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The administration misapplied their own nonsensical tariff formula

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$6.6t in lost market value in two days and the WH misapplied their own horribly conceived tariff formula by a factor of nearly 4x. This is a level of incompetence hard to fathom.

Ok, Trumpers. Let’s hear the explanation that this is actually all 4D chess from the POTUS. Make your case.


 
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Markets are spooked. Employers aren't.
Employers added a robust 228,000 jobs in March, the Labor Department reported on Friday. This was well above expectations.

Lots of forklift jobs for terminated government workers.
Sectors such as transportation and warehousing were key drivers of growth for the month.
 
Markets are spooked. Employers aren't.
Employers added a robust 228,000 jobs in March, the Labor Department reported on Friday. This was well above expectations.

Lots of forklift jobs for terminated government workers.
Sectors such as transportation and warehousing were key drivers of growth for the month.
But I thought the economy was so awful that “radical surgery was required to save the patient”?

Good job numbers in March is actually an argument against what Trump just did.

Let’s see how those April job numbers look.
 
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Markets are spooked. Employers aren't.
Employers added a robust 228,000 jobs in March, the Labor Department reported on Friday. This was well above expectations.

Lots of forklift jobs for terminated government workers.
Sectors such as transportation and warehousing were key drivers of growth for the month.
You think what happened in the labor market last month means anything now. Employers are certainly spooked about where the economy is headed.
 
But I thought the economy was so awful that “radical surgery was required to save the patient”?

Good job numbers in March is actually an argument against what Trump just did.

Let’s see how those April job numbers look.
I'm waiting for the 3rd straight month of downward revisions...I thought that only happened under Biden...
 
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Markets are spooked. Employers aren't.
Employers added a robust 228,000 jobs in March, the Labor Department reported on Friday. This was well above expectations.

Lots of forklift jobs for terminated government workers.
Sectors such as transportation and warehousing were key drivers of growth for the month.
This is sadly accurate.

 
This is sadly accurate.

He knows that. Probably wanted a weaker number so the fed would be more worried about employment mandate and lower rates. But any president at any time is gonna victory lap over a good jobs print. And God knows he needs something positive to talk about with the markets down 10 percent the past week on his tariff rollout.
 
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$6.6t in lost market value in two days and the WH misapplied their own horribly conceived tariff formula by a factor of nearly 4x. This is a level of incompetence hard to fathom.

Ok, Trumpers. Let’s hear the explanation that this is actually all 4D chess from the POTUS. Make your case.




“This is a level of incompetence hard to fathom.” Said the guy who supported a vegetable for 4 years, lol?! #OkayBoomer
 
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This is sadly accurate.

I’m confident if this was a democrat president, you would be singing his praises and talking about how much he’s helping the job market. But since it’s Trump, you’re against it. Give it some freaking time! For the love of God, wait to see how things end up before bashing the decision to try something different than what’s been done for years.
 
This is sadly accurate.

Businesses have had 5 months to prepare for the new administration. Businesses love Trump. Markets don’t like the uncertainty but will turn once the dust settles.

The Dems still think borrowing trillions every year to spur on the economy is a good plan because the market was up. It is not a good plan and drastic measures were needed. Do you really think 4 more years of the same thing was going to work out well for us?

Trump is surrounded by some brilliant minds and this is the plan for the next few years. Your side pushed us to a Trump presidency both times so thanks.
 
I’m confident if this was a democrat president, you would be singing his praises and talking about how much he’s helping the job market. But since it’s Trump, you’re against it. Give it some freaking time! For the love of God, wait to see how things end up before bashing the decision to try something different than what’s been done for years.
If you are confident of that, then I give your statements no credit. You are so wrong on that. There is nothing wrong with tariffs applied appropriately and they have certainly been used before. We don't have any choice but to wait and see how things end up, but there is very little support from people who know what they are talking about such as economists and other business people. Companies can't even make plans because things keep changing. Finally, those charts and calculations are a joke. They are made up and that's a big problem with Trump who often makes things up.
 
Must not be they are hiring like hell right now.
Please supply some actual information on that. Companies don't know what they are going to be doing in the future and adding employees is likely the last thing. We may not have a recession, but it doesn't look good for the economy in the short run. It sounds just like Trump who said the increase in employment meant he was doing the right thing. No correlation between hiring in March and the effect on future employment from the tariffs.
 
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If you are confident of that, then I give your statements no credit. You are so wrong on that. There is nothing wrong with tariffs applied appropriately and they have certainly been used before. We don't have any choice but to wait and see how things end up, but there is very little support from people who know what they are talking about such as economists and other business people. Companies can't even make plans because things keep changing. Finally, those charts and calculations are a joke. They are made up and that's a big problem with Trump who often makes things up.


Well his main economist, who is smart on this stuff, is definitely behind Trump and isn’t freaking out. The only ones freaking out are people that listen to the MSN, as if they’ve been bastions of honesty and integrity lately.
 


Well his main economist, who is smart on this stuff, is definitely behind Trump and isn’t freaking out. The only ones freaking out are people that listen to the MSN, as if they’ve been bastions of honesty and integrity lately.
Duh - Everyone who is willing to work for Trump supports him unconditionally because that is what Trump demands. That is not the opinion of the majority of economists. I didn't talk about "freaking out" in my response but you go to the tried and true response trying to disparage what people might be listening to (which doesn't include me).

No response to claiming that if it was a Democrat people would be singing their praises (I see plenty of Republican politicians questioning some of what Trump is doing though that's not what we were discussing). Also I don't see you responding to the made up calculations (explanations have been posted here on the Chat a number of times).
 
Duh - Everyone who is willing to work for Trump supports him unconditionally because that is what Trump demands. That is not the opinion of the majority of economists. I didn't talk about "freaking out" in my response but you go to the tried and true response trying to disparage what people might be listening to (which doesn't include me).

No response to claiming that if it was a Democrat people would be singing their praises (I see plenty of Republican politicians questioning some of what Trump is doing though that's not what we were discussing). Also I don't see you responding to the made up calculations (explanations have been posted here on the Chat a number of times).
I’m not going to respond to the calculations because I know nothing about that stuff and I’m not going to pretend I do. It’s normal to question things that are new, Trump’s approach right now is new, but that doesn’t mean it’s dumb and won’t work.
 
I’m not going to respond to the calculations because I know nothing about that stuff and I’m not going to pretend I do. It’s normal to question things that are new, Trump’s approach right now is new, but that doesn’t mean it’s dumb and won’t work.
Check out the thread "Ok, here are the actual Tariffs the Dems have been screaming bloody murder most foul about:", especially post #3 and #16. It's not that Trump's approach is new, it's made up. It's not what he says it is. They didn't even calculate it correctly as has been shown. That makes it dumb whether it works or not. Why don't you bother learning about something before making random political comments. Why do you think people blindly supporting Trump in everything are being criticized here?
 
Check out the thread "Ok, here are the actual Tariffs the Dems have been screaming bloody murder most foul about:", especially post #3 and #16. It's not that Trump's approach is new, it's made up. It's not what he says it is. They didn't even calculate it correctly as has been shown. That makes it dumb whether it works or not. Why don't you bother learning about something before making random political comments. Why do you think people blindly supporting Trump in everything are being criticized here?
I am learning about it. I haven’t looked in to the calculations used yet, so I’m not commenting on it. Bessent isn’t an idiot and he’s standing behind Trump’s plan. There are other smart folks backing up his plans. So that gives me some hope. I’m hesitant to believe anything you’re putting out because you’ve got a recent history of getting info from MSNBC……
 
$6.6t in lost market value in two days and the WH misapplied their own horribly conceived tariff formula by a factor of nearly 4x. This is a level of incompetence hard to fathom.

Ok, Trumpers. Let’s hear the explanation that this is actually all 4D chess from the POTUS. Make your case.


I mean, they applied the tariffs they applied. However they came up with it. If Democrats had a better plan, they should have campaigned on it.

I don’t like this turmoil. But Trump was clear about what he would do.
 
Businesses have had 5 months to prepare for the new administration. Businesses love Trump. Markets don’t like the uncertainty but will turn once the dust settles.

The Dems still think borrowing trillions every year to spur on the economy is a good plan because the market was up. It is not a good plan and drastic measures were needed. Do you really think 4 more years of the same thing was going to work out well for us?

Trump is surrounded by some brilliant minds and this is the plan for the next few years. Your side pushed us to a Trump presidency both times so thanks.
If we balance the budget, this was brilliant. If we run a deficit, this was horrible.

We’ll know soon.

Some president was going to be the hot potato to have to stop the borrowing. Might as well be Trump.
 
If we balance the budget, this was brilliant. If we run a deficit, this was horrible.

We’ll know soon.

Some president was going to be the hot potato to have to stop the borrowing. Might as well be Trump.
In what world do you think this has anything to do with balancing the budget? If balancing the budget is pizza, the tariffs are butterflys. They have absolutely nothing in common except they exist on Earth.
 
I am learning about it. I haven’t looked in to the calculations used yet, so I’m not commenting on it. Bessent isn’t an idiot and he’s standing behind Trump’s plan. There are other smart folks backing up his plans. So that gives me some hope. I’m hesitant to believe anything you’re putting out because you’ve got a recent history of getting info from MSNBC……
Yes, Bessent isn't an idiot. He's being a loyal soldier and we'll see how long that lasts. I'm fine with you hoping it works out - I certainly hope for the best even if I don't have good reason for it.

I have to laugh at the last line. I never watch MSNBC so that's not where I get my info. Almost every thing I read is found online so it could come from anywhere. But it is usually something that is being reported by a number of sources so it doesn't matter where it comes from. Different sources might put a different bias with a headline, but it doesn't change facts. If I am not listening to sports radio in the car I listen to conservative radio shows. That way I know what the Trump supporters will be writing the next day.

We get fooled by fake stories on occasion, but I try to only post facts. That's why so many responses don't get questioned. When they can't, they bring up Biden or something else that doesn't matter with the issue.
 
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If we balance the budget, this was brilliant. If we run a deficit, this was horrible.

We’ll know soon.

Some president was going to be the hot potato to have to stop the borrowing. Might as well be Trump.
This! If you listen to the interview with Bissent it would have been easy and fun( my word) to just keep printing money but a mistake.

They want to get rates down and maybe a better deal on tarries. If it does not work o well we are eventually screwed due to our debt. .
 
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This! If you listen to the interview with Bissent it would have been easy and fun( my word) to just keep printing money but a mistake.

They want to get rates down and maybe a better deal on tarries. If it does not work o well we are eventually screwed due to our debt. .
If they actually want to get rates down, maybe don’t do the the most inflationary thing you can do…tariff the entire world
 
In what world do you think this has anything to do with balancing the budget? If balancing the budget is pizza, the tariffs are butterflys. They have absolutely nothing in common except they exist on Earth.
Yikes.
 
If they actually want to get rates down, maybe don’t do the the most inflationary thing you can do…tariff the entire world
Dude, rates are coming down before the tariffs have even kicked in. Just the threat is working. And, oh BTW it’s looking like your knee-jerk screaming and whining is going to backfire:





 
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But if he cancels the tariffs how is he going to bring back manufacturing? That was the goal right? It only works if prices rise substantially over a long period of time.
Because at zero, coupled with falling energy costs, raw material pricing comes down. Then it becomes a competitive thing and I’ve yet to see the US get beat when everyone starts at the same level.
 
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Because at zero, coupled with falling energy costs, raw material pricing comes down. Then it becomes a competitive thing and I’ve yet to see the US get beat when everyone starts at the same level.
So when the EU stops tariffing us 2%, our economy will explode?
 
“The World Trade Organization says the EU's average tariff rate is 5.0%, while the Commission says the average tariff on goods traded between the EU and the U.S. is about 1% for both sides.”

There are 2 factors that Reuters (unsurprisingly) glosses over. Industry specific European tariffs such as autos, textiles, alcohol and agriculture are significantly higher and VAT and other costs imposed by Europe that exceed 20%. On that latter point, Reuters simply states that "The EU says VAT is not a tariff and is similar to the U.S. sales tax." That's crappy reporting. Neither the Feds nor any US state charges in excess of 20% sales tax. Ignoring that difference is material and undermines the argument that the US and Europe charge each other similarly.
 
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$6.6t in lost market value in two days and the WH misapplied their own horribly conceived tariff formula by a factor of nearly 4x. This is a level of incompetence hard to fathom.

Ok, Trumpers. Let’s hear the explanation that this is actually all 4D chess from the POTUS. Make your case.


Those penguins on the random island in the Antarctic are gonna finally pay their dues.
 
There are 2 factors that Reuters (unsurprisingly) glosses over. Industry specific European tariffs such as autos, textiles, alcohol and agriculture are significantly higher and VAT and other costs imposed by Europe that exceed 20%. On that latter point, Reuters simply states that "The EU says VAT is not a tariff and is similar to the U.S. sales tax." That's crappy reporting. Neither the Feds nor any US state charges in excess of 20% sales tax. Ignoring that difference is material and undermines the argument that the US and Europe charge each other similarly.
VAT is charged for all products consumed in a country and applies to imports and domestic goods equally. How is that not like a sales tax?
 
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