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Mac is auditioning as OC while Lilly is calling the plays in His second straight bowl game.
I question Richt's judgment in having named no assistants as of yesterday, but I think those 2 would be excellent hires, and they have both proved themselves to CMR.
 
HeulenHund2 said:
Mac is auditioning as OC while Lilly is calling the plays in His second straight bowl game.
I question Richt's judgment in having named no assistants as of yesterday, but I think those 2 would be excellent hires, and they have both proved themselves to CMR.
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I would be surprised if both had an OC role, because then you would have 3 there. Remember, CMR wants to get back to being very involved on offense and with qb.
 
AubreyTXDawg said:
I would be surprised if both had an OC role, because then you would have 3 there. Remember, CMR wants to get back to being very involved on offense and with qb.
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That is a good point, You're probably correct.
I think Richt would be wise to let Lilly call plays while He trains QBs and oversees the program.
It's not like He was the best at covering every detail when Bobo called plays. Adding more to His plate seems unwise, but maybe being more engaged will keep him sharper.
He has won 145 more games as a CFB HC than I have, that should be considered.
 
Miami will forever be a middle of the road ACC team. I appreciate what Richt did when he first arrived and his 2002/2005 SEC championships. Now that he's at Miami, he can GF himself. McClendon could do significantly better by staying away from Miami.
 
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StoneColdKillerDawg said:
Miami will forever be a middle of the road ACC team. I appreciate what Richt did when he first arrived and his 2002/2005 SEC championships. Now that he's at Miami, he can GF himself. McClendon could do significantly better by staying away from Miami.
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I think Richt will do well, but probably not quite championship level.
So Richt can GFH as far as You're concerned ? That type thinking really reduces loyalty to cheering for a uniform.
 
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HeulenHund2 said:
I think Richt will do well, but probably not quite championship level.
So Richt can GFH as far as You're concerned ? That type thinking really reduces loyalty to cheering for a uniform.
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Yep - I'm a dawgs fan and a fan of the folks wearing the uniform.
 
HeulenHund2 said:
I think Richt will do well, but probably not quite championship level.
So Richt can GFH as far as You're concerned ? That type thinking really reduces loyalty to cheering for a uniform.
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While I don't wish ill will towards CMR...i do cheer for the uniform and whoever wears it. The old "name on the front, more important than name on the back" thinking.
 
StoneColdKillerDawg said:
Miami will forever be a middle of the road ACC team. I appreciate what Richt did when he first arrived and his 2002/2005 SEC championships. Now that he's at Miami, he can GF himself. McClendon could do significantly better by staying away from Miami.
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With all due respect you are wrong on all counts. In the ACC, once you get past FSU, Louisville and Clemson, it is a bunch of programs that either have a questionable commitment to football (the North Carolina schools, Virginia), have no idea what they are doing (Georgia Tech, B.C. and Syracuse) or due to demographics will probably never be any good again (Pitt, Virginia Tech). If talent alone got Mark Richt 10 wins a year in the SEC, it will get him 12 wins a year in the ACC. And here's the deal: Miami gets better talent than UGA. Look at their drafts, even in the past few years when they haven't been that good. Another thing: Miami is in the weaker division of the ACC. Where FSU, Clemson and Louisville (3 of the 4 ACC schools that are committed to football and are generally competent) along with B.C. and Syracuse (who have some football tradition) the coastal division is Duke, UNC, Pitt, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech. Miami will be able to win the coastal every single year without half trying under Richt.

"McClendon could do significantly better by staying away from Miami."

Yeah, by staying at UGA and in the SEC and being a recruiting coordinator and position coach for the rest of his career? Because honestly, that is all guys like McClendon ever do in the SEC. Can you name a single guy in the SEC who is a former starting WR, RB or DB and is regarded mainly as a recruiter who has gotten a coordinator job in the past 15 years? Or who has moved on to an NFL staff? In the SEC, some guys get labeled "football minds" and other guys get labeled "guys who get athletes into our program and keep them away from our SEC rivals" and those labels stick. Unless he is going to go to a lesser SEC school like Kentucky or Ole Miss and use that as a shot to change his reputation (and then take the risk of getting fired along with the coaching staff due to the general lack of talent at lesser SEC schools) getting a position coach at Miami is his best shot for career mobility. If he does well at Miami, he is a coordinator at another SEC school or on an NFL staff within 5 years.
 
marshall_dillon said:
With all due respect you are wrong on all counts. In the ACC, once you get past FSU, Louisville and Clemson, it is a bunch of programs that either have a questionable commitment to football (the North Carolina schools, Virginia), have no idea what they are doing (Georgia Tech, B.C. and Syracuse) or due to demographics will probably never be any good again (Pitt, Virginia Tech). If talent alone got Mark Richt 10 wins a year in the SEC, it will get him 12 wins a year in the ACC. And here's the deal: Miami gets better talent than UGA. Look at their drafts, even in the past few years when they haven't been that good. Another thing: Miami is in the weaker division of the ACC. Where FSU, Clemson and Louisville (3 of the 4 ACC schools that are committed to football and are generally competent) along with B.C. and Syracuse (who have some football tradition) the coastal division is Duke, UNC, Pitt, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech. Miami will be able to win the coastal every single year without half trying under Richt.

"McClendon could do significantly better by staying away from Miami."

Yeah, by staying at UGA and in the SEC and being a recruiting coordinator and position coach for the rest of his career? Because honestly, that is all guys like McClendon ever do in the SEC. Can you name a single guy in the SEC who is a former starting WR, RB or DB and is regarded mainly as a recruiter who has gotten a coordinator job in the past 15 years? Or who has moved on to an NFL staff? In the SEC, some guys get labeled "football minds" and other guys get labeled "guys who get athletes into our program and keep them away from our SEC rivals" and those labels stick. Unless he is going to go to a lesser SEC school like Kentucky or Ole Miss and use that as a shot to change his reputation (and then take the risk of getting fired along with the coaching staff due to the general lack of talent at lesser SEC schools) getting a position coach at Miami is his best shot for career mobility. If he does well at Miami, he is a coordinator at another SEC school or on an NFL staff within 5 years.
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You're nuttier than a shithouse rat. You wasted 5 minutes of your life to type a turd of a post. Congrats.
 
marshall_dillon said:
With all due respect you are wrong on all counts. In the ACC, once you get past FSU, Louisville and Clemson, it is a bunch of programs that either have a questionable commitment to football (the North Carolina schools, Virginia), have no idea what they are doing (Georgia Tech, B.C. and Syracuse) or due to demographics will probably never be any good again (Pitt, Virginia Tech). If talent alone got Mark Richt 10 wins a year in the SEC, it will get him 12 wins a year in the ACC. And here's the deal: Miami gets better talent than UGA. Look at their drafts, even in the past few years when they haven't been that good. Another thing: Miami is in the weaker division of the ACC. Where FSU, Clemson and Louisville (3 of the 4 ACC schools that are committed to football and are generally competent) along with B.C. and Syracuse (who have some football tradition) the coastal division is Duke, UNC, Pitt, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech. Miami will be able to win the coastal every single year without half trying under Richt.

"McClendon could do significantly better by staying away from Miami."

Yeah, by staying at UGA and in the SEC and being a recruiting coordinator and position coach for the rest of his career? Because honestly, that is all guys like McClendon ever do in the SEC. Can you name a single guy in the SEC who is a former starting WR, RB or DB and is regarded mainly as a recruiter who has gotten a coordinator job in the past 15 years? Or who has moved on to an NFL staff? In the SEC, some guys get labeled "football minds" and other guys get labeled "guys who get athletes into our program and keep them away from our SEC rivals" and those labels stick. Unless he is going to go to a lesser SEC school like Kentucky or Ole Miss and use that as a shot to change his reputation (and then take the risk of getting fired along with the coaching staff due to the general lack of talent at lesser SEC schools) getting a position coach at Miami is his best shot for career mobility. If he does well at Miami, he is a coordinator at another SEC school or on an NFL staff within 5 years.
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All do respect, Virginia is not questionable for Va Tech...for UVA yes....recruiting in Virginia is good, not great, but good.
 
StoneColdKillerDawg said:
Yep - I'm a dawgs fan and a fan of the folks wearing the uniform.
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That is really the very thinnest way to view the game.
Probably My favorite part of the game is watching players and a very occasional coach have continued success. It's really the part of the program that has real meaning and purpose. Both Coach Mac and Lilly have been here long enough to be lifetime members of The DGD Club.
 
StoneColdKillerDawg said:
You're nuttier than a shithouse rat. You wasted 5 minutes of your life to type a turd of a post. Congrats.
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Right ... and you just demonstrated that I was wrong with facts and evidence, right? Or did you merely use ignorant, vile language in a response that consisted entirely of insults.

Look, chief. On point one, you have the fact that Richt proved that he was a "good but not great" coach at UGA.

On point two, you have Miami's draft history. Even after years of being mediocre or worse, Miami is #2 in NFL players with 37 (LSU is #1 with 40). UGA, after Richt's 15 years of averaging 10 wins, has 34.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-all-colleges-with-40-players-on-nfl-rosters/

(And that list is conservative ... according to this list 45 Hurricanes were on active NFL rosters at some point this season: http://caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/04/27/list-of-miami-hurricanes-currently-in-the-nfl/)

And I am waiting for you to tell me what great things North Carolina, Pitt, Duke and Virginia have done in the college football annals. Tech won a national title (by playing absolutely no one) in 1990, but Richt owned Tech while at UGA. He is going to do worse at Miami with better players? How and why? And Virginia Tech never won a game that counted even when they were in their prime, in the Michael Vick era. Is that program ever going to be a consistent top 20 team again? Pitt hasn't done anything since Johnny Majors left that school in the 70s.

And on the McClendon thing ... look at the offensive and defensive coordinators last season and tell me that I am wrong. Not one guy with a background similar to McClendon was an offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator or head coach in the SEC unless you count the failed co-coordinator experiment in South Carolina last year with Lorenzo Ward. By contrast, Tee Martin, who wasn't even given a serious job offer by his own alma mater despite leading Tennessee to their only (actual) national title, is the offensive coordinator at Southern Cal (probably the top OC job in the country by the way) and would have been the coordinator at Oregon even sooner had he taken the job. Martin had to do what I mentioned earlier and roll the dice with a job at a lesser school ... Kentucky. Martin was named the top recruiter in the country and yet none of the SEC schools have any interest in him on their staffs.

So I have numbers, facts, evidence on my side. You have insults and feigning offense on yours. Until times change in the SEC, guys like McClendon are doing the best for themselves by leaving it as soon as they can. A great place to play in if you want titles and NFL shots, but for a coaching career when your playing days are over? Not so much ...
 
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Don't forget about Brown you have 4 Oc s on 1 staff that will cause problems. Also if Richt thinks he can pick the recruits he wants from Georgia he is wrong . He will have to compete with smart and his staff.
 
marshall_dillon said:
Right ... and you just demonstrated that I was wrong with facts and evidence, right? Or did you merely use ignorant, vile language in a response that consisted entirely of insults.

Look, chief. On point one, you have the fact that Richt proved that he was a "good but not great" coach at UGA.

On point two, you have Miami's draft history. Even after years of being mediocre or worse, Miami is #2 in NFL players with 37 (LSU is #1 with 40). UGA, after Richt's 15 years of averaging 10 wins, has 34.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-all-colleges-with-40-players-on-nfl-rosters/

(And that list is conservative ... according to this list 45 Hurricanes were on active NFL rosters at some point this season: http://caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/04/27/list-of-miami-hurricanes-currently-in-the-nfl/)

And I am waiting for you to tell me what great things North Carolina, Pitt, Duke and Virginia have done in the college football annals. Tech won a national title (by playing absolutely no one) in 1990, but Richt owned Tech while at UGA. He is going to do worse at Miami with better players? How and why? And Virginia Tech never won a game that counted even when they were in their prime, in the Michael Vick era. Is that program ever going to be a consistent top 20 team again? Pitt hasn't done anything since Johnny Majors left that school in the 70s.

And on the McClendon thing ... look at the offensive and defensive coordinators last season and tell me that I am wrong. Not one guy with a background similar to McClendon was an offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator or head coach in the SEC unless you count the failed co-coordinator experiment in South Carolina last year with Lorenzo Ward. By contrast, Tee Martin, who wasn't even given a serious job offer by his own alma mater despite leading Tennessee to their only (actual) national title, is the offensive coordinator at Southern Cal (probably the top OC job in the country by the way) and would have been the coordinator at Oregon even sooner had he taken the job. Martin had to do what I mentioned earlier and roll the dice with a job at a lesser school ... Kentucky. Martin was named the top recruiter in the country and yet none of the SEC schools have any interest in him on their staffs.

So I have numbers, facts, evidence on my side. You have insults and feigning offense on yours. Until times change in the SEC, guys like McClendon are doing the best for themselves by leaving it as soon as they can. A great place to play in if you want titles and NFL shots, but for a coaching career when your playing days are over? Not so much ...
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Frankly, I couldn't give a damn what Miami does, despite liking Richt. The simple fact is that McClendon is not even close to being ready for an OC job, despite the fact that he is a good assistant and great recruiter. I'm also wondering how many damn OCs Richt is planning on hiring. I read at DawgNation that Brown might be offered co-OC. So Richt is planning on having three co-OCs?
 
marshall_dillon said:
With all due respect you are wrong on all counts. In the ACC, once you get past FSU, Louisville and Clemson, it is a bunch of programs that either have a questionable commitment to football (the North Carolina schools, Virginia), have no idea what they are doing (Georgia Tech, B.C. and Syracuse) or due to demographics will probably never be any good again (Pitt, Virginia Tech). If talent alone got Mark Richt 10 wins a year in the SEC, it will get him 12 wins a year in the ACC. And here's the deal: Miami gets better talent than UGA. Look at their drafts, even in the past few years when they haven't been that good. Another thing: Miami is in the weaker division of the ACC. Where FSU, Clemson and Louisville (3 of the 4 ACC schools that are committed to football and are generally competent) along with B.C. and Syracuse (who have some football tradition) the coastal division is Duke, UNC, Pitt, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech. Miami will be able to win the coastal every single year without half trying under Richt.

"McClendon could do significantly better by staying away from Miami."

Yeah, by staying at UGA and in the SEC and being a recruiting coordinator and position coach for the rest of his career? Because honestly, that is all guys like McClendon ever do in the SEC. Can you name a single guy in the SEC who is a former starting WR, RB or DB and is regarded mainly as a recruiter who has gotten a coordinator job in the past 15 years? Or who has moved on to an NFL staff? In the SEC, some guys get labeled "football minds" and other guys get labeled "guys who get athletes into our program and keep them away from our SEC rivals" and those labels stick. Unless he is going to go to a lesser SEC school like Kentucky or Ole Miss and use that as a shot to change his reputation (and then take the risk of getting fired along with the coaching staff due to the general lack of talent at lesser SEC schools) getting a position coach at Miami is his best shot for career mobility. If he does well at Miami, he is a coordinator at another SEC school or on an NFL staff within 5 years.
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Dawgman94 said:
Don't forget about Brown you have 4 Oc s on 1 staff that will cause problems. Also if Richt thinks he can pick the recruits he wants from Georgia he is wrong . He will have to compete with smart and his staff.
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Richt isn't the fool some seem to believe he is. He knows He's not going to get much of the cream out of Georgia.
Brown proved He can recruit nationally while at Wisconsin. What Miami has to do is reestablish dominance in South Florida, that will be tough on it's own.
There will always be cold climate snow birds attracted to the sun and skin of Miami as well.
 
Marshall Dillon Knows what he is talking about. Can we all agree that Richt is a Waaaaaay better coach then Golden and Shannon??? Yes, and it's not close. This year we won 8 games with Golden and a TE's coach. We should have beat FSU and Cincy (with a descent coaching staff). That puts us at 10 games. Wining 10 games a year with Richt at the helm will be the norm. The only team that will compete with us in the ACC Coastal is VaTech. That puts us in the ACC Championship game against Clemson/FSU/Louisville on a regular basis. To think that Richt will do worse in Miami then in Georgia with better athletes and an easier schedule is ridiculous at best.
 
feelo1 said:
The only team that will compete with us in the ACC Coastal is VaTech. That puts us in the ACC Championship game against Clemson/FSU/Louisville on a regular basis.
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Unfortunately, Richt always seems to lose a game during the season you never expected. I think the problem for Miami fans is that they are expecting so much so soon. You are 8-4 this year, if you go 9-3 and are watching NC in the ACC championship next year are you ok with that?
 
feelo1 said:
Marshall Dillon Knows what he is talking about. Can we all agree that Richt is a Waaaaaay better coach then Golden and Shannon??? Yes, and it's not close. This year we won 8 games with Golden and a TE's coach. We should have beat FSU and Cincy (with a descent coaching staff). That puts us at 10 games. Wining 10 games a year with Richt at the helm will be the norm. The only team that will compete with us in the ACC Coastal is VaTech. That puts us in the ACC Championship game against Clemson/FSU/Louisville on a regular basis. To think that Richt will do worse in Miami then in Georgia with better athletes and an easier schedule is ridiculous at best.
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I do agree Richt is an upgrade, and as fine a person as You'll meet, which DOES matter to some of Us.
Something to consider. Richt's best period came while He was still calling plays. We didn't have big scoring offenses then, but they were very efficient. Since He is going back to calling plays, it might juice His competitive spirit, or it may have just been a coincidence We were great during those early years.
 
HeulenHund2 said:
Richt's best period came while He was still calling plays. We didn't have big scoring offenses then, but they were very efficient. Since He is going back to calling plays, it might juice His competitive spirit, or it may have just been a coincidence We were great during those early years.
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They also came with Van Gorder at the helm on defense. I think the DC hire will be the biggest piece of the puzzle for Miami in the next few years.
 
feelo1 said:
Marshall Dillon Knows what he is talking about. Can we all agree that Richt is a Waaaaaay better coach then Golden and Shannon??? Yes, and it's not close. This year we won 8 games with Golden and a TE's coach. We should have beat FSU and Cincy (with a descent coaching staff). That puts us at 10 games. Wining 10 games a year with Richt at the helm will be the norm. The only team that will compete with us in the ACC Coastal is VaTech. That puts us in the ACC Championship game against Clemson/FSU/Louisville on a regular basis. To think that Richt will do worse in Miami then in Georgia with better athletes and an easier schedule is ridiculous at best.
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It's been 25 years since Miami has had better players than UGA.
 
CobbDawg51 said:
"Lesser SEC Program, Ole Miss", sadly Ole Miss would wear our ass out.
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Na
feelo1 said:
Marshall Dillon Knows what he is talking about. Can we all agree that Richt is a Waaaaaay better coach then Golden and Shannon??? Yes, and it's not close. This year we won 8 games with Golden and a TE's coach. We should have beat FSU and Cincy (with a descent coaching staff). That puts us at 10 games. Wining 10 games a year with Richt at the helm will be the norm. The only team that will compete with us in the ACC Coastal is VaTech. That puts us in the ACC Championship game against Clemson/FSU/Louisville on a regular basis. To think that Richt will do worse in Miami then in Georgia with better athletes and an easier schedule is ridiculous at best.
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nope y'all going to suck fsu and Flordia going to run recruting circals around Richt. UGA has a trump wall around of recruiting around Georgia with Kirby.
 
StoneColdKillerDawg said:
Miami will forever be a middle of the road ACC team. I appreciate what Richt did when he first arrived and his 2002/2005 SEC championships. Now that he's at Miami, he can GF himself. McClendon could do significantly better by staying away from Miami.
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Richt appreciates you also I bet. It is hard for a man to GF himself. Think about it. McClendon probably knows what is best for him.
 
Football scoop says that lilly turned down the offer by Richt to be co-offensive coord at Miami.
 
Dawgman94 said:
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nope y'all going to suck fsu and Flordia going to run recruting circals around Richt. UGA has a trump wall around of recruiting around Georgia with Kirby.
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You been drinking or just can't spell.
 
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