Should we bomb Iran nuclear facilities
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NO, Bombing would spike world oil prices after Iran blocks the Strait of Hormuz. Trump can get a diplomatic victory in just a few weeks.
Iran won’t be in a position to do much of anything in a matter of days if we decide to take out the regime! Oil prices will be fine,
Ultimately the removal of Iran its proxies and the always present threat of war could remove the risk premium historically present with oil. Theoretically a new outlook on the Middle East could give us oil in the $50-$60 range for a really long time.
Depends. The one thing we can't allow is for Khamenei to remain in power and leave any enrichment capability. So, short of a complete surrender or complete victory, the U.S. must make sure the nuke program is set back to ground zero. Even if it means a couple of days of B2 sortees. Surviving with a nuke program even partially in tact would be a huge win for the terrorist regime.
In the unlikely circumstance that there is something similar to a government in waiting, then we can stay at arms length. Since nation building and a long U,S. occupation aren't an option, it is in the U.S.'s best interest and really the world's best interest for Iran's nuke program to go away.
In the unlikely circumstance that there is something similar to a government in waiting, then we can stay at arms length. Since nation building and a long U,S. occupation aren't an option, it is in the U.S.'s best interest and really the world's best interest for Iran's nuke program to go away.
Only ppl taking abt it is media. Have you noticed?
I said yes, because ultimately I agree that it needs to get done. But I don’t exactly think WE should do the bombing directly. Probably better through proxies as it has been so far.
What proxies do we have to do this? We would have to train them on how to fly the B2 and how to carry out the mission. That would take some time.
Does it give anyone pause that over the past quarter century there have been many times Netanyahu has told the world that Iran is "weeks away" from having a nuke?
I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks Iran should have a bomb, so it kinda puts the US in a no-win situation.
You can only cry wolf so many times before you have doubt.......on the other hand, can you afford not to take him seriously?
The middle East has been and always will be a cluster (fill in the blank).
I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks Iran should have a bomb, so it kinda puts the US in a no-win situation.
You can only cry wolf so many times before you have doubt.......on the other hand, can you afford not to take him seriously?
The middle East has been and always will be a cluster (fill in the blank).
How can they block it?
Only if we and all of the other countries sit on our asses.
But there are many agencies as well as other countries that have accessed some of the facilities and weee able to see their capabilities. Whether they are weeks, months or a couple of years away. The risk is too great to ignore.
Years ago, we stopped their centrifuges with a computer virus. They are close, and they admit trying to build one. Maybe they are 1 or 2 years away. North Korea is bad enough. But they can’t have the bomb, they would likely use it. Do you really want to chance it?
True to an extent.....but a game-changer a few weeks back was the unprecedented censure from the independent / international atomic energy governing body....basically confirming that Iran was not only enriching uranium at an unprecedented (near weapons grade) level, the speed of enrichment level was moving at an unprecedented pace. Even the biggest Israel doves that point the finger at Bibi's spin and exaggeration about the speed at which Iran could have a bomb admit that a crude device could be produced within months.
Also - intelligence works both ways. Maybe we have a few months......maybe we don't. The stakes are too high to let it play out given how close they are now. I suspect if it was a hostile Mexico chanting death to America and there was a debate whether or not they would have a bomb within days, weeks, or months......we as a Country might be pretty unanimous in our thinking.
The entire World is in a better place the minute Iran no longer has any chance to get a bomb.....ever.
If we're going to do it, no need to rush. Let Iran cook for a month and let Israel keep taking out launchers. Everything Iran looses without firing at us is something we don't have worry about. Put the pieces in place, align the intel and keeping wearing them down. Israel says they've gotten 40% of their launchers. Get them down to where they can't put enough in the air to be effective.
You've got the Iranian public practically in a panic and fleeing Tehran . Keep the pressure on the population 24x7, but don't target them. They may eventually break and riot or at least the Supreme Leader is going to start feeling the heat in a big way to manage internal unrest. That's 90M people with no sense of direction and no rest. Something will snap.
I would let them negotiate a civilian monitored nuclear program as the best they can achieve. No centrifuges buried in mountains. They'll have to give it up. If they aren't willing to negotiate that, then they aren't going abandon a nuclear weapon. There's absolutely no need to enrich uranium for those levels for peaceful purposes. I believe that has always been the intent.
Don't give them a cease fire till you've got them tapped out though. They'll use it to stall.
My hope is that the regime has a survival instinct and will make a deal that keeps us from having to blow the place but you've got an 86 year old jew hating religious fanatic in charge that approves every important decision in the country. His life's goal was to destroy Israel and probably us if we're being truthful. He might just do the Hitler thing and let his people suffer instead of giving an inch. He's holding on to that enriched uranium until we pry it out of his cold dead hands.
You've got the Iranian public practically in a panic and fleeing Tehran . Keep the pressure on the population 24x7, but don't target them. They may eventually break and riot or at least the Supreme Leader is going to start feeling the heat in a big way to manage internal unrest. That's 90M people with no sense of direction and no rest. Something will snap.
I would let them negotiate a civilian monitored nuclear program as the best they can achieve. No centrifuges buried in mountains. They'll have to give it up. If they aren't willing to negotiate that, then they aren't going abandon a nuclear weapon. There's absolutely no need to enrich uranium for those levels for peaceful purposes. I believe that has always been the intent.
Don't give them a cease fire till you've got them tapped out though. They'll use it to stall.
My hope is that the regime has a survival instinct and will make a deal that keeps us from having to blow the place but you've got an 86 year old jew hating religious fanatic in charge that approves every important decision in the country. His life's goal was to destroy Israel and probably us if we're being truthful. He might just do the Hitler thing and let his people suffer instead of giving an inch. He's holding on to that enriched uranium until we pry it out of his cold dead hands.
Your statement reminds me of Bush's saying that Saddam has WMD's and needs to be taken out.
Netanyahu is employing the "begin" doctrine of 1981,..in which if an Israeli govt has any misgivings about a Middle Eastern neighbor developing nuclear technology/materials/etc,...then bombings of said sites are recommended then in 1981 and for posterity
In 1981, Iraq had reached an agreement with a French entity to build/train the iraqis a nuclear reactor for civil purposes. Months before it's official launch, Israel bombed the nuclear reactor.
The "begin"doctrine avoids debates about WMDs like the case in 2003 when bush/cheney spent almost a year trying to poke American sentiment into regime change of Iraq,...
The "begin" doctrine is an "easy" button for regime change with historical precedent for Israeli leaders and requires minimal coaxing of USA politicians
Obviously Israel does not want any arab neighbor to develop nuclear weapons,.because then Israel would be forced into diplomacy with a nuclear neighbor and could not bully their neighborhood..and keep its dreams of a "Greater Israel" through land expansion alive
In 1981, Iraq had reached an agreement with a French entity to build/train the iraqis a nuclear reactor for civil purposes. Months before it's official launch, Israel bombed the nuclear reactor.
The "begin"doctrine avoids debates about WMDs like the case in 2003 when bush/cheney spent almost a year trying to poke American sentiment into regime change of Iraq,...
The "begin" doctrine is an "easy" button for regime change with historical precedent for Israeli leaders and requires minimal coaxing of USA politicians
Obviously Israel does not want any arab neighbor to develop nuclear weapons,.because then Israel would be forced into diplomacy with a nuclear neighbor and could not bully their neighborhood..and keep its dreams of a "Greater Israel" through land expansion alive
Bully and land expansion. Never heard those mentioned with Israel.
Great idea. Iran seems to like fighting through proxies, so why should they not get some of that back.
If we do it, make sure they do not have the ability or stomach to hit us back. That supreme leader better be supremely dead.
I do not want the United States involved in another war in the Middle East.
However, we are so convinced that Iran would use a nuclear weapon weapon to hit Israel. They never complain about Israel without complaining about us, why would they not take that nuclear weapon and detonated in the United States?
I think if we can hit their underground facilities, we probably have to do that. Iran’s air defenses have never been down this far. They’re literally running out of missiles. Israel hit over 100 batteries just yesterday. Now 2/3 of Iran’s air defenses are gone. It feels like there will never be a better time.
Cannot wait until there is a nuke detonation in Manhattan. Also, would be few Iranian casualties, which is great.
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