becoming a party to a war that has raged for over a thousand years - American boots on the ground.
Sound leadership. Great idea.
Sound leadership. Great idea.
So we enter the war over Gaza Strip …
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Gaza terrorists should have thought twice before they slaughtered and abducted US citizens.
These people only understand force and nothing else. I would think Trump knows this, so some of these other floated ideas make more sense.
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Yeah we need to involve ourselves in a war that has no end for reasons that are fake. Been there done that. Only result is American deaths and considerable expense that only makes the rich richer. Go billionaires, bring it home. Right now we have kept terrorist attacks on our soil to a minimum. Do this at the same time we weaken our government especially the CIA, FBI and other national law enforcement organizations with incompetent leadership and we will see where we are 2 years from now.
So Trump has shown he is not just evil - he is stupid. He sees Gaza as a potential real estate development deal. About the craziest/stupidest idea ever. But MAGA republicans will come up with their excuses/reasoning supporting the felon dictator. Wait and read.
I love Trump but Thomas Massie is our only non Zionist politician.
My only positive spin is maybe this keeps Israel from blowing up more children with American tax dollars
A true enemy from within.
I thought America First meant we didn’t get involved in this kind of stuff.
You guys bitched for three years about all the money we were sending to Ukraine, I assume you will say the same about Gaza.
You guys bitched for three years about all the money we were sending to Ukraine, I assume you will say the same about Gaza.
I think the real purpose of this is to put Iran into a corner. By goading them with max pressure they will respond with attacks and give him justification for severe punishment. Iran has been severely weakened and their air defenses have proven to be worthless. Trump wants to either own Gaza or flatten Tehran and will take either outcome. Dangerous game.
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I don’t think anyone is supportive of an American war in Gaza. Most of all Trump. I’ll give him this….dude thinks way outside the box. That said I think this is a negotiating tactic for all players in the Middle East who want nothing to do with his idea.
Bottom line - let it play out. When we start losing Americans and/or spending hundreds of billions on Gaza….the outrage may be warranted. Until then…..unless
You haven’t been paying attention this is what Trump does. And his track recorrd
In the Middle East is better than any Prez in history. By far.
Yep, he's telling SA, Egypt and Jordan to handle it or we will. I'm sure Trump is thinking more along the lines of Abraham Accords II that building hotels in Gaza.
Someone will rebuild it and the poor peaceful persecuted Palestinians will just destroy it again with bombs and corruption… nobody wants these people, why?… hopefully Trump will force the oil billionaires in the Middle East to wake up from their pampered sheltered lives and help their neighbors… I thought Muslims were such compassionate and godly people?… the roaches here in US and all around the world are scattering as Big Donnie shines the light on them… and does anyone really think there will ever be a peaceful solution with Iran… either stay inside their borders and leave everyone alone… or get ready to go see all your virgins in hell… unbelievable we as a world have let this disease fester for so long!
You guys are both level headed posters. I feel like I can ask you this and you not think I am being an ass. I promise. I am not trying to be.
When does anyone who votes or alignes themselves against Trump, realize that what keeps being said about him turns out to mostly be false. He pre dealings as a Democrat real estate agent aside. They were brutal and why he deserves a lot of mistrust imo.
That being said, how many times does what the media and other democrats say have to turn out to be false before anyone in your position gives him the benefit of the doubt. He is the most investigated person in our country’s history. By far.
Charlottesville. Bs. Russian collusion bs. Zelensky. Absolutely warranted. Jesus. All the bs trials. Etc. To now. Tariffs are going to clobber us. He has lost his mind. No. He knew exactly what he is doing. Elon is finding more crazy ass expenditures daily. This is just one percent of what our government budget is. If it is this bad, what are they going to find over the next year. Now the Gaza threat. First thing everyone does is think he is nuts. Just going off the deep end. I think we can safely say, he knows exactly how to try to push the right buttons. This is a threat to get what he wants. Which is all anyone in the Middle East responds too.
Next. Who is out in front of the Democrat party right now. That inspires your support. Schumer, Warren, aoc? Even democrat comedians are making fun of how bad they are. It is like a parade of crazy and moronic idiots. The left is allowing their versions of mtg to run their party. And to be the mouthpiece. I just don’t get it. You are both very intelligent people. Help me understand. No judgment. Is it just that you hate Trump that much?
@KidneyStoned I would have included you, I am clear on where you stand on Trump.
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You libs just cannot help yourselves. Have you not been paying attention? This is all part of a negotiation tactic. Classic Donald Trump move. Every time he says something, the libs freak out immediately, then have to bite their tongue 48 hours later. Let the guy continue to play chess while you play checkers.
He continues to mention the incredible wealth in that region, and that there's no reason those folks should have to live like that. I think that's where this ends up. Great things happen when you put a business minded person with deal-making skills in charge, with a goal to achieve results rather than make sure he has the perfect soundbite, or avoids meeting certain folks for fear of optics.
The idea of the US "owning Gaza" is horrible, but I've become used to Trump's style of throwing out something outrageous and others negotiating from that point. Next week various Middle Eastern heads of state are coming to the US, and it wouldn't surprise me to see some sort of plan for regional buy-in to Gaza.
If you can get some sort of Dubai-on-the coast arrangement worked out, with a large Palestinian population living along side an international community, it could align incentives that could limit hostilities between Israel and Palestinian nationalism. You need more direct skin in the game from Arab nations, rather than it's convenient use as a proxy agitator.
But any plan that requires US boots on the ground to play Gaza police is obviously an absolute disaster waiting to happen.
If you can get some sort of Dubai-on-the coast arrangement worked out, with a large Palestinian population living along side an international community, it could align incentives that could limit hostilities between Israel and Palestinian nationalism. You need more direct skin in the game from Arab nations, rather than it's convenient use as a proxy agitator.
But any plan that requires US boots on the ground to play Gaza police is obviously an absolute disaster waiting to happen.
Such a master negotiator. Kinda like his embarrassing bluff with Canada and Mexico? He is such a joke.
Hilarious how these libs have not figured out the way Trump operates and his methods when getting these deals..its going to be a long long 4 yrs for them…lol
Low country, I get your point, I’m willing to see what happens, and hopefully, it’s all a bluff to negotiate. If not, I have no idea what America First means.
Great style for the poor businessman he was or TV personality on The Apprentice, but terrible for a President. So you think it's great for Trump to say we can fly for $2 as explanation for questioning the rail system in California. I don't know the details and whether it should be built, but cost overruns are unfortunately par for the course. I'm sure it has nothing to do with it being in California. After his stupid stunt with the water, he needed something else.
Nearly 3 dozen American citizens were slaughtered by the terrorists in Gaza on 10/7. Numerous others kidnapped… Is it not America First to defend its own citizens?
Unfortunately there is a large portion of the America First base that views the Israeli state as an essential part of their religion, which (not unreasonably, given that view) trumps traditional nationalist appeals.
Trump is unquestionably one of the most effective presidents of modern history. You may hate his style, you may hate what he accomplishes, but this is unquestionably true. I hate FDR and LBJ, but I can't question their effectiveness.
Seems odd to point to his his attacks on California's train boondoggle though, because the issues there are not "part for the course." Florida started four years later and has successfully built a profitable train with more rail laid than California. Florida's Brightline cost under 8 million a mile, while California's is projected at over 153 million a mile. It's insane.
California is an example of a failed state, they can't do basic things. As such, it's not a great ground to attack Trump on.
FWIW, I think this from Trump is more important than his Gaza vision.
The difficulty of Trump's Middle Eastern policy going forward is that the Abraham Accords worked because the intent was to sideline Iran, and ignore the Palestinian question. Post-Oct 7th that's obviously not possible. So Trump being able to get a deal with Iran, that has the support of the Arab world, is an essential lift to get anything resembling peace done with the Palestinian question.
Normalization with Iran brings them to the table, Middle Eastern powers at the same table gives all of them skin in the game, multi-lateral skin in the game brings stability. Stability brings prosperity. Prosperity brings lasting peace.
The difficulty of Trump's Middle Eastern policy going forward is that the Abraham Accords worked because the intent was to sideline Iran, and ignore the Palestinian question. Post-Oct 7th that's obviously not possible. So Trump being able to get a deal with Iran, that has the support of the Arab world, is an essential lift to get anything resembling peace done with the Palestinian question.
Normalization with Iran brings them to the table, Middle Eastern powers at the same table gives all of them skin in the game, multi-lateral skin in the game brings stability. Stability brings prosperity. Prosperity brings lasting peace.
I find myself wondering if Marco Rubio knew that announcement was coming. I’m betting he found out at the same time as everyone else and he’s wondering what the hell he’s gotten himself into
I think his style is inappropriate for a President - we can disagree. I think just making up numbers is not appropriate (of course, he is so used to doing that from his time in business). Most effective is a laugh. He didn't accomplish much his first term. We'll have to see what he does this time.
I said overruns are par for the course. I am not familiar with the details, but need to check into that. I think his comment is a perfect ground to attack him on.
But, let's talk actual facts. Are you saying that Brightline is a profitable train? I would love to see your figures.
He didn't say a damn thing about Boots on ground
I get it. I understand why his WWE-style is so off-putting to some.
The curious part about him, compared to the rest of our modern political class, is that I find him far more honest and sincere than anyone else who has been in the position in my lifetime. Yes, he exaggerates. Yes, there are things he says that seem to be entirely for effect. But our government also largely runs off of "making up numbers" and all sorts of fugazi contrivances that I can't really care about any of it. It ranges from the benign of changing different government measurements (like inflation measures) to achieve preferrable outcomes, various "noble myths" about how institutions actually operate, or just the inherent lies of modern policies ("if you like your government, you can keep it", "The Inflation Adjustment Act.")
You only get a Trump if your political system is failing. And a failing political system almost never fixes itself through "appropriate" measures. It's probably much better to have a Trump than a traditional strongman that typically raises from such a situation.
As far as overruns go, I think the California train situation is an outlier even for what one expects from California - much less the rest of the country. There's a reason it's one of the go-to punching bags for government incompetency.
On Brightline, I honestly hadn't dug too deep into that topic but I guess my understanding is wrong. I had read a few years about it becoming profitable, but I think that may have been particular routes rather than the entire service, which has taken on a lot more debt as it expands. But still, it's been built at a fraction of the cost and actually serving customers with far less time.
OK, so there is a lot where we disagree. No problem.
Using Trump and honest in the same sentence tells me you are really ignorant about him. I can understand wanting some of the changes he wants even if I don't agree with all of them. I have to laugh at you trying to say it's okay that a President lies or even exaggerates. We're not talking about campaigning where most politicians lie. We're talking about getting in front of the country and saying those things. That doesn't instill confidence to me. He started that at the end of his first term in case you have forgotten.
So sincere means that he really thinks DEI caused the crash and that it's appropriate to say that when the mourning has just begun. Fortunately, it appears someone else wrote his statement after the crash in Pennsylvania because it sure didn't sound like him.
So you make a claim about Brightline when you don't really have the facts. And try and justify it. No wonder you like Trump and I'm talking about him and not what he's going to do.
You Dems are still so ignorant to what is actually happening. All you want is scream and lie to the people who really don’t want to hear your bull.
