Secret Service

[willdup]

Post 1 piece of evidence showing that Trump conspired to overthrow the government via insurrection.

Go.

Sworn testimony to the J6 Committee? Whatever. People lie. Show me the court case.

Fair enough. But that measure, you have to also agree that there was no widespread election fraud, which is the lie that started all this bullshit in the first place.

The DOJ has to proceed with extreme caution, because if they charge Trump they must be absolutely certain they will win the case. I don't know at this point if Garland will decide to proceed or not, although the J6 committee has certainly made it more difficult for him to choose to do nothing. We will see what happens in due course.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

Fair enough. But that measure, you have to also agree that there was no widespread election fraud, which is the lie that started all this bullshit in the first place.

The DOJ has to proceed with extreme caution, because if they charge Trump they must be absolutely certain they will win the case. I don't know at this point if Garland will decide to proceed or not, although the J6 committee has certainly made it more difficult for him to choose to do nothing. We will see what happens in due course.

I don't have to do anything but remain skeptical of government officials and agencies who BS us all day while avoiding scrutiny.

I'm okay with Trump going to trial over January 6th. I'm also okay with election fraud allegations being explored instead of meeting legal loophole dead-ends that avoid looking into anything questionable.

That's the big difference between you and I. You like to frame everything to reach the results you desire. One minute you're saying election fraud needs to be proven in a court of law, the next you say Trump is guilty of something, anything, without court proceedings necessary.

Be consistent.

I'm fine with looking at every situation and seeing what truth shakes out.

 

[stray]

Perhaps far more concerning is that the SS intentionally destroyed text messages despite three warnings to preserve records (not that the warning should be needed due to the laws around records preservation) and there is no reasonable scenario where the loss of the texts was inadvertent. So evidence suggests an arm of law enforcement is hiding something so inflammatory that a leader made the decision to take the heat for obstruction instead of allowing the communications to become public.

The SS texts were lost in a planned phone reset prior to OIG started any investigation and they are all aware of that. In addition, none of the texts that the OIG was requesting had been lost. This new talking point is completely dishonest.

Secret Service Denies Deleting Text Messages, Blames Phone Reset

The Secret Service's head of communications said the DHS inspector general's claims about the texts were "categorically false."

www.newsweek.com

 

[willdup]

The SS texts were lost in a planned phone reset prior to OIG started any investigation and they are all aware of that. In addition, none of the texts that the OIG was requesting had been lost. This new talking point is completely dishonest.

Secret Service Denies Deleting Text Messages, Blames Phone Reset

The Secret Service's head of communications said the DHS inspector general's claims about the texts were "categorically false."

www.newsweek.com

Any migration of phones in any scenario starts with backups and suggesting a loss of data is to be expected during equipment migration is a joke. That is true for any organization, much less one subject to federal records preservation laws.

I guess it's just a matter of bad luck that data for the 5th and 6th of January were impacted.

There is a reason this has turned into a criminal investigation, and it isn't just about poor IT Systems management.

Criminal probe opened into deletion of Secret Service Jan. 6 text messages, sources say

The Secret Service was informed of the criminal probe into missing text messages Wednesday by the DHS inspector general.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Bells76]

I didn’t vote for Hillary, she didn’t serve as president, that was almost six years ago, she isn’t planning on running for president again and she isn’t the de facto head of her party like Trump is.

Are you able to offer up a comment about Trump’s behavior or is it all execuse-making and finger pointing? I thought conservatives were about personal responsibility.

this isn’t about you, i know dems believe different but nobody asked who you voted for. Do our laws not apply to people that run for president too? What about trump makes him the only person within the reach and

the way you frame this, only the potus has to follow the law.

trump had already said in his speech that everything should be done peacefully. What do you expect of him, to call up each protester separately and ask them not to hurt anyone or enter any buildings? No each person that day acted on their own accord. Even if someone had told them to enter the building, or hurt a cop, it was still their own personal decision to take that action.

talking to dems is like talking to children. I bet everyone on this board has been told by their parents, “well if so and so jumped off a bridge , would you do it too?”

excuse making and finger pointing is not against the law. Those were his opinions and he was/is free to express them. You should support his right to express his opinion, as we all should. He is not hurting a soul by making excuses or pointing fingers, it may be a bad look to some but nothing illegal About it….unless your a republican i guess

 

[Bells76]

this isn’t about you, i know dems believe different but nobody asked who you voted for. Do our laws not apply to people that run for president too? What about trump makes him the only person within the reach and

the way you frame this, only the potus has to follow the law.

trump had already said in his speech that everything should be done peacefully. What do you expect of him, to call up each protester separately and ask them not to hurt anyone or enter any buildings? No each person that day acted on their own accord. Even if someone had told them to enter the building, or hurt a cop, it was still their own personal decision to take that action.

talking to dems is like talking to children. I bet everyone on this board has been told by their parents, “well if so and so jumped off a bridge , would you do it too?”

excuse making and finger pointing is not against the law. Those were his opinions and he was/is free to express them. You should support his right to express his opinion, as we all should. He is not hurting a soul by making excuses or pointing fingers, it may be a bad look to some but nothing illegal About it….unless your a republican i guess

I didn’t vote for Hillary, she didn’t serve as president, that was almost six years ago, she isn’t planning on running for president again and she isn’t the de facto head of her party like Trump is.

Are you able to offer up a comment about Trump’s behavior or is it all execuse-making and finger pointing? I thought conservatives were about personal responsibility.

the way you frame this, only the potus has to follow the law.

trump had already said in his speech that everything should be done peacefully. What do you expect of him, to call up each protester separately and ask them not to hurt anyone or enter any buildings? No each person that day acted on their own accord. Even if someone had told them to enter the building, or hurt a cop, it was still their own personal decision to take that action.

talking to dems is like talking to children. I bet everyone on this board has been told by their parents, “well if so and so jumped off a bridge , would you do it too?”

excuse making and finger pointing is not against the law. Those were his opinions and he was/is free to express them. You should support his right to express his opinion, as we all should. He is not hurting a soul by making excuses or pointing fingers, it may be a bad look to some but nothing illegal About it….unless your a republican i guess

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

So if anyone can provide evidence that the riots, not the protests but the riots, were a Democratic Party operation led by senior Dems, then you have a point. They were similar to the riots after Rodney King and the riots after MLK, neither of which were led by a political party.

You are conflating social unrest with a specific plan led by the president to steal an election by in part intentially causing chaos to disrupt certification and it’s all very well documented. He tried to use the DOJ, the Secret Service seems to be involved and he tried to bully various state AGs and Governors to support his efforts as well.

If you are honest, you know comparing the riots to what Trump did is a false equivalency and if Trump were a Dem who had done these things you would be rightly outraged and insisting he be held accountable.

I would imagine if you had the DOJ infiltrating and investigating antifa and BLM with the same vigor they go after other domestic terror orgs, you'd find quite a bit of funding and support coming from Dem sources. Of course the reason I have to imagine is because the DOJ doesn't seem to be very interested in climbing that ladder and busting up those orgs.

 

[ephesiandawg]

So if anyone can provide evidence that the riots, not the protests but the riots, were a Democratic Party operation led by senior Dems, then you have a point. They were similar to the riots after Rodney King and the riots after MLK, neither of which were led by a political party.

You are conflating social unrest with a specific plan led by the president to steal an election by in part intentially causing chaos to disrupt certification and it’s all very well documented. He tried to use the DOJ, the Secret Service seems to be involved and he tried to bully various state AGs and Governors to support his efforts as well.

If you are honest, you know comparing the riots to what Trump did is a false equivalency and if Trump were a Dem who had done these things you would be rightly outraged and insisting he be held accountable.

Or a plan dems planned and planted their people to make situation more extreme - like not sending troops Trump asked for - we ever going to hear from Ray Epps?

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

Any migration of phones in any scenario starts with backups and suggesting a loss of data is to be expected during equipment migration is a joke. That is true for any organization, much less one subject to federal records preservation laws.

I guess it's just a matter of bad luck that data for the 5th and 6th of January were impacted.

There is a reason this has turned into a criminal investigation, and it isn't just about poor IT Systems management.

Criminal probe opened into deletion of Secret Service Jan. 6 text messages, sources say

The Secret Service was informed of the criminal probe into missing text messages Wednesday by the DHS inspector general.

www.cnbc.com

It turned into a criminal investigation because the OIG hasn't received all communications desired and now they want to vilify the Secret Service.

Those people don't even understand the difference between data being wiped from phones and archives of that data preserved from the servers that originally transmitted the communications.

 

[cherrydawg]

Any migration of phones in any scenario starts with backups and suggesting a loss of data is to be expected during equipment migration is a joke. That is true for any organization, much less one subject to federal records preservation laws.

I guess it's just a matter of bad luck that data for the 5th and 6th of January were impacted.

There is a reason this has turned into a criminal investigation, and it isn't just about poor IT Systems management.

Criminal probe opened into deletion of Secret Service Jan. 6 text messages, sources say

The Secret Service was informed of the criminal probe into missing text messages Wednesday by the DHS inspector general.

www.cnbc.com

Where were you when killary destroyed evidence? LOL

 

[thinkinofmontreal]

I didn’t vote for her either, she didn’t have four years as president to trample on our system of government and as far as I know Trump is the only one of the two about to announce their candidacy for 2024.

Trample our system of govt: You can’t substantiate on thing he did to trample our Govt. I can name many The bitch and SJB have done. No basis in fact in your assertions.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Trumpers trashed Cassidy Hutchinson and the two SS agents in questions said they would refute her statements. Since then, nothing from the agents, video has emerged showing unusual “activity” inside the presidential SUV and a DC policeman has in part corroborated her testimony.

Perhaps far more concerning is that the SS intentionally destroyed text messages despite three warnings to preserve records (not that the warning should be needed due to the laws around records preservation) and there is no reasonable scenario where the loss of the texts was inadvertent. So evidence suggests an arm of law enforcement is hiding something so inflammatory that a leader made the decision to take the heat for obstruction instead of allowing the communications to become public.

I’m sure many on here will be first in law to apologize for their comments about Hutchison.

Tonight we get hear and watch how Trump reveled in what was happening at the Capitol for 187 minutes during the attack. Good times.

 

[ugaboz]

how is hunter biden doing?

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

Fair enough. But that measure, you have to also agree that there was no widespread election fraud, which is the lie that started all this bullshit in the first place.

The DOJ has to proceed with extreme caution, because if they charge Trump they must be absolutely certain they will win the case. I don't know at this point if Garland will decide to proceed or not, although the J6 committee has certainly made it more difficult for him to choose to do nothing. We will see what happens in due course.

Did Biden say or not say that his team had built the biggest election fraud team ever? Yes or no. Go.

 

[Lady43]

LORD HAVE MERCY at your inflation statement. First he would not have cut our energy production. That was really stupid especially since we were coming out of the pandemic due to Trumps warp speed vaccine. Anyone that does not acknowledge that is being partisan. Second, while Trump was not the most frugal, he would not have spent as much. Yes I know congress does the spending but they did a lot of spending on Joementias pet projects. Dims believe money comes from the printing press. 3rd He would not have spent so much on ukraine. 4th There would be more postive feelings in the country without the depression of having a socialist perverted pedo peter in the white house. The list is long of things Trump would have done differently. Sorry dims have to come up with far out silly excuses for their demented old man lying president. Anyone that thinks we are in a better position economically is economically illiterate and a partisan.

He wouldn’t have spent anything in Ukraine because Russia would never have invaded Ukraine if Trump were President. Trump carried a big stick Joe doesn’t because he has mutilated our militar.