think it’s inappropriate for you to say.”

pay these guys a lot of money. Can you believe it? And I said, “Well, I’m going to do it whether the women like it or not. I’ve gotta protect them. I’m gonna protect them from migrants coming in. I’m gonna protect them from foreign countries that wanna hit us with missiles and lots of other things.”

‘I’m Gonna Do It Whether the Women Like It or Not’: Trump Vows to Keep Saying Line Aides Told Him Not to Say

Former President Donald Trump said he will keep repeating one of his favorite campaign lines, aides' advice be damned. In rally after rally, he has claimed that he will protect women. Last month, for example, Trump addressed women in a particularly strange way. "You will no longer be abandoned...

www.mediaite.com

Trump will be 47.

 

[shonuff253]

He's going to do it whether women like it or not.

 

[atlanta cock#]

He's going to do it whether women like it or not.

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Trump will be 47.

 

[Booneville Dawg]

Trump will be 47.

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45% of all voters polled said the economy was their #1 issue in this election

 

[poorpreacher]

It's time to turn the page on hate and division.

 

[willdup]

Trump will be 47.

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So deporting many of the people who actually build houses is going to help home prices in what way?

And my people told me about four weeks ago, I was saying, “No, I want to protect the people. I want to protect the women of our country. I want to protect the women.”

“Sir, please don’t say that.”

“Why?”

They said, “We think it’s, we think it’s very inappropriate for you to say.”

I said, “Why? I’m president. I want to protect the women of our country.”

They said [APPLAUSE], they said, “Sir, I just think it’s inappropriate for you to say.”

pay these guys a lot of money. Can you believe it? And I said, “Well, I’m going to do it whether the women like it or not. I’ve gotta protect them. I’m gonna protect them from migrants coming in. I’m gonna protect them from foreign countries that wanna hit us with missiles and lots of other things.”

‘I’m Gonna Do It Whether the Women Like It or Not’: Trump Vows to Keep Saying Line Aides Told Him Not to Say

Former President Donald Trump said he will keep repeating one of his favorite campaign lines, aides' advice be damned. In rally after rally, he has claimed that he will protect women. Last month, for example, Trump addressed women in a particularly strange way. "You will no longer be abandoned...

www.mediaite.com

All while dressed as a garbage man, face a new and darker side of orange/brown and struggling to grab a door handle and get in a truck.

Wild times.

 

[Papapete11]

Like all those illegals are the economy. Come on. And I'm sure your sporty self just hops right up into the cah like it's your day job. You are weird Dude. Calling out the way he gets into the truck. Trump got you messed up YYYUUUGGGEEEE!

 

[shonuff253]

So deporting many of the people who actually build houses is going to help home prices in what way?


All while dressed as a garbage man, face a new and darker side of orange/brown and struggling to grab a door handle and get in a truck.

Wild times.

Yes this is how MAGA views Trump...crazy🤪

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

So deporting many of the people who actually build houses is going to help home prices in what way?


All while dressed as a garbage man, face a new and darker side of orange/brown and struggling to grab a door handle and get in a truck.

Wild times.

At least you admit we should ignore laws and abuse people from other counties by underpaying them to make our lives easier.

 

[55dawg]

Trump will be 47.

He’s going to need at least 8 years to fix this mess. Maybe he’ll declare himself a dictator. .

 

[atlanta cock#]

So deporting many of the people who actually build houses is going to help home prices in what way?


All while dressed as a garbage man, face a new and darker side of orange/brown and struggling to grab a door handle and get in a truck.

Wild times.

So you have no sense of humor AND you support open borders. I'm getting the picture.

 

[JackRussellDawg]

Yes this is how MAGA views Trump...crazy🤪

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He must work out a lot.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

He’s going to need at least 8 years to fix this mess. Maybe he’ll declare himself a dictator. .

He's going to bomb the view, outlaw interracial marriages and lock opponents up in internment camps. He's not Hitler, he's da debil.

 

[litedawg1968]

Yes this is how MAGA views Trump...crazy🤪

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Did the parody account part slip by you, or were you too busy trying to figure out how to insert race into it but you gave up?

 

[litedawg1968]

So deporting many of the people who actually build houses is going to help home prices in what way?


All while dressed as a garbage man, face a new and darker side of orange/brown and struggling to grab a door handle and get in a truck.

Wild times.

Deflection and cope .

 

[shonuff253]

Trump and MAGA are just nailing it with their closing message to women.

Ladies don't go againt your hard working MAGA husband in the voting booth...🤌

 

[litedawg1968]

Trump and MAGA are just nailing it with their closing message to women.

Ladies don't go againt your hard working MAGA husband in the voting booth...🤌

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The Cheney family is responsible for more deaths than Atilla the Hun.

 

[willdup]

At least you admit we should ignore laws and abuse people from other counties by underpaying them to make our lives easier.

Ok, but you didn’t answer the question. How is deporting a significant number of the people who build housing going to reduce housing prices? How is deporting a significant number of the people who harvest our crops and otherwise support the food supply chain going to reduce grocery costs? You don’t answer because there is no answer, and the vast majority of economist agree it will increase costs.

Do you really think there are tens of thousands manual laborers sitting around looking for work and they are just priced out of the martket because of the undocumented? I’d like to see a study supporting that position.

As an aside, I find Trump supporters who selectively rage about law and order while working to get Trump back in office adorable. Please don’t stop.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Trump and MAGA are just nailing it with their closing message to women.

Ladies don't go againt your hard working MAGA husband in the voting booth...🤌

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A twat responds to a twit. Yes, by all means let's focus on shit that doesn't matter. Any day now I'm sure I'll hear Trump has women in binders since he's going to bomb the ladies on the view, outlaw interracial marriages, murder all women and open internment camps.

 

[ToddBburn]

Ok, but you didn’t answer the question. How is deporting a significant number of the people who build housing going to reduce housing prices? How is deporting a significant number of the people who harvest our crops and otherwise support the food supply chain going to reduce grocery costs? You don’t answer because there is no answer, and the vast majority of economist agree it will increase costs.

Do you really think there are tens of thousands manual laborers sitting around looking for work and they are just priced out of the martket because of the undocumented? I’d like to see a study supporting that position.

As an aside, I find Trump supporters who selectively rage about law and order while working to get Trump back in office adorable. Please don’t stop.

By not paying the thousands of dollars while they do not pay any taxes will help in one way to bring down inflation. That is such a simplistic remark to focus on that one aspect. You do not truly care about the solution you only care about Trump not being the president. The preoccupation of keeping Trump from the white house has taken the divide between the parties to the extreme. The left acts like they are the intellectual ones and yet they have been made simpleminded by a person who should a voter and not the Republican candidate. The lefts preoccupation and vitriol has made him the candidate. This is what you cannot see for yourself and why so many others are siding with Trump. The methods, the messaging, the overall disdain for him and anyone who could vote for him has now become so apparent and obvious to many.

 

[willdup]

By not paying the thousands of dollars while they do not pay any taxes will help in one way to bring down inflation. That is such a simplistic remark to focus on that one aspect. You do not truly care about the solution you only care about Trump not being the president. The preoccupation of keeping Trump from the white house has taken the divide between the parties to the extreme. The left acts like they are the intellectual ones and yet they have been made simpleminded by a person who should a voter and not the Republican candidate. The lefts preoccupation and vitriol has made him the candidate. This is what you cannot see for yourself and why so many others are siding with Trump. The methods, the messaging, the overall disdain for him and anyone who could vote for him has now become so apparent and obvious to many.

You didn't address the issue at hand, which is how deporting millions of undocumented workers is going to impact the cost of housing and food. Given that food and housing costs seem to be the number one concern of voters, and Trump's primary policy planks that we hear about most consistently are mass deportations and tariffs, I'm trying to understand how the policies will drive the desired outcomes.

Did you know that undocumented workers actually pay billions of dollars per year in federal, state and local taxes? Probably not.

From a recent study:

Key Findings​

• Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
• Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
• At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
• Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.
• Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance.
• Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities.

Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase.

itep.org

 

[litedawg1968]

You didn't address the issue at hand, which is how deporting millions of undocumented workers is going to impact the cost of housing and food. Given that food and housing costs seem to be the number one concern of voters, and Trump's primary policy planks that we hear about most consistently are mass deportations and tariffs, I'm trying to understand how the policies will drive the desired outcomes.

Did you know that undocumented workers actually pay billions of dollars per year in federal, state and local taxes? Probably not.

From a recent study:

Key Findings​

• Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
• Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
• At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
• Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.
• Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance.
• Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities.

Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase.

itep.org

Ok now tell us how much they cost us in social services, education and health care.

 

[zingerdawg]

New number one costume for tonight. Garbage truck vest or garbage bag. It will be all people around the country are talking about. They will be laughing. Kids and adults will be wearing them to parties.

They won’t be talking about lying to their husbands and voting for Kamala. They won’t be talking about a lady who got five million. Who has a cat named vagina and unsuccessfully accused 21 other people of sexual assault. Or the lying ad, that trump will monitor pregnancies and propose a national abortion ban. Anyone on the left believe that ad too? Or do we have a brain.

They will be talking about the president calling Americans garbage. Love seeing the cover up. “You can clearly hear an apostrophe there!” First time I have ever heard someone could hear an apostrophe. Jean Pierre and her infinite wisdom. “He didn’t actually say that. He clarified what he said”. You can’t make this shit up. Just curious if Will and sho will give any candy to the kids wearing vests or garbage bags tonight.

 

[jlstone412]

Ok now tell us how much they cost us in social services, education and health care.

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

You didn't address the issue at hand, which is how deporting millions of undocumented workers is going to impact the cost of housing and food. Given that food and housing costs seem to be the number one concern of voters, and Trump's primary policy planks that we hear about most consistently are mass deportations and tariffs, I'm trying to understand how the policies will drive the desired outcomes.

Did you know that undocumented workers actually pay billions of dollars per year in federal, state and local taxes? Probably not.

From a recent study:

Key Findings​

• Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
• Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
• At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
• Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.
• Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance.
• Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities.

Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase.

itep.org

The key with housing is interest rates. The reason they are high is that the fed has had to respond to rampid inflation caused in large part by government spending. Rent inflation in particular gets juiced by the influx of tens of millions of new renters from the border. No?

If you bring inflation down, interest rates follow, freeing up supply of both new homes as it becomes more feasible for builders, and existing homes as sellers will feel better about trading out their existing low rate for something maybe higher but more reasonable than the 7 percent today.

Housing unaffordability is about interest rates buddy. Even if the unlevered home price doesn’t change at all, a 150 bps decrease in rates translates to $10k+ of annual savings for most homebuyers. Deporting criminals does nothing to make things less affordable.

 

[Lava-Man]

He's going to do it whether women like it or not.

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Also, in regards to the Mississippi case, women can "can get an abortion due to rape or if the pregnancy is causing life-threatening conditions. But the girl and her mother were unaware of the exception."

It's exactly misinformation scare tactics like you provided from the Harris campaign that leads to ignorance of the law.

 

[shonuff253]

If Harris wins and it's because women swung heavily toward Harris I wonder if we'll see a rise in the MAGA divorce rate 🤔

 

[litedawg1968]

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

• We preliminarily estimate that the illegal immigrant population grew to 12.8 million byOctober of 2023, up 2.6 million since January 2021, when the president took office. Thisis the net increase in the illegal population based on monthly Census Bureau data,

Using the National Academies’ estimate of immigrants’ net fiscal impact by educationlevel, we estimate that the lifetime fiscal drain (taxes paid minus costs) for each illegal immigrant is about $68,000, although this estimate comes with some caveats.

Illegal immigrants make extensive use of welfare. Based on government data, we estimate that 59 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants use one or more major welfare programs, compared to 39 percent of households headed by the U.S.-born

Based on their use rate of major welfare programs, we estimate that illegal immigrant receive $42 billion in benefits, or about 4 percent of the total cost of the cash, Medicaid,food and housing programs examined in our study. However, this is only a rough approximation due to limitations in the data.

Illegal immigrants do pay some taxes. We estimate that illegal immigrants in 2019 paid roughly $5.9 billion in federal income tax, $16.2 billion in Social Security tax and $3.8billion in Medicaid taxes. However, as the net fiscal drain of $68,000 per person cited above indicates, these taxes are not nearly enough to cover the cost of the services they receive.


Wow, did you actually mean to post this? Because according to this they are a NET DRAIN of $68,000 per illegal.

So lets say that 10 million have come in just for fun. 10,000,000 X $68,000 = $68,000,000,000.

 

[willdup]

The key with housing is interest rates. The reason they are high is that the fed has had to respond to rampid inflation caused in large part by government spending. Rent inflation in particular gets juiced by the influx of tens of millions of new renters from the border. No?

If you bring inflation down, interest rates follow, freeing up supply of both new homes as it becomes more feasible for builders, and existing homes as sellers will feel better about trading out their existing low rate for something maybe higher but more reasonable than the 7 percent today.

Housing unaffordability is about interest rates buddy. Even if the unlevered home price doesn’t change at all, a 150 bps decrease in rates translates to $10k+ of annual savings for most homebuyers. Deporting criminals does nothing to make things less affordable.

So, inflation is almost back to the Fed target, GDP growth is projecting above consensus expectations, and our economy is outperforming the other developed economies.



I know you are in the real estate. Have you seen what it costs to build a house now, absent interest rates? Will reduced workforce supply and more tariffs on imported good's decrease or increase costs?

 

[jlstone412]

• We preliminarily estimate that the illegal immigrant population grew to 12.8 million byOctober of 2023, up 2.6 million since January 2021, when the president took office. Thisis the net increase in the illegal population based on monthly Census Bureau data,

Using the National Academies’ estimate of immigrants’ net fiscal impact by educationlevel, we estimate that the lifetime fiscal drain (taxes paid minus costs) for each illegal immigrant is about $68,000, although this estimate comes with some caveats.

Illegal immigrants make extensive use of welfare. Based on government data, we estimate that 59 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants use one or more major welfare programs, compared to 39 percent of households headed by the U.S.-born

Based on their use rate of major welfare programs, we estimate that illegal immigrant receive $42 billion in benefits, or about 4 percent of the total cost of the cash, Medicaid,food and housing programs examined in our study. However, this is only a rough approximation due to limitations in the data.

Illegal immigrants do pay some taxes. We estimate that illegal immigrants in 2019 paid roughly $5.9 billion in federal income tax, $16.2 billion in Social Security tax and $3.8billion in Medicaid taxes. However, as the net fiscal drain of $68,000 per person cited above indicates, these taxes are not nearly enough to cover the cost of the services they receive.


Wow, did you actually mean to post this? Because according to this they are a NET DRAIN of $68,000 per illegal.

So lets say that 10 million have come in just for fun. 10,000,000 X $68,000 = $68,000,000,000.

Yes I did mean post it and purposefully left off any comment or context because the report is pretty fair in outlining 2 issues:

1: Illegal immigrants do in fact utilize welfare programs, but not some astronomical amount as some would say (they numbers you bolded are LIFETIME fiscal drain numbers, not annual numbers).

2: immigrants are actually paying taxes at a fairly decent clip, so to assume that all are a drag on the economy and the US tax payer is patently false. Also, the report goes on to state that they are a net positive to social security and Medicare given pay more into those programs than they receive due to eligibility requirements that some do not meet.

The report concludes the primary reason for the net drain is not due to fraud or moving here for the services...it's the due to their relatively low education levels, which in turn precludes them from earning a better living so they can pay more taxes and not be a net drain on public assistance programs.

Overall, I thought it was a very down the middle report with enlightening context and was just providing since you asked the question (ibwas curious to the answer myself). Didn't intend to imply that they don't use the programs. Just helping answer your question.

 

[litedawg1968]

Yes I did mean post it and purposefully left off any comment or context because the report is pretty fair in outlining 2 issues:

1: Illegal immigrants do in fact utilize welfare programs, but not some astronomical amount as some would say (they numbers you bolded are LIFETIME fiscal drain numbers, not annual numbers).

2: immigrants are actually paying taxes at a fairly decent clip, so to assume that all are a drag on the economy and the US tax payer is patently false. Also, the report goes on to state that they are a net positive to social security and Medicare given pay more into those programs than they receive due to eligibility requirements that some do not meet.

The report concludes the primary reason for the net drain is not due to fraud or moving here for the services...it's the due to their relatively low education levels, which in turn precludes them from earning a better living so they can pay more taxes and not be a net drain on public assistance programs.

Overall, I thought it was a very down the middle report with enlightening context and was just providing since you asked the question (ibwas curious to the answer myself). Didn't intend to imply that they don't use the programs. Just helping answer your question.

It was a solid answer and the report is revealing. I honestly thought more Americans than 35% had some education more than high school.

Also, NYC spending $12 billion on immigrants in the next 3 years is staggering. For a City/ State w already high taxes and wealthy people moving or using another home as their main home, I dont see how they can make that up. I see why Adams has pushed back on this, Im not sure what hes supposed to do?

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

Ok, but you didn’t answer the question. How is deporting a significant number of the people who build housing going to reduce housing prices? How is deporting a significant number of the people who harvest our crops and otherwise support the food supply chain going to reduce grocery costs? You don’t answer because there is no answer, and the vast majority of economist agree it will increase costs.

Do you really think there are tens of thousands manual laborers sitting around looking for work and they are just priced out of the martket because of the undocumented? I’d like to see a study supporting that position.

As an aside, I find Trump supporters who selectively rage about law and order while working to get Trump back in office adorable. Please don’t stop.

I don't know why you're asking that question because deporting illegals isn't for the purpose of lowering housing costs.

Further, housing costs have risen with whatever labor is available so using illegals certainly hasn't prevented significant increases over the years.

So to answer your question, I don't think deporting illegals would lower housing costs.

Now that said, we need to get a handle on border security and we should have a more humane approach to dealing with illegals already here, in particular the multigenerational families who are now as firmly rooted in our society any legal citizens.

I openly acknowledge that there are some very good people here illegally who are already contributors to society and would be great full citizens. I'm all for people who want to work and provide for their family without hurting others. Those people shouldn't be handled the same way as violent criminals.

To that end, plenty of US citizens ain't worth a damn beyond their human worth (I'll at least acknowledge that much) and those people need to be dealt with too.

 

[jdwalker]

How much do illegal immigrants cost the U.S.?

The U.S. sees $150.7 billion yearly cost from illegal immigration, with policy shifts increasing taxpayer burden.

www.newsweek.com

 

[ClydeDawg]

And my people told me about four weeks ago, I was saying, “No, I want to protect the people. I want to protect the women of our country. I want to protect the women.”

“Sir, please don’t say that.”

“Why?”

They said, “We think it’s, we think it’s very inappropriate for you to say.”

I said, “Why? I’m president. I want to protect the women of our country.”

They said [APPLAUSE], they said, “Sir, I just think it’s inappropriate for you to say.”

pay these guys a lot of money. Can you believe it? And I said, “Well, I’m going to do it whether the women like it or not. I’ve gotta protect them. I’m gonna protect them from migrants coming in. I’m gonna protect them from foreign countries that wanna hit us with missiles and lots of other things.”

‘I’m Gonna Do It Whether the Women Like It or Not’: Trump Vows to Keep Saying Line Aides Told Him Not to Say

Former President Donald Trump said he will keep repeating one of his favorite campaign lines, aides' advice be damned. In rally after rally, he has claimed that he will protect women. Last month, for example, Trump addressed women in a particularly strange way. "You will no longer be abandoned...

www.mediaite.com

Your next President.

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

So, inflation is almost back to the Fed target, GDP growth is projecting above consensus expectations, and our economy is outperforming the other developed economies.

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I know you are in the real estate. Have you seen what it costs to build a house now, absent interest rates? Will reduced workforce supply and more tariffs on imported good's decrease or increase costs?

Inflation rate is back to fed target, but mortgage rates are more than 2x what they were in 2021, which combined with taxes and insurance, make typical first time home ownership twice as expensive even if the actual price of the house is the same. This isn't a wonky debate about 10%'ish increase in home ownership costs. It is literally double! We can argue why that is, and I will admit it isn't totally due to Biden / Harris, but the mathematical facts regarding home ownership today versus 2021 are staggering. In other words, the fact that core PCE is back to 2% sounds great, but it is doing nothing for a first-time homebuyer....not yet anyway.

Construction costs slowly but steadily rose post GFC; from 2009 - 2021, and then they just skyrocketed. They have since flattened. Here's why:

Construction costs even in environments without hyper-inflation always go up until there is a slow-down. Even when costs of lumber, etc. go down, the total construction costs never seem to follow....it usually just pads GC margins. That is until they begin to feel it in terms of slow-down and their pipeline of projects.

Here's the problem - even though there has been a material slowdown in the pipelines for GC's on the housing front - both single and multifamily, construction costs have not come down, in large part because there is so much large-scale spending on public projects and data centers.

I understand the argument behind reduced labor force and costs, but I'm telling you that's not the issue. We need better financial conditions to boost supply. Supply is the problem. And interest rates are reason 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 in terms of why there is not enough supply:

-Existing homeowners won't give up their cheap mortgage = low supply

-Homebuilders can't pencil new construction because their ultimate buyer can't afford a home with 7% interest = low supply

-Multifamily builders can't finance their projects because the capitalized value of their stabilized asset is worth materially less given the higher interest rates an institutional buyer of that project will have to stomach in order to buy it. = low supply.

The problem with fed logic is that they are elevating interest rates as a means to bring down inflation, a huge part of which is housing inflation. The problem with that is that in doing so, they are actually limiting both the supply of new construction (less feasible with high interest rates), and the supply of existing inventory for sale, as owners who are locked into 3% mortgages don't want to sell, lest they lose that cheap mortgage (a valuable asset) and replace it with a 6%-7% mortgage on their next home.

 

[ToddBburn]

You didn't address the issue at hand, which is how deporting millions of undocumented workers is going to impact the cost of housing and food. Given that food and housing costs seem to be the number one concern of voters, and Trump's primary policy planks that we hear about most consistently are mass deportations and tariffs, I'm trying to understand how the policies will drive the desired outcomes.

Did you know that undocumented workers actually pay billions of dollars per year in federal, state and local taxes? Probably not.

From a recent study:

Key Findings​

• Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
• Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
• At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
• Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.
• Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance.
• Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities.

Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase.

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Are you serious?
I really don’t think the numbers game will go like you want. They are a drain on our system financially and if they were vetted and documented appropriately then we might agree somewhat.
Let’s assume 10 million have enter this country since the restrictions were lifted in 2020. How much do you think has been spent on average per year for undocumented immigrants. I would say $10,000 is on the low end. So that means the cost to the federal government alone would be 130 billion. Not to mention all of the other costs that would be attributed to them. That is just the tip of the iceberg.
By them being here alone they a driving up the cost of housing because they are contributing to the housing shortage. This in my opinion is a stupid argument.

 

[Georgia Jim]

Ok, but you didn’t answer the question. How is deporting a significant number of the people who build housing going to reduce housing prices? How is deporting a significant number of the people who harvest our crops and otherwise support the food supply chain going to reduce grocery costs? You don’t answer because there is no answer, and the vast majority of economist agree it will increase costs.

Do you really think there are tens of thousands manual laborers sitting around looking for work and they are just priced out of the martket because of the undocumented? I’d like to see a study supporting that position.

As an aside, I find Trump supporters who selectively rage about law and order while working to get Trump back in office adorable. Please don’t stop.

We're just Adorable Deplorables I guess.

 

[atlanta cock#]

He's going to bomb the view, outlaw interracial marriages and lock opponents up in internment camps. He's not Hitler, he's da debil.

FDR locked up Japs in internment camps.

 

[Cayle16]

So deporting many of the people who actually build houses is going to help home prices in what way?


All while dressed as a garbage man, face a new and darker side of orange/brown and struggling to grab a door handle and get in a truck.

Wild times.

May as well. Letting them come in by the millions doesn’t seem to helping anything.