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Jeffrey Sachs on Tucker Carlson

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Long question, but this episode got me thinking. I'm not saying I believe this all, but I wanted to pass on briefly what was said in the interview. It’s a long interview, so I can’t possibly cliff note it all for yall. What if Israel is the aggressor in the Middle East, has been for the last 30 years, and is the reason we have been so involved in the ME? Their motivation being they want to be super power of the Middle East region.

I was listening to Tucker's podcast last night and he had a guy named Jeffrey Sachs on. He's been an economist for several years and has done a lot of work in the American government and internationally. He was saying some very damning things about America, Israel, and some European countries (mostly the intelligence communities of these countries that have pretty much gone rogue and don't answer to anyone). Mostly that we do Israel's bidding for them and we refuse to broker peace. Namely, Ukraine and Russia had a peace deal ready to go not long after their war started in 2022 but we told them to keep fighting. Also, Iran has wanted to make a peace deal and doesn't want nuclear weapons, but Israel won't accept peace; therefore, America won't accept peace. He was actually complementary of Trump and said Trump is the best chance for peace between Iran/Israel and Russia/Ukraine; however, the "deep state," essentially the intelligence communities in Israel, the US, Britain, and France are working against him. Religion was not mentioned, and so I think he’s probably ignoring one huge factor in the Middle East.

That's a lot, but it got me thinking. What if almost everything we have been told about the Middle East and Russia isn't true, and the US and Israel are actually the aggressors because of their rogue intelligence communities that have an agenda? It's hard to fathom it. But it also got me thinking, are we supposed to blindly support Israel regardless of what they do because we're Christian? I would say no, but it’s also extremely hard to know what’s true and what isn’t.

What do yall think?
 
I think it's obvious that if Israel laid down their arms, the would be eliminated within weeks. I don't think it's obvious that if Iran and their proxies laid down their arms, the ME would still be in a constant state of war.

Does Israel maintain a very aggressive military posture, sure. Of course if the U.S. had been shelled, victimized by terror plots and invaded as many times as Israel, I'm sure our population would demand an aggressive military as well. Obviously, the U.S. and Israel aren't perfect but Palestinians are able to live in peace inside Israel's borders. The Israelis have offered land for peace and only take territory when that strategic territory has been used to attack them. If Israel and the U.S. wanted to rule the ME, the ME would be under their rule now.
 
Long question, but this episode got me thinking. I'm not saying I believe this all, but I wanted to pass on briefly what was said in the interview. It’s a long interview, so I can’t possibly cliff note it all for yall. What if Israel is the aggressor in the Middle East, has been for the last 30 years, and is the reason we have been so involved in the ME? Their motivation being they want to be super power of the Middle East region.

I was listening to Tucker's podcast last night and he had a guy named Jeffrey Sachs on. He's been an economist for several years and has done a lot of work in the American government and internationally. He was saying some very damning things about America, Israel, and some European countries (mostly the intelligence communities of these countries that have pretty much gone rogue and don't answer to anyone). Mostly that we do Israel's bidding for them and we refuse to broker peace. Namely, Ukraine and Russia had a peace deal ready to go not long after their war started in 2022 but we told them to keep fighting. Also, Iran has wanted to make a peace deal and doesn't want nuclear weapons, but Israel won't accept peace; therefore, America won't accept peace. He was actually complementary of Trump and said Trump is the best chance for peace between Iran/Israel and Russia/Ukraine; however, the "deep state," essentially the intelligence communities in Israel, the US, Britain, and France are working against him. Religion was not mentioned, and so I think he’s probably ignoring one huge factor in the Middle East.

That's a lot, but it got me thinking. What if almost everything we have been told about the Middle East and Russia isn't true, and the US and Israel are actually the aggressors because of their rogue intelligence communities that have an agenda? It's hard to fathom it. But it also got me thinking, are we supposed to blindly support Israel regardless of what they do because we're Christian? I would say no, but it’s also extremely hard to know what’s true and what isn’t.

What do yall think?
Sachs is not a fan of Israel, so this is very on brand for him. I guess is a way, Israel wanting to me the ME "superpower" is logical because that is probably the best way for them to survive. Of course, they are the only ones with nukes over there so if they wanted to dominate all the other countries they could have done that all along. The silence from all the other ME countries is pretty telling. They don't want Iran with nukes either and are wanting Israel to finish the job. If they can destroy the theocrats running the country and return it to either a monarchy or a democracy that would be a huge advancement towards ME peace.
 
Sachs is not a fan of Israel, so this is very on brand for him. I guess is a way, Israel wanting to me the ME "superpower" is logical because that is probably the best way for them to survive. Of course, they are the only ones with nukes over there so if they wanted to dominate all the other countries they could have done that all along. The silence from all the other ME countries is pretty telling. They don't want Iran with nukes either and are wanting Israel to finish the job. If they can destroy the theocrats running the country and return it to either a monarchy or a democracy that would be a huge advancement towards ME peace.
One of the things that Sachs said is that Iran was democratically ran in the later years of the 20th century, but the CIA and Mossad caused a regime change. Similar to what happened in Ukraine, Libya, and Sudan.
 
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One of the things that Sachs said is that Iran was democratically ran in the later years of the 20th century, but the CIA and Mossad caused a regime change. Similar to what happened in Ukraine, Libya, and Sudan.
Well, he may be correct about that. In 1979 was the Iranian revolution. The monarchy was overthrown and replaced with a theocracy. So, did CIA have a hand in that, maybe? I don't know and even if they did, we are having to clean up the mess now. Yes, the Federal government has meddled in many countries with unintended consequences. Hopefully, we have all learned from our prior mistakes but I doubt it. Well, we have learned I just doubt our government leaders have.
 
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Well, he may be correct about that. In 1979 was the Iranian revolution. The monarchy was overthrown and replaced with a theocracy. So, did CIA have a hand in that, maybe? I don't know and even if they did, we are having to clean up the mess now. Yes, the Federal government has meddled in many countries with unintended consequences. Hopefully, we have all learned from our prior mistakes but I doubt it. Well, we have learned I just doubt our government leaders have.
I think it’s entirely possible that the intelligence agencies have far more power than they should, control more than they should, and have direct involvement in many of the world’s issues behind the scenes. But for what purpose and to what extent is the question. I’ve never heard of Sachs, so his points were surprising to hear by someone that did not “appear” to be a lunatic.
 
The only mistake Israel has made is not decimating these people sooner. Cucker carlson is absolutely pathetic. Wish he would go ahead and move to Russia, he can be neighbors with the weirdo Steven seagal, get all his groceries from the superior super markets there etc. sorry you wasted that much time listening to his propaganda.
 
The only mistake Israel has made is not decimating these people sooner. Cucker carlson is absolutely pathetic. Wish he would go ahead and move to Russia, he can be neighbors with the weirdo Steven seagal, get all his groceries from the superior super markets there etc. sorry you wasted that much time listening to his propaganda.
I have noticed he’s had a good bit of “conspiracy theorists” on his show and seems to be pretty pro Russia. But I also am not going to give the US a pass of innocence.
 
One of the things that Sachs said is that Iran was democratically ran in the later years of the 20th century, but the CIA and Mossad caused a regime change. Similar to what happened in Ukraine, Libya, and Sudan.
I haven't listened to the interview, but this would be pre-revolution. The Shah was supported by the West, and Operation Ajax in the 1950s was about overthrowing the elected government in support of the Shah.

This helped fertilize the soil that when you had the Islamic Revolution in 1979, a lot of the secular "intellectual class" was pro-revolution. (That did not end well for them.)
 
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Long question, but this episode got me thinking. I'm not saying I believe this all, but I wanted to pass on briefly what was said in the interview. It’s a long interview, so I can’t possibly cliff note it all for yall. What if Israel is the aggressor in the Middle East, has been for the last 30 years, and is the reason we have been so involved in the ME? Their motivation being they want to be super power of the Middle East region.

I was listening to Tucker's podcast last night and he had a guy named Jeffrey Sachs on. He's been an economist for several years and has done a lot of work in the American government and internationally. He was saying some very damning things about America, Israel, and some European countries (mostly the intelligence communities of these countries that have pretty much gone rogue and don't answer to anyone). Mostly that we do Israel's bidding for them and we refuse to broker peace. Namely, Ukraine and Russia had a peace deal ready to go not long after their war started in 2022 but we told them to keep fighting. Also, Iran has wanted to make a peace deal and doesn't want nuclear weapons, but Israel won't accept peace; therefore, America won't accept peace. He was actually complementary of Trump and said Trump is the best chance for peace between Iran/Israel and Russia/Ukraine; however, the "deep state," essentially the intelligence communities in Israel, the US, Britain, and France are working against him. Religion was not mentioned, and so I think he’s probably ignoring one huge factor in the Middle East.

That's a lot, but it got me thinking. What if almost everything we have been told about the Middle East and Russia isn't true, and the US and Israel are actually the aggressors because of their rogue intelligence communities that have an agenda? It's hard to fathom it. But it also got me thinking, are we supposed to blindly support Israel regardless of what they do because we're Christian? I would say no, but it’s also extremely hard to know what’s true and what isn’t.

What do yall think?
I'll answer this in as simple a way as I can:

1) If Iran / Hamas / Hezbollah / Houti's (aka Iran) put their weapons down, there would be peace in the Middle East.

2) If Israel put their weapons down, there would be no more jews in the Middle East.
 
What part of Carlson spewing Russian propaganda constantly is American first? Serious question.
Not sure how Tucker has anything to do with how Israel stole enriched uranium from America in the 60s but I digress.

Can you provide examples of Russian propaganda tucker has been spewing?
 
Not sure how Tucker has anything to do with how Israel stole enriched uranium from America in the 60s but I digress.

Can you provide examples of Russian propaganda tucker has been spewing?
Not interested in giving you a platform to defend him, spreading more lies and propaganda. I know you revel in being the one unabashed Christian nationalist who never gets called out on here, or at least very rarely, but have fun doing putins dirty work.
 
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Not interested in giving you a platform to defend him, spreading more lies and propaganda. I know you revel in being the one unabashed Christian nationalist who never gets called out on here, or at least very rarely, but have fun doing putins dirty work.
This reads exactly like a Facebook post you'd find from someone who attended a No Kings rally.
 
Not interested in giving you a platform to defend him, spreading more lies and propaganda. I know you revel in being the one unabashed Christian nationalist who never gets called out on here, or at least very rarely, but have fun doing putins dirty work.

I am a Christian Nationalist.

I also get called out here everyday lmao.

If you aren’t going to provide me what statements by Tucker you allege are Putin propaganda I don’t know how you expect me to respond.
 
The simple answer is Iran and Palestine are the two Arab countries left of any consequence that don’t have an understanding with Israel on trade and peace. Netanyahu: How’s the weather? Ayatollah: Death to Israel!
This suggests a level of one-sidedness in hostility that I don't think captures the broader geopolitical context.

It's not a defense of Iran or Hamas to point out that Israel has played in active role at keeping those relationships hot (in the case of Hamas, Israel's government preferred them to a more moderate Palestinian relationships because that was useful in undermining broader support for a two-state solution.)
 
One of the things that Sachs said is that Iran was democratically ran in the later years of the 20th century, but the CIA and Mossad caused a regime change. Similar to what happened in Ukraine, Libya, and Sudan.
Twice the cia has enacted regime change in Iran, the Iranian peolle have suffered because of it. Its another episode of the best enemy money can buy. Truth is both Israel and Iran need regime change. Bibi is a nasty power hungry zealot who's aspirations are clear in the greater Israel project. Bibi has about 30% approval rate at best, hes a war criminal and is using wars to stay in power.
 
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Long question, but this episode got me thinking. I'm not saying I believe this all, but I wanted to pass on briefly what was said in the interview. It’s a long interview, so I can’t possibly cliff note it all for yall. What if Israel is the aggressor in the Middle East, has been for the last 30 years, and is the reason we have been so involved in the ME? Their motivation being they want to be super power of the Middle East region.

I was listening to Tucker's podcast last night and he had a guy named Jeffrey Sachs on. He's been an economist for several years and has done a lot of work in the American government and internationally. He was saying some very damning things about America, Israel, and some European countries (mostly the intelligence communities of these countries that have pretty much gone rogue and don't answer to anyone). Mostly that we do Israel's bidding for them and we refuse to broker peace. Namely, Ukraine and Russia had a peace deal ready to go not long after their war started in 2022 but we told them to keep fighting. Also, Iran has wanted to make a peace deal and doesn't want nuclear weapons, but Israel won't accept peace; therefore, America won't accept peace. He was actually complementary of Trump and said Trump is the best chance for peace between Iran/Israel and Russia/Ukraine; however, the "deep state," essentially the intelligence communities in Israel, the US, Britain, and France are working against him. Religion was not mentioned, and so I think he’s probably ignoring one huge factor in the Middle East.

That's a lot, but it got me thinking. What if almost everything we have been told about the Middle East and Russia isn't true, and the US and Israel are actually the aggressors because of their rogue intelligence communities that have an agenda? It's hard to fathom it. But it also got me thinking, are we supposed to blindly support Israel regardless of what they do because we're Christian? I would say no, but it’s also extremely hard to know what’s true and what isn’t.

What do yall think?
Tucker is so cuckoo. He’s really lost it.

He went from being conservative to now being Alex Jones. Just nonsense.

Since when do supposed right wingers listen to Jeffrey freaking Sachs? This guy has a far left globalist view of 99% of all issues… But the one percent that aligns with Tucker Carlson, now I’m supposed to believe?

Definitely not calling you out Opie! The people need to think for themselves, instead of listening to what Podcasters do to get ratings
 
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I think it’s entirely possible that the intelligence agencies have far more power than they should, control more than they should, and have direct involvement in many of the world’s issues behind the scenes. But for what purpose and to what extent is the question. I’ve never heard of Sachs, so his points were surprising to hear by someone that did not “appear” to be a lunatic.
Sachs is a far-left kook. Maybe left of George Soros. Please listen to nothing this guy says.
 
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Tucker is so cuckoo. He’s really lost it.

He went from being conservative to now being Alex Jones. Just nonsense.

Since when do supposed right wingers listen to Jeffrey freaking Sachs? This guy has a far left globalist view of 99% of all issues… But the one percent that aligns with Tucker Carlson, now I’m supposed to leave?

Definitely not calling you out Opie! The people need to think for themselves, instead of listening to what Podcasters do to get ratings
I think it's incorrect to read Tucker platforming Sachs is driven by a desire by "ratings." I don't think he boosts his numbers in any meaningful way.

That being said, while I'm sympathetic to some of Sachs views that typically come up on Tucker's show, I do not know why he goes to Sachs for them when there are "better" voices to hit the same notes.
 
The simple answer is Iran and Palestine are the two Arab countries left of any consequence that don’t have an understanding with Israel on trade and peace. Netanyahu: How’s the weather? Ayatollah: Death to Israel!
There is no palestine. There are Jordanian Arabs who want kill the Hebrew people and take their land away from them.
 
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I think it's incorrect to read Tucker platforming Sachs is driven by a desire by "ratings." I don't think he boosts his numbers in any meaningful way.

That being said, while I'm sympathetic to some of Sachs views that typically come up on Tucker's show, I do not know why he goes to Sachs for them when there are "better" voices to hit the same notes.
Neither of us ever know what is inside the mind of Tucker Carlson. But he was a relatively main stream, relatively conservative, talk show personality… Who lost his job very suddenly and now all of a sudden he’s interviewing Vladimir Putin, and Jeffrey Sachs on the Internet. Insanely weird. He is full on Alex Jones now.
 
What is a Christian nationalist?
Summarized it means someone who believes that the government has a duty to honor God and therefore should be expressly implementing laws and taking action based on the Bible.


Essentially, it's the political viewpoint of every American prior to 1945. It's a call to return to Protestant American governance
 
Summarized it means someone who believes that the government has a duty to honor God and therefore should be expressly implementing laws and taking action based on the Bible.


Essentially, it's the political viewpoint of every American prior to 1945. It's a call to return to Protestant American governance
Not trying to start an argument with you, but I’m pretty sure founding fathers explicitly did not want our laws based on the Bible. Although most were Christian men themselves.

I’m not particularly religious myself, although I do think a lot of problems we deal with in our society are due to a decrease in religiosity.
 
This suggests a level of one-sidedness in hostility that I don't think captures the broader geopolitical context.

It's not a defense of Iran or Hamas to point out that Israel has played in active role at keeping those relationships hot (in the case of Hamas, Israel's government preferred them to a more moderate Palestinian relationships because that was useful in undermining broader support for a two-state solution.)
Thats not totally factual, as I am sure you know. This recent Israeli regime, yes thought Hamas would stoke more division w the PA than damage they could cause Israel, so they tolerated them governing. But prior admins offered the Arabs in Gaza and the WB their own state. They declined as they did numerous times prior
 
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