Politico got 8 million dollars from USAID funds…
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Alright. I hear your points. But let’s be real, some of the shit they’ve found is insane. I think there’s a reason so many people are pissed on the left……Why haven’t any dems condemned some of the places we’ve been sending money. For your argument, forget Politico…..what about all the other random shit. And I have some lib friends say “well that one issue was only like $2,000,000 so who gives a shit”…..I mean that’s our taxpayer money. I give a shit. Trump is the opposite of the “norm”. He’s draining the swamp. I know you think Elon is some unelected dictator, but who is Anthony Fauci? Who is George Soros, or even better, who is his son? Did we vote for George Soros to infiltrate every city in America to ruin our education system and local courts? No. We did not. It goes both ways. Trump is just extremely open telling his people to expose everything and make it known to everybody instead of the opposite where we all just smile and act like everything is okay. Our country is in a massive deficit. I would think everyone can get on board with figuring out where our money is going. It’s not unconstitutional for a president to look into a government agency and figure out where the money is going. He has the right to appoint someone to do that. Do you think Trump could just do that by himself? If you do, then you are kidding yourself. On another note, if you think his whole comment on GAZA is actually what he wants to do, then you haven’t been paying attention.
Why are Dem leaders parading around announcing civil war because a government appointed agency is being audited to expose how they spend OUR money?
USAID deserves to be paused and reorganized and there ABSOLUTLEY should be future oversite how that agency spends OUR money.
Because the way it looks they are taking a large portion of OUR money and lighting it on fire
USAID deserves to be paused and reorganized and there ABSOLUTLEY should be future oversite how that agency spends OUR money.
Because the way it looks they are taking a large portion of OUR money and lighting it on fire
If you look into his background, Tom Renz is not exactly an impartial third party observer. He’s also been a lawyer for about five years, which doesn’t mean he is right or wrong, but I wouldn’t call him an acknowledged or widely respected expert.
I’m sure he feels this is all legal just as the Trump team feels birthright citizenship is not in the 14th amendment. We will see how that plays out.
You’ll get no argument from me that our federal government wastes a staggering sum of money. I can’t imagine that any sane person would argue otherwise.
Lefties would point to the DOD, righties to programs like USAID, and they’d all be correct to some degree.
The question is, how to best attack the problem and who should be point for those efforts. I’ve detailed above my issues with Elon, the utter disregard for the multitude of people who have served this country faithfully via the civil service and the damage that’s being done to the agencies that play an important role in the success of what is the most powerful country in history.
We will all get to see what happens when our own government handicaps itself through chaos and cuts. There’s little to know chance that this is all happening in a way to both cut costs and preserve our capabilities.
I don’t think anyone does have a problem with it as long as the decision-makers don’t have conflicts of interest. In fact nearly every single president has made a similar effort to mixed results. Hard to accomplish much when you are only attacking 10% of the spending pie (which, to be clear, is not limited to Trump- no president, Dem or Republican is slashing the real waste in defense spending or restructuring entitlements)
He walked you through the reasoning. Very logical explanation. I don’t get the libs argument anyway. Biden had David Lebryck in charge at treasury with access to all our info and now Trump has his peoole including Musk. And Trumps EO’ further gives Musk authority to improve our software systems
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This guy? Well, he isn’t the worlds richest man simultaneously running three for-profit organizations while serving the government, he hasn’t been the beneficiary of $15b in government funds and he started serving in the Treasury Department in 2014, which means he understood how things work and served under both Dems and Republicans.
I’m not getting the comparison at all.
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Yeah that guy…… Trumps choice to upgrade software systems and efficiently provide him an accounting of waste/fraud is Musk. Not sure there’s a more qualified person on the planet. Trump stated musk must recuse himself from any conflicts of interest I understand you/left don’t like but to suggest it’s not authorized is jnot accurate. The left is simply attempting to create public outrage and fear. Don’t think it’s going to work. All walks of life are going to be furious about where our money has gone.This guy? Well, he isn’t the worlds richest man simultaneously running three for-profit organizations while serving the government, he hasn’t been the beneficiary of $15b in government funds and he started serving in the Treasury Department in 2014, which means he understood how things work and served under both Dems and Republicans.
I’m not getting the comparison at all.
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DOGE uncovering all kind of Democrat spending on ludicrous things or else a giant money laundering operation. Dems out protesting in the streets while 60% + of Americans want the waste to stop. Seems like everyone with any political sense at all is gone from the Democratic Party. Check out the link--LOL $1.5 million to fund sodomy in Jamaica
Waste DOGE is uncovering(link)
Waste DOGE is uncovering(link)
If I thought any lefty here or in the USA would approve of anyone djt appointed to handle this, I would give the problems with Elon more credence. I will be curious how the legality all plays out, but I would bet they have their ducks in a row there. You would think a guy that voted for Obama, Hillary and Joe Biden would fit the bill for the left. I guess not.
It is a completely empty argument. No one he appointed would work. It is getting way worse by the minute. Maybe at some point you guys will have to admit this is total bs. The politicians have been robbing us blind.
It is a completely empty argument. No one he appointed would work. It is getting way worse by the minute. Maybe at some point you guys will have to admit this is total bs. The politicians have been robbing us blind.
Have you read Lava-man’s post a few spots back ? There’s a good explanation of the legality. Yes it’s well thought out.
I wasn't aware Pubs were above playing politics. Maybe some Pubs paid for good coverage as well. I'm quite sure Politico wasn't producing information the Pols couldn't easily access for next to nothing.
This was nothing more than a way to funnel money to politico and further control the narrative. Lobbyist were the target market for politico pro to give them some insight/access to govt. No govt agency needed politico pro. Yet the subscriptions exploded under Biden. Pathetic libs can’t simply say yes this is a problem.
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I find all of the Dem hand wringing hilarious.
" Elons not qualified to do this and its illegal!"
Elon is a Democrat that got red pilled because of the Biden Administration.
Just wondering , who elected John Kerry?
While Biden was getting his adult diaper cleaned out daily , our country was run by a bunch of Democratic ghouls that werent elected either. People like Anthony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, Jake Sullivan and on and on and on. These people have more blood on their hands than Hitler. That is not a joke.
So Dems please, spare me with all the BS.
" Elons not qualified to do this and its illegal!"
Elon is a Democrat that got red pilled because of the Biden Administration.
Just wondering , who elected John Kerry?
While Biden was getting his adult diaper cleaned out daily , our country was run by a bunch of Democratic ghouls that werent elected either. People like Anthony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, Jake Sullivan and on and on and on. These people have more blood on their hands than Hitler. That is not a joke.
So Dems please, spare me with all the BS.
No, it wasn’t, and I think your argument has been refuted by facts and evidence.
Of course, that won’t stop POTUS and his followers like you from parroting that nerrative, regardless of the evidence.
Just about every single “fact” in this post has been proven to be either a gross and intentional mischaracterization or an outright lie, which will be SOP for this administration.
Looks like a federal judge just granted a temporary restraining order blocking DOGE from accessing federal systems. We will see what happens next.
I understand the Trump team doesn't agree and will follow the precedent set by O and Biden of simply ignoring court decisions if it retards their agenda.
Care to point to an example from the Biden or Obama administrations that shares any, much less most, of the characterizations of what the courts will be weighing in this case?
I don't doubt they will attempt to ignore the courts. We know the Elon and Trump feel they are above the law, and I'm not ruling out that the SCOTUS may eventually agree with them because they have already decided that if the president does something, that makes it legal.
But it's still likely going to have to work its way through the court system just as the birthright citizenship issue will have to do the same.
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The democrats have proven they can find a liberal judge to do their bidding at any time. I knew this would produce pushback. You mess with people’s money, this is what happens. Especially people with resources. This is just the start of the pain.
DOJ agrees to proposed order to limit DOGE's access to Treasury data
The DOJ agreed to a proposed order that would largely block the Treasury Department from sharing sensitive financial data with the Department of Government Efficiency.
This is a pretty good article about where this is heading. And where it is now. And yes @willdup you should enjoy reading this article.
It favors your argument, but may not change what eventually is going to happen anyway
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That depends entirely on what the end goal is. My view is that it encompasses more than simply cutting waste, but we will see.
That is just it. People are up in arms about someone with his tech savvy having too much access. Fine. Limit the access as long as he can still do the job. There has to be a way to audit where the money is being spent. The fact that these measures aren’t in place and very easy to implement is as damning as anything. Pretty clear no one has been monitoring this.
And I honestly don’t see how a judge dictates who the POTUS and Treasury Security authorizes access to information. Without some nefarious activity alleged, really don’t see the authority to stick his nose in it. I do feel Elon is subjecting himself to a very serious requirement to not use any info in an unlawful manner. And if that ever happens, he and anyone else should be held liable. Including criminally.
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Two important questions:
1) Is the job for Elon to personally determine what constitutes waste? If not, who is making that determination and based on what criteria?
2) Given his wealth, and specifically the fact the he has been the beneficiary of a staggering $15b in taxpayer funds, isn’t there a very obvious conflict of interest in Elon determine what constitutes waste? You don’t become the wealthiest guy on the planet without consistently acting in your own best interest, but now we are expected to believe he’s going to act in our best interest?
I get what you are saying. But that applies to anyone doing this will. There can be a conflict of interest for anybody. And let’s put our cards on the table. Anyone appointed to do this by Trump, the left is going to find an issue with it. Why are we having to do this? Because you have to admit, some of these tax payer expenses are complete horse shit
Put guardrails on him. That is fine with me. They supposedly have people overseeing what he is doing and documenting everything.
I am sure he isn’t the only one deciding that certain payments are wasteful. If that is you issue, have him flag what he deems as wasteful. Then make a bipartisan committee to vote yes or no. With any no votes becoming public along with the payment in question. As a checks and balance. If the vote is tied, Trump makes the call.
Will, this needs to happen. And it would be happening at a rapid pace without red tape. Instead there has to be politics brought into it, so it may take years and years before we figure out some of these asinine expenditures aren’t needed. Right?
Trump didn’t hide this. It was part of his platform. And was voted on. He won. Big. Elections have consequences. Our success as a country only helps Elon’s success. He doesn’t benefit at all from making things worse.
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To add on. We had this discussion for almost four years brother. My complaint I know you will remember. Biden was governing for half the country. He didn’t do one thing to benefit the right. I told you the shoe would eventually be on the other foot. At the time, I know you thought, not anytime soon after 1-6. The policies enacted by Biden(his handlers) caused irreparable harm. This is part of your side having to pay for that. While I totally get your concern. You made your bed.
My Questions
1)So Congress establishes the budget for Agencies like USAID right?
2) who makes the choice on each expenditure within the budget. For instance say $20,000,000 for a Sesame Street Parade in Iraq ?
Had Musk blindly followed the progressive left and made himself the poster-child of the battle against climate change, rest assured Tesla would have 2x the amount of tax subsidies.This guy? Well, he isn’t the worlds richest man simultaneously running three for-profit organizations while serving the government, he hasn’t been the beneficiary of $15b in government funds and he started serving in the Treasury Department in 2014, which means he understood how things work and served under both Dems and Republicans.
I’m not getting the comparison at all.
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You argue he is conflicted. I agree - but his business interests actually run counter to what Trump is. Most obviously in his quest to expand oil production and eliminate any EV requirements. China tariffs also a bad thing for Tesla.
The conflict argument is actually proof that Musk doesn’t give a shit about using his position to make more money. A Trump Presidency is a financial loser for Tesla.
By your own admission,Twitter was a business loser for him, the implication being that he is motivated by principals, whether you agree with those principals or not. In this case the principal is exposing and eliminating government waste. Something we should all agree on.
Putting the most successful businessman of all time, who has proven he will act against his own self interests financially in order to accomplish a goal, with a history of doing shit no one thought possible….and staffing up with literal geniuses…..in charge of something no one else has been able to do effectively…..sounds pretty freaking good to me.
Get after it Elon. Honest and good uses of cash have nothing to fear.
Nothing to benefit the right?
CHIPs Act.
Infrastructure Act (even the GOP who voted against it take credit for the projects it is funding).
Postal Service Reform Act.
Veterans Support.
Covid Relief.
Isreal support.
Ukraine support.
All passed with broad, bipartisan support.
Obviously, the border policy was a failure, although I'll note that it was Trump who killed the bipartisan Immigration and Border reform bill.
Beyond the border, what did you have in mind when you said the right got nothing during the last four years?
Regarding Musk, that's a strawman and illogical beyond that. I challenge you to find one other example of a single person who is as inherently conflicted regarding US spending reform as Elon Musk is. He is both the wealthiest person in the country and the single person who has most benefitted from billions ($15b, in fact) in US taxpayer dollars.
So, because this role would be under political scrutiny, Trump might as well place by far the most conflicted person on the planet and then decide that this conflicted person will self-identify any conflicts. That's insane.
There were billions in fraud that occurred under the Covid PPP program during the Trump and Biden administrations. Is Elon looking at that? If not, perhaps it has something to do with who the beneficiaries were?
How about the DOD?
Last year, the GAO found $233b in fraud.
So far, Elon has found no fraud. None, despite the efforts to spin the $8.2m spent across all government agencies and across multiple years on media services. He's just found funding that he personally disagrees with. Strangely enough, I'm guessing that what Elon personally determines to be money poorly spent and what even you and I could agree on as money poorly spent may be two very different things given Elon's wealth and his massive financial relationship with the federal government.
Sometimes I truly appreciate you naivete. Elon did not spend $44b dollars on Twitter out of the goodness of his heart, he bought it to accrue power and influence. Now, he is arguably the most powerful unelected person in the history of the country and X definitely helped him get there. Even Rockefeller never had the direct influence and control over government expenditures that we are seeing and will continue to see more of from Elon. Reminder, we are only a few weeks in at this point.
So, X and an easy $245m spent directly out of his pocket bought him truly unprecedented influence and control, to a level unachievable via an election given he isn't a natural born citizen and as such isn't eligible to be president. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.
Come on will. Bipartisan support. Those were bills all considered wins for the left. You are being disingenuous posting that. That got what they could out of the bill while most of it was filled with shit no pub or conservative wanted. Ukraine? Really? Good god man. Send me a few of those gummies my man. Don’t be stingy.
It isn’t a straw man argument regarding Elon. Trump could appoint bill clinton and you guys would find fault with it.
As far as looking into covid fraud, quite sure he will. We are just in the one percent range now. He is tasked for 2 years. Everyone knew usaid was being used as a front to help agendas. I think even you can safely say this is the case.
Elon is almost certainly the single greatest personal beneficiary of government largess in the country, all while he’s going to personally decide what constitutes money well spent or not. It’s beyond laughable but no one on the right, including a significant number of GOP legislators who know better, will say a word.
Looks like the Democratic Party has decided this is the hill they want to die on. You just have to wonder why they are not listening to some of their battle hardened strategists.
Democratic lawmakers and scores of others have protested in response, which, according to Axelrod, is ill-advised. The strategist told Politico on Tuesday that his party is “walking into a trap.”
“My heart is with the people out on the street outside USAID, but my head tells me: ‘Man, Trump will be well satisfied to have this fight,’” told the publication. “When you talk about cuts, the first thing people say is: Cut foreign aid.”
His friend and former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel agreed.
“You don’t fight every fight. You don’t swing at every pitch. And my view is — while I care about the USAID as a former ambassador — that’s not the hill I’m going to die on,” he said.
Democratic lawmakers and scores of others have protested in response, which, according to Axelrod, is ill-advised. The strategist told Politico on Tuesday that his party is “walking into a trap.”
“My heart is with the people out on the street outside USAID, but my head tells me: ‘Man, Trump will be well satisfied to have this fight,’” told the publication. “When you talk about cuts, the first thing people say is: Cut foreign aid.”
His friend and former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel agreed.
“You don’t fight every fight. You don’t swing at every pitch. And my view is — while I care about the USAID as a former ambassador — that’s not the hill I’m going to die on,” he said.
Zinger, you are wrong here and I can prove it.
Marco Rubio was confirmed 99-0 because he is a reasonable and qualified pick for the the role he was nominated for, despite the deep differences of opinion that exist between him and most of the Dem senators.
Musk is not qualified, has not been vetted and is literally the most conflicted person on the planet for his current, ill-defined role.
And you didn’t provide a single example of what a reasonable ask of the right was that Biden blocked. Please be specific.
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