State of Florida CFO Jimmy Patronis

[3 Pete]

This guy rocks.


IRS is getting bigger and Florida has 4 huge moves underway to protect residents

In Florida, I am advocating for four new policies to protect our state from the big-government IRS bureaucrats who are not here to help. They are here to hunt. The following is what I am calling: Florida Fights Back — Four Pillars of Protection from the IRS:

● The State of Florida can require state-charted banks to generate a regular report on IRS engagement. This information would be used to identify IRS targets, so the state can help identify any potential patterns of discrimination and highlight how the new auditors are targeting the middle class and small businesses. This information would also be regularly provided to elected representatives in Florida and Washington, D.C., to help check the unbridled new powers of the IRS.

● Establish a Civil Liability Trust Fund to help small businesses defend themselves, or even sue the IRS in cases of politically motivated audits or federal overreach. This trust fund could help small businesses acquire representation for tax court. In criminal cases, defendants are provided a public defender, but that is not the case with civil law. This trust fund would provide a special tax counsel so that the small business owners do not feel like they have to immediately settle. It is our hope this measure would create a chilling effect for IRS agents to bring cases.

● Create a license at the state level so new IRS agents are required to register in order to access account information. This licensure process would further scrutinize IRS operatives and examine their backgrounds and motives to protect Florida consumer information. To further bolster transparency, the list of licensed new IRS operatives in Florida would be made publicly available, so consumers are provided evidence in cases where IRS agents act outside of the law.

● Establish criminal penalties for enforcing laws-based political discrimination. There is documented evidence that the IRS targeted Tea Party groups in 2013, and no doubt the IRS under the Biden administration would do the same to many businesses and organizations in Florida who have professed a love of freedom. Florida must force IRS bureaucrats to think twice before once again targeting conservatives.

 

[celticdawg]

This guy rocks.


IRS is getting bigger and Florida has 4 huge moves underway to protect residents

In Florida, I am advocating for four new policies to protect our state from the big-government IRS bureaucrats who are not here to help. They are here to hunt. The following is what I am calling: Florida Fights Back — Four Pillars of Protection from the IRS:

● The State of Florida can require state-charted banks to generate a regular report on IRS engagement. This information would be used to identify IRS targets, so the state can help identify any potential patterns of discrimination and highlight how the new auditors are targeting the middle class and small businesses. This information would also be regularly provided to elected representatives in Florida and Washington, D.C., to help check the unbridled new powers of the IRS.

● Establish a Civil Liability Trust Fund to help small businesses defend themselves, or even sue the IRS in cases of politically motivated audits or federal overreach. This trust fund could help small businesses acquire representation for tax court. In criminal cases, defendants are provided a public defender, but that is not the case with civil law. This trust fund would provide a special tax counsel so that the small business owners do not feel like they have to immediately settle. It is our hope this measure would create a chilling effect for IRS agents to bring cases.

● Create a license at the state level so new IRS agents are required to register in order to access account information. This licensure process would further scrutinize IRS operatives and examine their backgrounds and motives to protect Florida consumer information. To further bolster transparency, the list of licensed new IRS operatives in Florida would be made publicly available, so consumers are provided evidence in cases where IRS agents act outside of the law.

● Establish criminal penalties for enforcing laws-based political discrimination. There is documented evidence that the IRS targeted Tea Party groups in 2013, and no doubt the IRS under the Biden administration would do the same to many businesses and organizations in Florida who have professed a love of freedom. Florida must force IRS bureaucrats to think twice before once again targeting conservatives.

Another joke from you. The only move under way is this political ploy by Patronis. You realize Patronis can't do a single thing about putting any of this into action. It's election time if you forgot.

I'm not even sure if all this is legal, but that's a hallmark of DeSantis and his cronies. Enjoy wishing for it. And I guess this also goes along with your concept of less government involvement.

 

[3 Pete]

Another joke from you. The only move under way is this political ploy by Patronis. You realize Patronis can't do a single thing about putting any of this into action. It's election time if you forgot.

I'm not even sure if all this is legal, but that's a hallmark of DeSantis and his cronies. Enjoy wishing for it. And I guess this also goes along with your concept of less government involvement.

Without the IRS, people will have more money to attend your drag shows.

 

[celticdawg]

People would have more money to attend your drag shows.

Sounds good. What time are you performing?

 

[Bruze]

Another joke from you. The only move under way is this political ploy by Patronis. You realize Patronis can't do a single thing about putting any of this into action. It's election time if you forgot.

I'm not even sure if all this is legal, but that's a hallmark of DeSantis and his cronies. Enjoy wishing for it. And I guess this also goes along with your concept of less government involvement.

This yore Sattiday night?

 

[PotimusWillie]

Another joke from you. The only move under way is this political ploy by Patronis. You realize Patronis can't do a single thing about putting any of this into action. It's election time if you forgot.

I'm not even sure if all this is legal, but that's a hallmark of DeSantis and his cronies. Enjoy wishing for it. And I guess this also goes along with your concept of less government involvement.

celtic, it’s all politics. Every single decision by any elected official.

What I am confused on though is the less government comment. States fighting or protecting its citizens from the Fed is healthy. That is the representation part. The Fed doesn’t represent me, as a citizen of a state.

The IRS expansion is about as vulgar a central government overreach as I can remember. We were never meant to be dictated to, as a citizen, by a centralized gov.

Sorry, had to come out of retirement to post this. Back to self imposed excile.

Hope you and family are well.

 

[celticdawg]

celtic, it’s all politics. Every single decision by any elected official.

What I am confused on though is the less government comment. States fighting or protecting its citizens from the Fed is healthy. That is the representation part. The Fed doesn’t represent me, as a citizen of a state.

The IRS expansion is about as vulgar a central government overreach as I can remember. We were never meant to be dictated to, as a citizen, by a centralized gov.

Sorry, had to come out of retirement to post this. Back to self imposed excile.

Hope you and family are well.

We are and I hope the same for you.

Yes, everything is politics and that's not good.

I considered that a joke because it's another politician making a statement that his supporters are going to love. But it's significant that he doesn't have the power to do that himself. And I seriously doubt it will happen.

The government comment is that essentially each of the four ideas creates more government involvement even if it's new reporting. Not less.

Under the guise of protecting the citizens is the issue that some things are Federal issues and some are State. I cannot see a State being able to require registration from a federal agent.

Let's remember that Congress passes laws and then someone or something has to make regulations and enforce the laws.

I don't know why so much money was authorized. But one side is getting a little carried away with this chicken little scenario in my opinion. Back to your politics comment.

I will tell you that it's ridiculous that I filed my taxes back in April and haven't gotten my refund yet. I never even received an accounting for 2020 as to why my refund was different than what I filed. This never used to happen.

The average taxpayer not cheating on their taxes isn't going to have a problem. But with the rise of the gig economy, who knows. And obviously with underreporting that is going on that will show up on a 1099, there is a lot more work that needs to be done to reconcile things.

Just think of all those NIL deals. 😁

As far as being dictated by a central government, then we are talking about some fundermental concept beyond the scope of this more immediate issue.

 

[KidneyStoned]

This guy rocks.


IRS is getting bigger and Florida has 4 huge moves underway to protect residents

In Florida, I am advocating for four new policies to protect our state from the big-government IRS bureaucrats who are not here to help. They are here to hunt. The following is what I am calling: Florida Fights Back — Four Pillars of Protection from the IRS:

● The State of Florida can require state-charted banks to generate a regular report on IRS engagement. This information would be used to identify IRS targets, so the state can help identify any potential patterns of discrimination and highlight how the new auditors are targeting the middle class and small businesses. This information would also be regularly provided to elected representatives in Florida and Washington, D.C., to help check the unbridled new powers of the IRS.

● Establish a Civil Liability Trust Fund to help small businesses defend themselves, or even sue the IRS in cases of politically motivated audits or federal overreach. This trust fund could help small businesses acquire representation for tax court. In criminal cases, defendants are provided a public defender, but that is not the case with civil law. This trust fund would provide a special tax counsel so that the small business owners do not feel like they have to immediately settle. It is our hope this measure would create a chilling effect for IRS agents to bring cases.

● Create a license at the state level so new IRS agents are required to register in order to access account information. This licensure process would further scrutinize IRS operatives and examine their backgrounds and motives to protect Florida consumer information. To further bolster transparency, the list of licensed new IRS operatives in Florida would be made publicly available, so consumers are provided evidence in cases where IRS agents act outside of the law.

● Establish criminal penalties for enforcing laws-based political discrimination. There is documented evidence that the IRS targeted Tea Party groups in 2013, and no doubt the IRS under the Biden administration would do the same to many businesses and organizations in Florida who have professed a love of freedom. Florida must force IRS bureaucrats to think twice before once again targeting conservatives.

Hilarious .. literally none of that has any teeth. The IRS can, and will, laugh in the face of any state official that attempts to enforce this stuff. It’s political grandstanding designed to appeal to the gullible …

 

[PotimusWillie]

Hilarious .. literally none of that has any teeth. The IRS can, and will, laugh in the face of any state official that attempts to enforce this stuff. It’s political grandstanding designed to appeal to the gullible …

Are you happy the state might not be able to enforce “this stuff”?

The central government is a dangerous creature and our founding fathers knew that. When central government grows and expands, you and I have less representation and lose value in our vote.

Expanding the IRS to fuel an irresponsible government (financially), is vulgar and reeks of socialist elitism.

Allow the citizens to use the free market economy as it was intended and you create wealth, but it provides no power to the political elite.

Local government, good. Central government, bad. It cannot be controlled.

 

[Bells76]

Another joke from you. The only move under way is this political ploy by Patronis. You realize Patronis can't do a single thing about putting any of this into action. It's election time if you forgot.

I'm not even sure if all this is legal, but that's a hallmark of DeSantis and his cronies. Enjoy wishing for it. And I guess this also goes along with your concept of less government involvement.

this is sad, a US citizen actually taking the side of big govt and the IRS.

 

[celticdawg]

this is sad, a US citizen actually taking the side of big govt and the IRS.

What's really sad is you constantly twisting what is said into what you think was said so that you can continue to make statements like this.

This was political bs that isn't going to happen. It sounds like more government so that DeSantis can control everything.

 

[Bells76]

What's really sad is you constantly twisting what is said into what you think was said so that you can continue to make statements like this.

This was political bs that isn't going to happen. It sounds like more government so that DeSantis can control everything.

And this is why I don't trust anyone willing to put a D beside their name. dems skip all facts and go right to motive, in an effort to skew the direction of the conversation and gain the upper hand.

Take each one of those statements one by one. Every single one of them empowers florida's citizens to fight an overzealous and ever-growing Federal gov't.

* The first one makes it more difficult for the IRS to identify potential targets they mean to victimize.

* The second helps give small businesses in florida a fighting chance when the IRS hauls them into court, at which time they could bury small business with their overwhelming resources.

*The third helps to eliminate abuses of individual IRS agents, now armed to the teeth as "federal agents". It could serve to lessen the political targeting of victims that dems have been employing since obama made it popular.

* The fourth again would provide penalties for IRS agents targeting a person, business or organization because of their political ideals.

Dems (you) don't like it because it this would serve to neutralize immoral and unlawful abuse of the federal government and help level the playing field. dems don't like it because they will be held accountable for breaking the law. dems don't like this because it gives individuals a fighting chance and reduces the overall ability of the federal govt to usurp power from the people they were meant to serve. Dems don't like it because it lessens their ability to skew this into an issue about motive, and instead look at the outcome for the average citizen.

These are excellent plans and I would not underestimate Desantis. the more he introduces laws that increase liberty and govt of the people, by the people and for the people, the more support he will draw.

 

[celticdawg]

And this is why I don't trust anyone willing to put a D beside their name. dems skip all facts and go right to motive, in an effort to skew the direction of the conversation and gain the upper hand.

Take each one of those statements one by one. Every single one of them empowers florida's citizens to fight an overzealous and ever-growing Federal gov't.

* The first one makes it more difficult for the IRS to identify potential targets they mean to victimize.

* The second helps give small businesses in florida a fighting chance when the IRS hauls them into court, at which time they could bury small business with their overwhelming resources.

*The third helps to eliminate abuses of individual IRS agents, now armed to the teeth as "federal agents". It could serve to lessen the political targeting of victims that dems have been employing since obama made it popular.

* The fourth again would provide penalties for IRS agents targeting a person, business or organization because of their political ideals.

Dems (you) don't like it because it this would serve to neutralize immoral and unlawful abuse of the federal government and help level the playing field. dems don't like it because they will be held accountable for breaking the law. dems don't like this because it gives individuals a fighting chance and reduces the overall ability of the federal govt to usurp power from the people they were meant to serve. Dems don't like it because it lessens their ability to skew this into an issue about motive, and instead look at the outcome for the average citizen.

These are excellent plans and I would not underestimate Desantis. the more he introduces laws that increase liberty and govt of the people, by the people and for the people, the more support he will draw.

Thank you for proving my point. You want more government control but disguise it well. And don't worry, I'll never underestimate what DeSantis is trying to do. I love how all these people who support him can't even spell his name correctly.

 

[Bells76]

Thank you for proving my point. You want more government control but disguise it well. And don't worry, I'll never underestimate what DeSantis is trying to do. I love how all these people who support him can't even spell his name correctly.

If you think I proved your point, or putting more power in the hands of average people and small businesses is government expansion, you are truly brainwashed.

 

[orangeisgay]

We are and I hope the same for you.

Yes, everything is politics and that's not good.

I considered that a joke because it's another politician making a statement that his supporters are going to love. But it's significant that he doesn't have the power to do that himself. And I seriously doubt it will happen.

The government comment is that essentially each of the four ideas creates more government involvement even if it's new reporting. Not less.

Under the guise of protecting the citizens is the issue that some things are Federal issues and some are State. I cannot see a State being able to require registration from a federal agent.

Let's remember that Congress passes laws and then someone or something has to make regulations and enforce the laws.

I don't know why so much money was authorized. But one side is getting a little carried away with this chicken little scenario in my opinion. Back to your politics comment.

I will tell you that it's ridiculous that I filed my taxes back in April and haven't gotten my refund yet. I never even received an accounting for 2020 as to why my refund was different than what I filed. This never used to happen.

The average taxpayer not cheating on their taxes isn't going to have a problem. But with the rise of the gig economy, who knows. And obviously with underreporting that is going on that will show up on a 1099, there is a lot more work that needs to be done to reconcile things.

Just think of all those NIL deals. 😁

As far as being dictated by a central government, then we are talking about some fundermental concept beyond the scope of this more immediate issue.

ah there you have it, you are an employee with the employee mentality. Time to hit the ignore button on this guy folks.

 

[HacksawDawg]

He's still greeting guests at Capt. Anderson's in my mind. But I'm all for these four actions if they can pass.