I call him Harold. We've been gaying it up big time.Noticing some homo-robotic undertones here “messing around” with ChatGPT.
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I call him Harold. We've been gaying it up big time.Noticing some homo-robotic undertones here “messing around” with ChatGPT.
I’m not diminishing his accomplishments or trying to get into politics. Elon, however, speaks out of both sides of his mouth regularly. Perhaps it’s a strategy to throw off competitors. Or an attempt at grandly fulfilling the axiom that a stopped clock is right twice a day. Personally, I think the guy loves attention and massive corporate success doesn’t meet the needs of his ID.I knew it would be a contentious name to drop, but he isn't the only one who feels this way. And yes, he has skin in the game. But whether or not he's being truthful, doesn't mean he isn't more keen on this stuff than almost all the public, albeit, his stance almost certainly jibes with his interests. But I don't think he's necessarily lying about the problems.
But let's not let political leanings obscure the fact that there are obvious perils. Plagiarism, incriminating the innocent... on top of pasturizing the ability of people to flesh out ideas on their own, or write them.
Most sensible post in the thread.Let me preface this with, I’m just a simple dude from small town GA and not super intelligent. So please spare me any condescending “you just don’t understand it” posts, because you’re right, I don’t. Even as a millennial, I tend to buck technology. Having said all this, I don’t like this AI shit one bit
He can turn it around. But the initial months haven’t been good. Twitter blue isn’t generating nearly the revenue he’s stating (as tech reporters have gleaned from the API); he’s diminishing much of the major utility such as emergency response; and judging by the quality of advertisements I see, he hasn’t convinced blue-chip companies to return. I’m still an addict for it, but I don’t see any signs that his actions, other than cutting costs, has made the company viable. And the cut costs are far outweighed by the massive $1.4 billion annual debt interest payment he strapped to the company to buy it.I agree there. If he started on third base, he's circled the bases again about a thousand times.
I'm starting to come across as an Elon fan, but I promise I'm more ambivalent. It's also early in the game for Twiitter for him. The billions lost were out of the gate (he's since laid off enough employees to almost keep the company solvent), because he took a strong stance on free speech from the outset (and the speech on Twitter wasn't very free, and he bet on a sector of the public that feels that way). I think it's way too early to call the venture a failure. Taking that stance was defintiely going to piss off some people with deep pockets. He knew that from the outset.
He can turn it around. But the initial months haven’t been good. Twitter blue isn’t generating nearly the revenue he’s stating (as tech reporters have gleaned from the API); he’s diminishing much of the major utility such as emergency response; and judging by the quality of advertisements I see, he hasn’t convinced blue-chip companies to return. I’m still an addict for it, but I don’t see any signs that his actions, other than cutting costs, has made the company viable. And the cut costs are far outweighed by the massive $1.4 billion annual debt interest payment he strapped to the company to buy it.
My company’s advertising firm used to describe traditional digital advertising as convincing consumers to buy your products, Facebook ads as convincing your family/friends to urge you to buy something, instagram as convincing influencers to make you buy something, and twitter as high-priced PR. The twitter market wasn’t the individual user but exposing large-platform individuals—journalists, celebrities, etc—to learn about your product and potentially create free exposure on their platform (e.g., write a puff piece). Our ROI on twitter in pure dollar-to-dollar metrics was low relative to the others—but it did land a few news articles for us.
Elon appears to be converting it to a product for the masses, not the few. It has driven away some prominent voices or reduced their participation (many who’ve been performative in their departure). That may be right conceptually, but it eliminates twitter’s prior model, which sold access to individuals you can’t reach otherwise. And twitter was profitable in both 2019 and 2020. It was an unrealized asset, but I don’t see what Elon has done to date as good business.
The bad will outweigh the good. Won’t be close.AI is coming. A few things you can expect:
Negatives
Huge negative impact on low-level white collar jobs
Will be exploited to create false news, false news stories, and deep fakes.
Deep fakes could impact voting swings etc.
Deep fakes will result in nonconsensual abuses of nudes/fake porn. I fear for our daughters.
Dangerous hacking and financial exploitation.
Will be exploited by authoritarian governments to limit freedoms and spy on their populations.
Positives
Rapid scientific and medical advances
Create new jobs that do not currently exist
Transform the way we learn, communicate, and work.
Create more leisure time.
Create collaboration opportunities across spectrums of the workforce.
Challenges
Can we avoid injecting politics into this and apply common sense regulation and controls?
Can our nation protect us from bad state actors who wish to deploy this technology against us?
Bingo. This is exactly how I see what's happened. I have a twitter account I opened many years ago, but I never really enjoyed it all that much and rarely use it. For whatever reason, it doesn't do it for me. So I don't really care one way or the other about Twitter's fate. That said, having more Elon Musk opinions in my face has been a net negative for me. It's clear he knows very little about many of the subjects he opines on.Yeah that’s the bottom line for me. He overpaid for it (after trying to get out of it because his bluff had been called) and then he has done nothing but lower it’s value while play acting about caring about things like free speech, etc.
Tend to agree with your premise, but only in our (humans’) tribal tendencies and primal urges. We ARE & always have been our biggest problem.T
The bad will outweigh the good. Won’t be close.
Maybe you’re tired of Elon fanboys which is fair - they are annoying. I do think there are a fair amount of people that overrate his intelligence, but to discount what he did with Tesla is a little much. I realize he didn’t start Tesla but with his leadership they majorly disrupted the auto industry. You’re definitely taking a shot haha and it’s okay. But don’t act like it’s not an opinion to call him a charlatan.It’s an easy shot to take because he is. You keep seeming to think I’m taking a personal or political shot. I’m not. I’m saying he’s a dude who was born into a fortune who has convinced people he’s a tech or business genius when he just simply is not when you look at what he’s done to twitter and the exploding cars
We will destroy ourselves in the end. The only question is how? AI is one possibility.Tend to agree with your premise, but only in our (humans’) tribal tendencies and primal urges. We ARE & always have been our biggest problem.
If Elon is opening his mouth (or tweeting) he is saying something for the benefit of Elon. He cares about nothing but himself because he is a narcissist. A manned trip to Mars is not for humanity, but for him to become the greatest inventor/intellectual mind ever.He can turn it around. But the initial months haven’t been good. Twitter blue isn’t generating nearly the revenue he’s stating (as tech reporters have gleaned from the API); he’s diminishing much of the major utility such as emergency response; and judging by the quality of advertisements I see, he hasn’t convinced blue-chip companies to return. I’m still an addict for it, but I don’t see any signs that his actions, other than cutting costs, has made the company viable. And the cut costs are far outweighed by the massive $1.4 billion annual debt interest payment he strapped to the company to buy it.
My company’s advertising firm used to describe traditional digital advertising as convincing consumers to buy your products, Facebook ads as convincing your family/friends to urge you to buy something, instagram as convincing influencers to make you buy something, and twitter as high-priced PR. The twitter market wasn’t the individual user but exposing large-platform individuals—journalists, celebrities, etc—to learn about your product and potentially create free exposure on their platform (e.g., write a puff piece). Our ROI on twitter in pure dollar-to-dollar metrics was low relative to the others—but it did land a few news articles for us.
Elon appears to be converting it to a product for the masses, not the few. It has driven away some prominent voices or reduced their participation (many who’ve been performative in their departure). That may be right conceptually, but it eliminates twitter’s prior model, which sold access to individuals you can’t reach otherwise. And twitter was profitable in both 2019 and 2020. It was an unrealized asset, but I don’t see what Elon has done to date as good business.
What about the wagon wheel industry?It is amazing what it can do but it's also not a good thing overall. A lot of people are going to lose their jobs in the future b/c of all these AI capabilities.
I know I'll get the condescending replies that "those people will just have to adapt" or "they'll have to go get a different job" etc. but people losing jobs is never a good thing.
I lost my fortune betting on buggy whips...What about the wagon wheel industry?
Lol man I’m not sure a dude who turned a $44b business into about a $40m one in less than a year is who I’m going listen to very much
The only good thing long term about chatgpt is that it should in theory cut down on the “good places to eat in Athens” and “places to watch the dawgs in x city/beach/3rd world country” posts.Every once in a while, I'll ask it something random to see how intuitive it is. Today here's what happened.
I asked it to tell me a joke about hemorrhoids in the style of Rodney Dangerfield, I got this.
"Hey, I tell ya, I got hemorrhoids that are like VIPs - they get all the attention and refuse to leave! I try to ignore 'em, but they're like a heckler at my comedy show, always making their presence known. They're like my annoying relatives, overstaying their welcome! I've tried every cream, ointment, and remedy known to man, but these hemorrhoids are like the gift that keeps on giving, and they ain't giving me nothin' but pain in the you-know-where. No respect, I tell ya, no respect!".
I've also told them to set the scene for "Woody Allen goes to a shrink about his anxiety", "Paul Lynde and Charles Nelson Reilly go to the Bunny Ranch" and "Andy Rooney visits a headshop". All scenes were set with shocking accuracy and humor.
@Saxondawg I'll bet you can ask it something quirky and specific. I'd be interested to see what you could ask it.
I may be remembering wrong but didn’t he try to back out because the amount of “users” aka “bots” was grossly underestimated?Yeah that’s the bottom line for me. He overpaid for it (after trying to get out of it because his bluff had been called) and then he has done nothing but lower it’s value while play acting about caring about things like free speech, etc.
I may be remembering wrong but didn’t he try to back out because the amount of “users” aka “bots” was grossly underestimated?
I just hope it results in some drastic improvements in medicine. Specifically currently incurable diseasesThe pros don’t seem nearly ‘pro’ enough to outweigh the risk.
He has another 160 billion or so. He’s not missing meals.That was his cover story yes. From all available evidence he made the initial bid assuming Twitter wouldn’t accept it and then freaked out when he realized he way overbid for it.
Are we talking about the guy who has a Tesla car flying around in orbit and who likes to launch world history’s most powerful rockets and then back them down to Earth?It’s an easy shot to take because he is. You keep seeming to think I’m taking a personal or political shot. I’m not. I’m saying he’s a dude who was born into a fortune who has convinced people he’s a tech or business genius when he just simply is not when you look at what he’s done to twitter and the exploding cars
He has another 160 billion or so. He’s not missing meals.
And, don’t bet against him … I’d bet he will get Twitter turned around. According to him, I know, I know, most advertisers are back. He got rid of 80% of the workforce which saves a ton. He could get the value back up. There are a few things competing with Twitter - Substack Note and Semaphore - but they aren’t ubiquitous like Twitter is.
100% true…It is amazing what it can do but it's also not a good thing overall. A lot of people are going to lose their jobs in the future b/c of all these AI capabilities.
I know I'll get the condescending replies that "those people will just have to adapt" or "they'll have to go get a different job" etc. but people losing jobs is never a good thing.
Remember how Elon acted when they wouldn’t/couldn’t use his mini submarine invention for the mine rescue? That has always stuck with meIt’s just a contentious name to drop because he’s a charlatan. There’s credible names to drop who aren’t charlatans.
I just need to know when Star Wars like droids will be available to do real workEvery once in a while, I'll ask it something random to see how intuitive it is. Today here's what happened.
I asked it to tell me a joke about hemorrhoids in the style of Rodney Dangerfield, I got this.
"Hey, I tell ya, I got hemorrhoids that are like VIPs - they get all the attention and refuse to leave! I try to ignore 'em, but they're like a heckler at my comedy show, always making their presence known. They're like my annoying relatives, overstaying their welcome! I've tried every cream, ointment, and remedy known to man, but these hemorrhoids are like the gift that keeps on giving, and they ain't giving me nothin' but pain in the you-know-where. No respect, I tell ya, no respect!".
I've also told them to set the scene for "Woody Allen goes to a shrink about his anxiety", "Paul Lynde and Charles Nelson Reilly go to the Bunny Ranch" and "Andy Rooney visits a headshop". All scenes were set with shocking accuracy and humor.
@Saxondawg I'll bet you can ask it something quirky and specific. I'd be interested to see what you could ask it.
Of course, but the upfront aspect of it won't matter if he pulls it off. In fact, it will make it look even more impressive.Sure he could turn it around. Or it could fail. Time will tell. Doesn’t change the upfront part of the story though. And he would be much better of hiring some one who knows that world to run the company instead of doing it himself.
No, it'll lead to more posts asking how to use chatgpt to find good places to eat or where to watch the Dawgs.The only good thing long term about chatgpt is that it should in theory cut down on the “good places to eat in Athens” and “places to watch the dawgs in x city/beach/3rd world country” posts.
Good stuff here.I don't know that much about it, but one thought and one use that crossed my path the other day:
1. I am not sure that AI is really AI. I mean it's not really intelligent, is it? Isn't it a huge and fast search engine that has access to the Internet and can search it really, really fast, and then pull information from it based on rules that have been written. If it isn't taking the rules and then changing them and updating them (scary) is it really intelligent. So, the whole AI thing seems off to me.
2. I am on the phone with a corporate counsel IT guy and he starts whipping out some batch code to fix an issue we were having. I go, damn, you know your batch code. He said, nah, just type it into ChatGPT and asked how to do what we needed the code to do. It laid it out. All that in about 30 seconds.
In the IT area it gets what it gets from sites like Stack Overflow (IT nerds will understand that). Once there is no need for Stack Overflow Internet sites, and people stop contributing the code and knowledge that it is using now, what does it then do?
Of course, but the upfront aspect of it won't matter if he pulls it off. In fact, it will make it look even more impressive.
Look at this way ... the more he is working on Twitter, this less he is messing up Tesla and SpaceX. Silver lining and all.
Of course, but the upfront aspect of it won't matter if he pulls it off. In fact, it will make it look even more impressive.
Look at this way ... the more he is working on Twitter, this less he is messing up Tesla and SpaceX. Silver lining and all.
Based the old Boat joke..Break out another Thousand....Space X rocket analogy. BOAB....Break out another Billion.....Based on today's news we definitely need more focus on SpaceX haha
Listened to a radio podcast about it....guy said it got really personal with him and chatgpt told him it loved him...over and over...really freaky. No telling what he asked it...I call him Harold. We've been gaying it up big time.
Prices cut again....and stock dropping today..If Elon is opening his mouth (or tweeting) he is saying something for the benefit of Elon. He cares about nothing but himself because he is a narcissist. A manned trip to Mars is not for humanity, but for him to become the greatest inventor/intellectual mind ever.
I am not saying this is bad, most highly successful people have similar qualities. I can look past his sophomoric antics because he is apparantly slightly on the Spectrum. However, he has screwed up Twitter to the point it is useless. Every second or third tweet is his own. I unfollowed him and now every second or third tweet is news about him.
Free speech? As long as you don't say ANYTHING remotely negative about him. Give it a try and enjoy your stay in Chile.
Lastly, a lot of very smart people have shorted Tesla stock because they believe his 10k/Q filings are not transparent and there is a hole in the balance sheet. Time will tell.