How is Requiring Voter ID even controversial?

[Pine_Tree1]

You need a government ID to buy some over the counter medications like Sudafed. You also usually need one for job applications, domestic flights, entering certain govt buildings, anything related to driving/DMV & social security, any type of government welfare program benefits, usually for renting or buying apartments/housing, usually for establishing bank accounts, checking into many hotels, buying tobacco or alcohol, picking up certain packages from USPS, entering certain venues or events like stadiums or casinos, registering for certain legal or medical services, many educational programs, applying for loans & credit, joining gyms, getting a fishing license, etc.

Basically it's very hard to navigate life without some kind of govt issued ID

But requiring proof of ID to cast a vote is a bridge too far?

 

[DallasDawg225]

Ya, you’d think that is something both side could easily agree to. Dems need those votes though!

I was listening to a dem on the news yesterday as the vote was happening. The host made the same point you did so he asked his dem guest on his show, why is it “bad” & the dem said “many young people new to voting often lose their id’s.” I 💩 you not! My wife & I just looked at each other & said “did he just say that?” 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[MRDAWG]

You need a government ID to buy some over the counter medications like Sudafed. You also usually need one for job applications, domestic flights, entering certain govt buildings, anything related to driving/DMV & social security, any type of government welfare program benefits, usually for renting or buying apartments/housing, usually for establishing bank accounts, checking into many hotels, buying tobacco or alcohol, picking up certain packages from USPS, entering certain venues or events like stadiums or casinos, registering for certain legal or medical services, many educational programs, applying for loans & credit, joining gyms, getting a fishing license, etc.

Basically it's very hard to navigate life without some kind of govt issued ID

But requiring proof of ID to cast a vote is a bridge too far?

The problem is that some want to require proof of citizenship. It makes sense but how many have access to their birth certificate or passport. Drivers license is a good idea.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

It makes sense but how many have access to their birth certificate

Any citizen that was born in the U.S. has access to their birth cert. If it's lost you only have to contact the vital records in your state. It's amazingly easy to prove citizenship in the U.S. and if it's for the purposes of voting, you'll find multitudes of people willing to help.

 

[BlessedDawg]

The problem is that some want to require proof of citizenship. It makes sense but how many have access to their birth certificate or passport. Drivers license is a good idea.

But, illegals can get drivers license. Some states only require a drivers license to vote so it opens up a whole new issue.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

But, illegals can get drivers license. Some states only require a drivers license to vote so it opens up a whole new issue.

Many states only require your signature to match your name. I can sign my name as Joe Dirt. Doesn't mean that's who I am.

At least a photo ID is one extra fail safe over some guy registering as 20 different names then just signing different names at each voting location

 

[bayrooster]

Any citizen that was born in the U.S. has access to their birth cert. If it's lost you only have to contact the vital records in your state. It's amazingly easy to prove citizenship in the U.S. and if it's for the purposes of voting, you'll find multitudes of people willing to help.

Also required to get a passport or a Real ID drivers license.

 

[poorpreacher]

The problem is that some want to require proof of citizenship. It makes sense but how many have access to their birth certificate or passport. Drivers license is a good idea.

What's wrong with proof of citizenship, in order to vote?

 

[Eastmandawg]

You need a government ID to buy some over the counter medications like Sudafed. You also usually need one for job applications, domestic flights, entering certain govt buildings, anything related to driving/DMV & social security, any type of government welfare program benefits, usually for renting or buying apartments/housing, usually for establishing bank accounts, checking into many hotels, buying tobacco or alcohol, picking up certain packages from USPS, entering certain venues or events like stadiums or casinos, registering for certain legal or medical services, many educational programs, applying for loans & credit, joining gyms, getting a fishing license, etc.

Basically it's very hard to navigate life without some kind of govt issued ID

But requiring proof of ID to cast a vote is a bridge too far?

they should require it.

but just a WAG here. believe I read that there is a segment of people that can't vote because of transportation and then you had covid. so mail in voting was allowed, hard to check an ID if you are mailing your vote in.

it's definitely an issue and hope I never see it again.

again, I am just guessing......throwing shat up against the wall to see what sticks, cause that is what happens here.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

they should require it.

but just a WAG here. believe I read that there is a segment of people that can't vote because of transportation and then you had covid. so mail in voting was allowed, hard to check an ID if you are mailing your vote in.

it's definitely an issue and hope I never see it again.

again, I am just guessing......throwing shat up against the wall to see what sticks, cause that is what happens here.

Mail in voting should be outlawed except in cases of military & special absentee cases. & For our history as a nation, it was

Election day should be a national holiday & no business should be allowed to prevent their employees from going to the polling station to cast a vote if they want.

Universal mail in voting is the outlier because of COVID. It should not be the new norm

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Mail in voting should be outlawed except in cases of military & special absentee cases. & For our history as a nation, it was

Election day should be a national holiday & no business should be allowed to prevent their employees from going to the polling station to cast a vote if they want.

Universal mail in voting is the outlier because of COVID. It should not be the new norm

Sounds nice but there are 10s of thousands of people that make a living by traveling or performing mandatory services like policing, medical services etc. The solutions are very simple and could be implemented quickly but aren't because it's all part of the divide and conquer strategy.

 

[cherrydawg]

Easier to cheat. It’s that simple. Dims can not win on ideas.

 

[Eastmandawg]

Mail in voting should be outlawed except in cases of military & special absentee cases. & For our history as a nation, it was

Election day should be a national holiday & no business should be allowed to prevent their employees from going to the polling station to cast a vote if they want.

Universal mail in voting is the outlier because of COVID. It should not be the new norm

"they should require it.".....agreeing, meaning they should be required. but think ALL voters should be required some sort of ID. A military ID would be acceptable imo, maybe you use a proxy to do it. You do it for one group, you do it for all.

"A national holiday"?......debatable. Some employers (few) do allow you to go vote. But others ask you to go vote in your off time. I agree with that, you just can't start shutting businesses down to go vote. Voters can get up early or do it on their way home from work.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

Easier to cheat. It’s that simple. Dims can not win on ideas.

Dems win on feelings, scare tactics, & skirting around the rules. Their policies rarely bring about positive long term change

 

[Pine_Tree1]

"they should require it.".....agreeing, meaning they should be required. but think ALL voters should be required some sort of ID. A military ID would be acceptable imo, maybe you use a proxy to do it. You do it for one group, you do it for all.

"A national holiday"?......debatable. Some employers (few) do allow you to go vote. But others ask you to go vote in your off time. I agree with that, you just can't start shutting businesses down to go vote. Voters can get up early or do it on their way home from work.

Most businesses don't recognize national holidays so it won't impact most businesses.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

Sounds nice but there are 10s of thousands of people that make a living by traveling or performing mandatory services like policing, medical services etc. The solutions are very simple and could be implemented quickly but aren't because it's all part of the divide and conquer strategy.

Then keep the system how it always was were some people could mail in vote. Universal mail in voting is new & idiotic idea

 

[Eastmandawg]

Most businesses don't recognize national holidays so it won't impact most businesses.

as a person that has ran more than one business in my lifetime, it does indeed affect a business if you shut them down to vote, if that is what you are saying.....maybe not all but it definitely does, let the free-market B free.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

as a person that has ran more than one business in my lifetime, it does indeed affect a business if you shut them down to vote if that is what you are saying.....maybe not all but it definitely does, let the free-market B free.

Ok then don't mandate companies let their workers vote during work time. I dgas honestly how each small business handles their affairs. Vote if you can but mail in voting should be outlawed once again fir most people.

 

[Eastmandawg]

Ok then don't mandate companies let their workers vote during work time. I dgas honestly how each small business handles their affairs. Vote if you can but mail in voting should be outlawed once again fir most people.

WHEW!.....that took a while, but you got there-

 

[doerunn]

The problem is that some want to require proof of citizenship. It makes sense but how many have access to their birth certificate or passport. Drivers license is a good idea.

This is the dims way of saying, "people of color are too stupid to get a license or birth certificate." Remember, according to one of their own, they dont know what a computer is.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Then keep the system how it always was were some people could mail in vote. Universal mail in voting is new & idiotic idea

Improvements could easily be made and also accommodate secure, early voting with mail in ballots accepted in very special circumstances. Motor voter and automatic registrations happen for a reason and it isnt to secure the vote.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

Improvements could easily be made and also accommodate secure, early voting with mail in ballots accepted in very special circumstances. Motor voter and automatic registrations happen for a reason and it isnt to secure the vote.

While I agreed but if having free, fair, & secure elections voters actually trust is the most important aspect of our nation, requiring voter IDs to keep that voter trust should also be of the utmost importance

 

[willdup]

Then keep the system how it always was were some people could mail in vote. Universal mail in voting is new & idiotic idea

Colorado has had universal mail in voting since 2013 and has never had an issue.

How many cases have we had of non-citizens voting illegally? According to the Heritage Foundation database of voter fraud cases in the US, there are 1,513 instances of voter fraud of all kinds going back to the 1980s. I didn’t find much in their database about non-citizens voting.

So what problem are we trying to solve?

 

[oldmandawg]

You need a government ID to buy some over the counter medications like Sudafed. You also usually need one for job applications, domestic flights, entering certain govt buildings, anything related to driving/DMV & social security, any type of government welfare program benefits, usually for renting or buying apartments/housing, usually for establishing bank accounts, checking into many hotels, buying tobacco or alcohol, picking up certain packages from USPS, entering certain venues or events like stadiums or casinos, registering for certain legal or medical services, many educational programs, applying for loans & credit, joining gyms, getting a fishing license, etc.

Basically it's very hard to navigate life without some kind of govt issued ID

But requiring proof of ID to cast a vote is a bridge too far?

Races.

 

[Eastmandawg]

Colorado has had universal mail in voting since 2013 and has never had an issue.

How many cases have we had of non-citizens voting illegally? According to the Heritage Foundation database of voter fraud cases in the US, there are 1,513 instances of voter fraud of all kinds going back to the 1980s. I didn’t find much in their database about non-citizens voting.

So what problem are we trying to solve?

Why am I not surprised….

 

[seatonsdawgs]

What's wrong with proof of citizenship, in order to vote?

That’s racist…

 

[GaBillDawg]

Many states only require your signature to match your name. I can sign my name as Joe Dirt. Doesn't mean that's who I am.

At least a photo ID is one extra fail safe over some guy registering as 20 different names then just signing different names at each voting location

Name 1 person that has done that.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

Name 1 person that has done that.

Cuz I know that info. What if I said my cousin. Would you buy it?

I'm sure those that get away with go about bragging to the newspapers

 

[GaBillDawg]

Cuz I know that info. What if I said my cousin. Would you buy it?

I'm sure those that get away with go about bragging to the newspapers

Someone would of turned someone in sometime if this was really a thing.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

Someone would of turned someone in sometime if this was really a thing.

It's an example but I guarantee it has happened. Every election season there is voter fraud. A lot of work it probably goes undetected.

You mean there's a way to influence decisions & representation at the local, county, state, and federal level? Yea, you know there will always be people who want to cheat the system

The Heritage Foundation has documented more than 1500 instances of voter fraud that were confirmed beyond a shadow of the doubt & reported. The actual number is likely multiples higher as voter fraud is very hard to prove & often hard to detect

It's also incredibly plausible

 

[GaBillDawg]

It's an example but I guarantee it has happened. Every election season there is voter fraud. A lot of work it probably goes undetected.

You mean there's a way to influence decisions & representation at the local, county, state, and federal level? Yea, you know there will always be people who want to cheat the system

The Heritage Foundation has documented more than 1500 instances of voter fraud that were confirmed beyond a shadow of the doubt & reported. The actual number is likely multiples higher as voter fraud is very hard to prove & often hard to detect

It's also incredibly plausible

Lol. You mean 1500 instances all time. And most are ineligible voters, that are convicted felons or just unregistered and possibly thought they were. I know they got the 7 Trump people that duplicate voted but that is all I have heard of.

 

[agentorange70]

Colorado has had universal mail in voting since 2013 and has never had an issue.

How many cases have we had of non-citizens voting illegally? According to the Heritage Foundation database of voter fraud cases in the US, there are 1,513 instances of voter fraud of all kinds going back to the 1980s. I didn’t find much in their database about non-citizens voting.

So what problem are we trying to solve?

House passes GOP bill requiring proof of citizenship to vote, boosting election-year talking point

The House has passed a bill requiring proof of U.S. citizenship for voter registration. It’s legislation Republicans have prioritized as an election-year talking point even as research shows noncitizens illegally registering and casting ballots in federal elections is exceptionally rare.

apnews.com

The Dems in the Senate will strike down any effort to deny voting rights to non-citizen newcomers,..they would prefer that it is a nebulous matter dependant on the whims of state and sanctuary cities

Rest assured no dem money will be spent to register ballots in areas known to have high level of illegal aliens,..dem integrity would disallow such an endeavor

 

[stray]

Colorado has had universal mail in voting since 2013 and has never had an issue.

How many cases have we had of non-citizens voting illegally? According to the Heritage Foundation database of voter fraud cases in the US, there are 1,513 instances of voter fraud of all kinds going back to the 1980s. I didn’t find much in their database about non-citizens voting.

So what problem are we trying to solve?

That's kind of like saying, we can count the number of speeding tickets written today to determine how many people were speeding.

 

[Eastmandawg]

That's kind of like saying, we can count the number of speeding tickets written today to determine how many people were speeding.

Or hiring someone at a retail place or bank without having any safeguards in place…..it can just be a free 4 all, “catch me if you can”

 

[willdup]

That's kind of like saying, we can count the number of speeding tickets written today to determine how many people were speeding.

I'd agree if there were some meaningful number of proven cases of non-citizens voting, but there aren't.

After the scrutiny of 2020, if it was a real issue, shouldn't we have found at least a few hundred cases? A hundred cases? Fifty cases? There just no proof that this is an actual problem.

 

[stray]

I'd agree if there were some meaningful number of proven cases of non-citizens voting, but there aren't.

After the scrutiny of 2020, if it was a real issue, shouldn't we have found at least a few hundred cases? A hundred cases? Fifty cases? There just no proof that this is an actual problem.

There zero excuse for not mandating an ID to vote. Most first world countries require an ID to vote including most of Europe.
Don’t we all want to be just like France? That’s what we are told every time the Dems point to some progressive program or nationalized health insurance?

 

[Don Ellis]

Doesn’t mean it can’t become a problem

Looks to me like our government is actually attempting to be proactive

What’s wrong with that?

 

[Eastmandawg]

Doesn’t mean it can’t become a problem

Looks to me like our government is actually attempting to be proactive

What’s wrong with that?

You just gotta trust them, you know…..just like illegals coming over and not being vetted.

No worries, none are criminals.

 

[MarcusBarcus]

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Colorado has had universal mail in voting since 2013 and has never had an issue.

How many cases have we had of non-citizens voting illegally? According to the Heritage Foundation database of voter fraud cases in the US, there are 1,513 instances of voter fraud of all kinds going back to the 1980s. I didn’t find much in their database about non-citizens voting.

So what problem are we trying to solve?

No one has ever shot anyone at the hospital where I work. They therefore should not have rules banning firearms. No one has ever stolen a newborn baby, either. Let’s just leave the doors unlocked.
There have been no problems, what’s with those rules to solve problems that don’t exist?

 

[Zonadog]

Colorado has had universal mail in voting since 2013 and has never had an issue.

How many cases have we had of non-citizens voting illegally? According to the Heritage Foundation database of voter fraud cases in the US, there are 1,513 instances of voter fraud of all kinds going back to the 1980s. I didn’t find much in their database about non-citizens voting.

So what problem are we trying to solve?

Colorado sent out 30,000 voter registration reminder cards to non-citizens in September of 2022. The mailing list came from a list of people with a Colorado driver's license, but no voter registration. There was nothing in their data query to prevent inclusion of non-citizens. This is done by the SoS office each voting cycle, but was only caught in 2022. SoS Jena Griswold said she was unaware of any of the 30,000 non-citizens registering to vote. Colorado began issuing driver's licenses to non-citizens in 2019.

Also in Colorado, in May of 2021 SoS Griswold advised each county clerk that Dominion personnel would be coming to update software in their voting systems. The clerks were ordered NOT to back up their systems prior to the software install. The "software update" removed all 2020 election data from the county systems - not a normal feature of a software update - just six months after the election.

Colorado allows "same day" registration, meaning you can register and vote on the same day. Once the ballot is cast, it cannot be retrieved or matched to a voter. In 2022, a Guatemalan refugee living in Colorado registered and voted at 3 voting station in Pueblo County, CO. The perpetrator was caught by an election watchdog group and reported to the Sheriff's Department. A Pueblo County deputy found the perpetrator at a local homeless center with 3 forged state I.D. cards, each with a fictitious name and an actual Pueblo County address. The deputy informed the Pueblo County Election board but was told all it could do was document the complaint.