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Looks like Speaker Johnson is finally growing a pair and putting Ukraine aid forward.

If the Ukraine aid package is stand alone, most people are for it. Congress would pass it because pressure from back home would force them to.

Ask yourself this and be honest:
Why would democrats not fund Ukraine because that bill does not fund their other pork?
Why not get that issue off the table and move to the next?

I am well aware that republicans have been guilty of having similar demands. The truth is, both sides should stop it and deal with issues one at a time. This omnibus bullshit is hurting our country.
 
Johnson moving forward with Ukraine aid bill amid pressure from hardliners

The best part he's going to need Dem support to pass the bill and to keep his job.

It’s never taken big balls from a Dem to give our tax dollars away.

Yep, I am sure the guy who just got evicted from his house is proud of sending money overseas.

Just so I stay on topic, we are to send billions to other countries, yet will not seal the border and have logical organized immigration in our own country?

Help me here. Honest question.
 
Johnson moving forward with Ukraine aid bill amid pressure from hardliners

The best part he's going to need Dem support to pass the bill and to keep his job.

I'm not in favor of more Ukraine funding, but I like the idea that's a stand alone vote. If the majority votes for it, so be it. I won't complain. I definitely understand the political game and how bills are passed, using the give and take method, but I feel the majority of the country has grown weary if not disgusted over how important and popular legislation gets hung up over a pet project or other pork. People want straight up and down votes on the issues, at least the important ones.
 
It’s never taken big balls from a Dem to give our tax dollars away.

Yep, I am sure the guy who just got evicted from his house is proud of sending money overseas.

Just so I stay on topic, we are to send billions to other countries, yet will not seal the border and have logical organized immigration in our own country?

Help me here. Honest question.
There's always been foreign aid to other countries....always. Why stop now?

Make it make sense? Are you making the point for ALL foreign aid which accounts for around 2% of annual budget or how about looking at the defense budget which makes up about 13% of annual budget?

Or how about the Trump tax cuts which were $1.5T that the top 10% saw 85% of the benifit.


Republican policies do anything but benefit the guy just evicted from his house because Telsa layoffs.
 
I'm not in favor of more Ukraine funding, but I like the idea that's a stand alone vote. If the majority votes for it, so be it. I won't complain. I definitely understand the political game and how bills are passed, using the give and take method, but I feel the majority of the country has grown weary if not disgusted over how important and popular legislation gets hung up over a pet project or other pork. People want straight up and down votes on the issues, at least the important ones.
If the GOP hadn't been as crazy as a bag of cats this Ukraine funding could have been passed months ago along with the strongest boarder bill we've seen in decades or will see for years to come
 
If the GOP hadn't been as crazy as a bag of cats this Ukraine funding could have been passed months ago along with the strongest boarder bill we've seen in decades or will see for years to come
one wonders if this is basically just the senate bill broken up... i.e. if they couldn't get it to the floor whole, but as part of letting the GOP house "caucus" vote up / down on each item, it has been arranged that the border bill will draw some, if not significant D support. Just depends on what they stuff into the latter, per the thread above.
 
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If the GOP hadn't been as crazy as a bag of cats this Ukraine funding could have been passed months ago along with the strongest boarder bill we've seen in decades or will see for years to come
Hard disagree. No new legislation at all is needed. Had Biden left alone the policies of the last Admin, such as remain in Mexico, and had they not pushed or mandated woke policies, such as no bail or catch and release, we wouldn't have the problems we have today. The Ds are too stubborn, too petty, and too afraid to admit they screwed up. The fact of the matter is the Trump Admin enacted a lot of good policies that the Ds reversed simply and solely because Orange Man Bad. It was stupid and immature, and we're paying a dear price.
 
Hard disagree. No new legislation at all is needed. Had Biden left alone the policies of the last Admin, such as remain in Mexico, and had they not pushed or mandated woke policies, such as no bail or catch and release, we wouldn't have the problems we have today. The Ds are too stubborn, too petty, and too afraid to admit they screwed up. The fact of the matter is the Trump Admin enacted a lot of good policies that the Ds reversed simply and solely because Orange Man Bad. It was stupid and immature, and we're paying a dear price.
The Ds haven’t screwed up with the border. Their policy is working precisely as they intend.
 
There's always been foreign aid to other countries....always. Why stop now?

Make it make sense? Are you making the point for ALL foreign aid which accounts for around 2% of annual budget or how about looking at the defense budget which makes up about 13% of annual budget?

Or how about the Trump tax cuts which were $1.5T that the top 10% saw 85% of the benifit.


Republican policies do anything but benefit the guy just evicted from his house because Telsa layoffs.
Are you talking about the 10% that pay 85% of the taxes?

We all want water, so we turn the faucet off because the owner of the water company is making too much money. Makes sense.

Then we tax or regulate him further.

The rich guy cuts his staff, hurting families. He then gets the faucet turned back on, paying higher tax rate and higher regulation fees, charging the user more.

So it hurts the poor and middle class.

If you have rich political elite, do they care what you pay?

Rich political elite remove class financial distinctions. It’s the way of socialist countries. Rich political elite and a working class.

Cut off the business owner and you aren’t employed. That’s how you get $20 and hour McDonalds employees.
 
There's always been foreign aid to other countries....always. Why stop now?

Make it make sense? Are you making the point for ALL foreign aid which accounts for around 2% of annual budget or how about looking at the defense budget which makes up about 13% of annual budget?

Or how about the Trump tax cuts which were $1.5T that the top 10% saw 85% of the benifit.


Republican policies do anything but benefit the guy just evicted from his house because Telsa layoffs.
Total tax collections during the Trump years varied very little, ranging from $ 3.32 Trillion up to $ 3.4 trillion after the tax cut. so the cuts resulted in about the same in overall revenue, so guessing some got plowed back into the economy in some form to keep the overall collections increasing although very slightly. I have no issues with tax cuts provided the budget is cut first, of course that doesn't happen under either party since the late 90's. Cut all the pork, cut foreign aid by 25%, cut defense spending by 5%-7% (just reduce the number of generals, their staffs and their air fair should get 3% or so)
 
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If the Ukraine aid package is stand alone, most people are for it. Congress would pass it because pressure from back home would force them to.

Ask yourself this and be honest:
Why would democrats not fund Ukraine because that bill does not fund their other pork?
Why not get that issue off the table and move to the next?

I am well aware that republicans have been guilty of having similar demands. The truth is, both sides should stop it and deal with issues one at a time. This omnibus bullshit is hurting our country.
Any kind of aid bill should be the length of a bill of sale...one page.
 
Are you talking about the 10% that pay 85% of the taxes?

We all want water, so we turn the faucet off because the owner of the water company is making too much money. Makes sense.

Then we tax or regulate him further.

The rich guy cuts his staff, hurting families. He then gets the faucet turned back on, paying higher tax rate and higher regulation fees, charging the user more.

So it hurts the poor and middle class.

If you have rich political elite, do they care what you pay?

Rich political elite remove class financial distinctions. It’s the way of socialist countries. Rich political elite and a working class.

Cut off the business owner and you aren’t employed. That’s how you get $20 and hour McDonalds employees.
That is what the business class says isn't. But if that were true wouldn't the opposite be true, i.e. supply side tax cuts lead to economic growth and more jobs but that's not what has happened.

You need only to look at the Trump tax cuts and the state of Kansas tax cuts of 2012...oh don't remember that one, well everyone should. Kansas was a real life experiment in supply side economics and well...to say if failed horribly is an understatement.

"Kansas’ 4.2 percent private-sector job growth from December 2012 (the month before the tax cuts took effect) to May 2017 (the month before they were repealed) was lower than all of its neighbors except Oklahoma and less than half of the 9.4 percent job growth in the United States.

Likewise, the number of Kansas residents reporting income on their federal tax returns from a partnership or “S corporation” (two of the main types of businesses that the tax cuts exempted from income tax) grew by 4.1 percent between 2012 and 2015, well below the 5.4 percent growth for the United States and below all of Kansas’ neighbors except Missouri.
Moreover, Kansas revenues plunged, leading to cuts to education and other vital services and downgrades in the state’s bond rating. On June 6, 2017, the legislature terminated what Brownback had termed a “real live experiment” in supply-side tax policy, repealing the business profits exemption and moving income tax rates back toward where they had started."


 
If the GOP hadn't been as crazy as a bag of cats this Ukraine funding could have been passed months ago along with the strongest boarder bill we've seen in decades or will see for years to come
The border bill that was blown up was another bill with a TON of sneaky, slimey democrat bullshit in it. If it had really only been about the border, it would have had a good chance to pass after a few things were straightened out.
How about this. Before you start pretending you know something about the border bill, learn to spell it.
 
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That is what the business class says isn't. But if that were true wouldn't the opposite be true, i.e. supply side tax cuts lead to economic growth and more jobs but that's not what has happened.

You need only to look at the Trump tax cuts and the state of Kansas tax cuts of 2012...oh don't remember that one, well everyone should. Kansas was a real life experiment in supply side economics and well...to say if failed horribly is an understatement.

"Kansas’ 4.2 percent private-sector job growth from December 2012 (the month before the tax cuts took effect) to May 2017 (the month before they were repealed) was lower than all of its neighbors except Oklahoma and less than half of the 9.4 percent job growth in the United States.

Likewise, the number of Kansas residents reporting income on their federal tax returns from a partnership or “S corporation” (two of the main types of businesses that the tax cuts exempted from income tax) grew by 4.1 percent between 2012 and 2015, well below the 5.4 percent growth for the United States and below all of Kansas’ neighbors except Missouri.
Moreover, Kansas revenues plunged, leading to cuts to education and other vital services and downgrades in the state’s bond rating. On June 6, 2017, the legislature terminated what Brownback had termed a “real live experiment” in supply-side tax policy, repealing the business profits exemption and moving income tax rates back toward where they had started."


33% of small, mom and pop businesses in the US are S corps. 35% are LLCs. Both were helped by the Trump tax cuts.
Your comments display such ignorance, I can only assume that you have no experience in business at all.
 
The border bill that was blown up was another bill with a TON of sneaky, slimey democrat bullshit in it. If it had really only been about the border, it would have had a good chance to pass after a few things were straightened out.
How about this. Before you start pretending you know something about the border bill, learn to spell it.
This was a bipartisan bill
 
This was a bipartisan bill
So what, it was still full of bullshit. Instead of money to stop the flow and secure the border, it alloted huge money to build bigger facilities and more judges to process illegals and turn them loose quicker.
A real border security bill was introduced in the HOR today. Let's see what democrats do if that gets to the Senate.
 
33% of small, mom and pop businesses in the US are S corps. 35% are LLCs. Both were helped by the Trump tax cuts.
Your comments display such ignorance, I can only assume that you have no experience in business at all.
And the stats you stated have nothing to do with the fact the Trump Tax cuts did nothing for average Americans and the Kansas tax experiment was a huge failure that blew a massive hole in their state budget.
 
And the stats you stated have nothing to do with the fact the Trump Tax cuts did nothing for average Americans and the Kansas tax experiment was a huge failure that blew a massive hole in their state budget.
That 68% of businesses I spoke of ARE average Americans. Plus a lot that own C corps and partnerships as well.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You don't sound like you have ever owned a business. Otherwise you would not be so uninformed about the various business structure options.

Oh, and I just looked it up. The Kansas tax experiment had jack shit to do with President Trump's tax cuts.
Here:
The Kansas experiment was a controversial tax policy and agenda by Kansas state governor Sam Brownback in 2012 that had lasting effects in the state of Kansas from May 2012 until June 2017.
I haven't looked into it further but it was obviously not Trump.
 
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That 68% of businesses I spoke of ARE average Americans. Plus a lot that own C corps and partnerships as well.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You don't sound like you have ever owned a business. Otherwise you would not be so uninformed about the various business structure options.
1) what 68%, that figure is no where in your post and 2) the tax cut wasn't promised to benefit only small business owners but all Americans. IIn 2023 only 7% of Americans were small business owners. So youre saying that tax cut was OK because it benefited the 7% of Americans that are small business owners? That's not what Trump and the GOP promised and why it's costing Ameicans $100B every year over the next 10 years.

 
So what, it was still full of bullshit. Instead of money to stop the flow and secure the border, it alloted huge money to build bigger facilities and more judges to process illegals and turn them loose quicker.
A real border security bill was introduced in the HOR today. Let's see what democrats do if that gets to the Senate.
Let me ask you this, do you think we should spend more money for border security and Border patrol agents?
 
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1) what 68%, that figure is no where in your post and 2) the tax cut wasn't promised to benefit only small business owners but all Americans. IIn 2023 only 7% of Americans were small business owners. So youre saying that tax cut was OK because it benefited the 7% of Americans that are small business owners? That's not what Trump and the GOP promised and why it's costing Ameicans $100B every year over the next 10 years.

1) 33% (S corps) + 35% (LLCs) = 68% of all small businesses.
2) Then how come things were better for working people while Trump was president. It is undeniable. That's why so many black people and hispanics are supporting Trump now. You don't know bwcause you were not running a business.
I don't trust your sources.
I certainly think that article you posted is democrat horseshit. Not one source there except ultra liberal democrats.
 
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Let me ask you this, do you think we should spend more money for boarder security and Boarder patrol agents?
I think you should learn how to spell border before you try to carry on a conversation about it.
 
1) 33% (S corps) + 35% (LLCs) = 68% of all small businesses.
2) Then how come things were better for working people while Trump was president. It is undeniable. That's why so many black people and hispanics are supporting Trump now. You don't know bwcause you were not running a business.
I don't trust your sources.
I certainly think that article you posted is democrat horseshit. Not one source there except ultra liberal democrats.
Ummmmmm the pandemic shutdown the country for over a year and f'd up supply chain within multiple industries in tech, housing and manufacturing.

And again why you're only bring up small business when discussing the Trump tax cuts and how it affected the middle class. Again only 7% of the country classify as small business. What about the other 93%?
 
If the GOP hadn't been as crazy as a bag of cats this Ukraine funding could have been passed months ago along with the strongest boarder bill we've seen in decades or will see for years to come
didn’t see the border bill the deportation of illegals, so not really that strong
 
I think you should learn how to spell border before you try to carry on a conversation about it.
There you go fixed now how about answering that question. Do you thing the border and the Border Patrol need more funding?
 
If the GOP hadn't been as crazy as a bag of cats this Ukraine funding could have been passed months ago along with the strongest boarder bill we've seen in decades or will see for years to come


You are so right. This is all the gop and trump’s fault right.

The Dems are awesome at protecting our children. Such big hearts.








171 illegals arrested form 01-16-24 to 01-28-24 for child sexual assault or homicide. Most of these articles are in Boston. A sanctuary city.

I am sure these illegals came here and then begin committing crimes like this. No way they came here without being checked out.

Seems like a pedo friendly border crossing policy if I have ever seen one from those crafty Dems. I congratulate them.
 
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You are so right. This is all the gop and trump’s fault right.

The Dems are awesome at protecting our children. Such big hearts.








171 illegals arrested form 01-16-24 to 01-28-24 for child sexual assault or homicide. Most of these articles are in Boston. A sanctuary city.

I am sure these illegals came here and then begin committing crimes like this. No way they came here without being check out.

Seems like a pedo friendly border crossing policy if I have ever seen one from those crafty Dems. I congratulate them.
Sounds like we need legislation to reform our immigration and asylum system.
 
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