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It’s all an act. They know they are wrong but do it anyway.
Dems do NOT care about rules, laws, etc... It's about the end result; therefore any MEANS necessary to achieve their desired goal. They could care less about precedent or existing law. They will just move the goalposts; ignore current law; or change the rules again. and again. and again.
So you don't deny prosecution was political?
Lots of difference between chanting lock her up and actually weaponizing the doj and using soros funded nit wits and highly manipulated applications of laws, to prosecute the opposition party candidate. You might try reading again without the tds glasses, the professor tells you all you need to know about the "selective" use of laws to punish your opposition and the second article points out the undeniable probability that its coming directly from the white house.
Or....trump could've not committed crimes. Stop making excuses for him.
Should not matter unless the gubment is willing to prosecute everyone w similar infractions.
And did they lock her up?? No but they sure as hell should have! She actually broke the law and Trump did not. But you guys don’t care about that, right??
If you support Biden then you are as responsible as he is for the rape and murders of multiple women and children by the illegals he’s invited into our country. A 12 year old today murdered by two illegal Venezuela scum bags. Anyone that votes for him this time knows he has Lois of blood on his hands due to his policies.
12 people disagree with you about trump...they are the only ones that matter here.
Just using the same logic here... if you voted for trump in '16 you are as responsible as he is for all the Americans that died from COVID.
Stop celebrating. Your side paid a porn star to come forward. Put him in a bad spot. He had no choice but to pay her off. Then amazingly you guys knew exactly what happened. Please tell me how you believe the law was doing their job here. This is dirty politics. Period. Only the naive and those with a low iq believe differently
If her story was false he wouldn't have had her paid. He did have a choice...you always have a choice. If he didn't have her paid he wouldn't be a convicted felon....plain and simple.
Moral of the story: dont reimburse your attorney for paying your mistress to keep quiet, and then log those reimbursements as "legal expenses" in your business records. And...don't fool around on your wife.
Not true at all. She changed her story 5 times since it happened. He didn’t change his. It was Trump. After the grab them comment, he had to pay her off. No one would have ever believed different. You got him. A good political win. But don’t act high and mighty. And damn sure don’t believe it was above board. That is crackhead level ignorance.
Which version of her story did you believe. The one where she said we had sex. That was it. Or the one where the porn star passed out during sex and couldn’t remember much other than him blocking the door. The one she told at the trial. Or the apparently completely inaccurate one written in her book. I am curious which version you preferred.
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He didn't have to pay her at all. He chose to. And his actions have consequences.
I don't have to believe her story. That doesn't change the fact he facilitated the transactions and had them logged incorrectly to hide the nature of the transactions. You're hung up on the wrong details here. If her story is false trump is an idiot for paying her.
No. You are hung up on believing this is not political dirty work. He could have chosen not to pay her off. It likely costs him the election. Just about every pundit has said this is the case. He chose to pay her off. And he won the election.
You don’t even know what the crimes were. You aren’t even stating them correctly which is hilarious. Get back to me when you finish what the crime actually was.
What the hell. I will help you. The records were considered falsified to conceal a scheme to corrupt the election.
Again, I will help you with the basics you struggle with here. Porn star paid off to come forward two weeks before an election. A scheme To effect the election if possible. Paid off to keep quiet. Then the man who paid off was convicted by a twisting of a law stating he was trying to conceal a scheme to corrupt an election. If you can’t see the irony or what actually happened there. I got nothing for you. Other than put down the crackpipe.
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If he wasnt running for president, there would be no felony charges. Thats the point insane people like you cant grasp.
you can't win against tds, nothing else maters to them. No law, no fairness, no truth, no honesty, no amount of corruption from their side, only get the orange man matters.
I will say this. The other lefties don’t even argue that take. There is no where to go. And it is 100 percent fact. She came forward to effect an election. Paid to do so. Then paid off not to effect an election. In turn, the payee was convicted of a scheme to effect an election. Circle jerks all over the country about this. Honestly, you can’t make this shit up Cherry. I readily admit he probably did a lot of things to deserve this karma. But the irony lost by the left with this whole case is truly mind blowing.
She literally tried to shake down the lefties who paid her cash to come forward. During the trial against Trump she lost, Dems turned their backs on her.
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You have some mighty twisted thinking. Always. it is always a but, but, but .. then a strange attempt at logic. Except it isn't. Just emotional outbursts like an 8 year old kicking their feet on the floor spewing non-sense. Trump DID shut down travel in US after ONE reported case. Do you remember that? Do you remember the evil Fauci originally said that wasn't necessary? Then changed his mind? Fauci knew what was coming. HE IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR 10s of thousands of American deaths. Do you remember the shortage of masks; defibrillators? Trump converted many factory production lines to get DME equipment to health facilities around the country in record time. In a few short weeks there was a surplus. You forgot about that didn't you. Do you remember he got military vessels up to NY because of their shortages? But again you had D. As- New York dims who did NOT USE those resources. Do you remember DiBlasio and Cuomo? They shut the elderly in time bomb incubators by forcing them to stay INSIDE the walls where the virus ran rampant. If I am not mistaken, the Michigan gov. did the same. There's where your blame is. LYING beurocrats, anti-americans, wanting to play GOD. Trump was not perfect. He get manipulated big-time by the major drum companies (might as well call them cartels as well). But he did get the vaccines out to the public faster than ANY other vaccine in history. FACT. Do you remember the dems, even Kamala Harris saying they would NOT take the vaccines? All because it was Trump that jump-started the whole process? The dims let political hatred govern their decision making. They still do. I personally believe there was also pre-meditated evil. The Virus came from CHINA!!! the lab that Fauci got millions in funding for through the NIH and lab in North Carolina. Trump was blindsided with the COVID virus. NOBODY knew the magnitude it would become. He made mistakes for sure. But everybody did. However, it was Dim policies that defied logic that contributed to deaths of Americans. Anway, I am glad we are not in the pandemic anymore. My brother did not make it (good health - younger than me - heart attack in his sleep). God bless you all!
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I doubt a Stanford Law Prof is in that crowd. I know for a fact that ppl like Alan Dershowitz and Mark Geragos, among many other liberals, believe the lawfare against Trump is wrong and will be reversed on appeal. Those guys definitely were never in the lock her up crowd.
I dont think trump's gets this reversed on appeal.
Mainly due to the fact that he is too involved as won't let his attorneys do their jobs. He hamstrings himself because he is a micromanager.
I have yet to see commentary from Dershowitz that is not slanted toward the defendant. He looks at cases through that lens. That's fine. I know plenty who view it differently than him.
You are correct sir! But I would change the word prosecute to persecute that’s what the dims are doing to Trump.
He paid the doorman, whose story about a "love child" was 100% false. The basis of your entire argument here is flawed.
How many other celebrities and/or politicians doing the exact same thing does it take to convince you that the mere act of paying for an NDA isn't indicative of any crime or act?
It is it just because Trump's name is attached?
He didn't pay for Stormy's NDA. Cohen did. He reimbursed Cohen. And logged it incorrectly in the books.
I dont think the others run it through their books the way trump did. That is issue #1 for trump. A sack of cash and this is a non issue.
Man you must have been right there when this went down. Can you please prove your accusation’s.
Ok. So cohen was the guy scheming to effect an election. You should have said so. Had it been to keep it from his wife. It is totally legal. lol.
Exactly. It would have cost a lot more than 130K to defend and would have had a negative impact on his business, family and campaign. These types of things are settled everyday in every state and Trump's team putting this behind them was the only sane move.
That neither contradicts what I posted, nor does it help the point you attempted to make, which I addressed.
You're changing the subject from your original point, which I successfully demonstrated the faulty logic in. Stay on target, acknowledge your error, or ignore it. I don't care.
Additionally, your "I don't think others..." is doing a heck of a lot of heavy lifting...especially considering how widespread that type of story-burying happened w/ a large number of "famous" clients, per David Pecker's testimony.
And let's not forget that Congress has a taxpayer funded $17,000,000 slush fund for member's NDA's. I guess since Trump paid his NDA with his own funds, non-taxpayer dollars, jlstone thinks it should amount to 34 felony charges.🤡
Damn, if what you are saying is true, the whole trial was a banana republic scam.
I'm going to extend an olive branch here and acknowledge I my error regarding whether stories that were purchased were true or not. I also misstated facts of the case and immediately contradicted myself. I stated trump would not have paid for false stories. That's incorrect...as trump didn't pay stormy....Cohen did. Apologies.
But...your logic is as flawed as mine. Trump didn't pay for Dinos false story. Pecker did.
I assume you are referring to the report that $17m was paid between 1997-2017 for claims against house members? If so, your point is grossly inaccurate...not all of those were "hush money" payments (some were, some weren't). If you are referring to something else, please point me to the $17m slush fund as I am not aware that one exists as you outline it.
In the same breath that folks get up in arms that trump was just paying legal expenses, they also claim he paid for the NDA. He never paid for the NDA. Never paid for it with his own money. Cohen did after coordinating with trump. Trump "reimbursed" Cohen and disguised those payments as "legal expenses". Those are facts of the case supported by evidence.
Everything I outlined is supported by the facts of this case and evidence. Cohen paid Stormy (on behalf of trump; but the money that went to stormy was never trumps money, it came from Cohens HELOC). Trump did not pay her a nickle; he paid Cohen. Cohen admitted to this and is supported by evidence.
On one hand, trump logged the payments to Cohen as "legal expenses", but on official government ethics forms in 2018 he attested that he "reimbursed" Cohen for "legal expenses". He even tweeted out in 2018 that he "reimbursed" Cohen.
If trump ACTUALLY paid Stormy, we don't have this issue. Paying her that close to the election likely has the same impact.... Trump wins.
Again....I hate this has been dubbed a hush money case because it's categorically incorrect. It's not illegal to pay for an NDA. I have never asserted that because that would be incorrect. It's also not illegal for someone else (Pecker/Cohen) to pay for the NDA. All good there too. It's when you get too cute and "disguise" the payments, erroneously log them in your books and fraudulently 1099 someone for an expense they incurred on your behalf....that's where you get into trouble. $130k to stormy from trump in check or cash and it's a non story. Trouble at home? Sure. Illegal? Not as I see it.
A reasonable person cannot argue that trump didn't know about it or wasn't involved because he built his career on micromanaging his company. Wrote a book or 2 about it: Review invoices....sign checks yourself... negotiate the best deal....don't trust anyone. So using his own words, it is quite easy to convince a jury that trump was involved and knew about all the scheming/logging of the expenses/what the $35k each month to Cohen was for considering how he lives day to day.
I am intrigued to see what grounds they outline for appeal. I doubt "lawfare" is grounds for appeal. He needs to show the judge ruled incorrectly on issues or that a statute is unconstitutional (this is his best shot in my opinion as I am in the camp that 2 things are true: the law is being applied correctly as written, but the law is flawed and likely needs to be ammended). He gets one shot at it so he better make it count. I don't like his odds though given his micromanaging track record.
