Trump ABC interview
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You lock up Schumer and and Waters for their incitement, and then we'll talk about whether Trump should be held responsible despite him imploring ppl to peacefully protest. Until then, please don't waste our time.
For sure. Media is famous for editing Trump interviews in a way that make him look better….ignoring the more controversial comments and making sure everything includes context.
You are so lost in your fantasies. And obsessed in anything when you can't defend Trump.
Dinesh D’Spuza is a proven liar convicted of felony campaign fraud. I don’t believe him or anyone he promotes.
And, once again, it doesn’t matter if the government thinks his tattoos are evidence of gang affiliation. He still enjoys the protection of due process and if the evidence is so strong the government can easily prove it in court.
Come on Will. Trump said that he had MS-13 actually tattooed on his knuckles. Certainly you believe whatever the President of the United States says is true.
Past Presidents didn't follow due process so Trump doesn't have to. Don't you understand the rules of a dictatorship?
No. You just didn’t give a damn when it was Obama. Now you care because it is Trump. There is no explanation that works here. Please all of you enlighten me. If this was Kamala no one is saying a damn thing. But oh look, she has become so strong on the border. Despite not knowing where the border was for four years. This is all political and hypocritical. If one of you posted about Biden subverting border laws on purpose for the last four years, it may add some credibility to yours and wills claims. He didn’t care about the laws or due process either. Tell me I am wrong. He literally flew people in and put them in hotels so they were never detained or given a hearing. I don’t understand how anyone can not see what is wrong here.
Literally they want to delay all deportations. So in the hopes four years from now they can grant all these potential voters amnesty. How in the world can this be defended. For christ sakes, California just asked the government for 3.6 billion to make up for illegal healthcare bills out there.
Sounds so familiar
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What "due process" has he not received? Why have you continually ignored his valid deportation order? Are you still incorrectly claiming the Supreme Court directed his return to the US? Whatever due process is applicable can be done w/o any sort of return from his home country.
Absolutely agree. (Even with the ad hominem Dinesh appraisal.)
However, as of today, the venue of that decision and its Habeas Corpus outcome is now in the place of confinement and State not Federal court.
Bosaberg’s penumbras (and other shopped Federal courts) of venue/jurisdiction have been quashed.
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This will finally be investigated J-6 and you will get to see what really happened that day. Then we can put it to rest. I don’t think it will be what you so deeply believe though.
The withholding of removal order prevented his deportation to El Salvador, which is where the government sent him. If the administration wishes to overturn the court-ordered withholding of removal, they need to argue that before a judge and Abrego Garcia gets to make his case that the withholding is needed for his safety. Presumably, this hearing would include the topic of whether he is affiliated with a gang or not.
Do you really believe that the most documented mass felony in the history of our country happened because of a federal conspiracy to set up those hundreds of people convicted of violent felonies and they are all just innocent victims of forces beyond their control?
That’s quite a summary of Trump’s first one hundred days that includes many incorrect facts. I’ll try and keep my response brief.
Illegal crossings are down. That’s correct. Trump is blatantly ignoring constitutional rights such as due process and free speech while he has plain-clothes agents grabbing people off the streets and throwing them in unmarked vans. Bondi has stated that nearly suspecting the presence of an illegal immigrant allows agents to ignore the requirement for a search warrant, which again is an unconstitutional act.
No doubt we could reduce petty theft by cutting off people’s hands, but that would also be unconstitutional.
The markets aren’t down because the “media created a mass hysteria”. That’s an absurd assertion and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of economics on your part.
Tariffs aren’t a new concept. Economists have been studying their impact for centuries. Everything that is happening now was entirely predictable, as I stated in prior discussions with you and @-lowcountrydawg. I’m no genius, but I am a student of history and I was correct in my predictions. In fact, it’s even worse than I predicted because the implementation of the tariffs has been so haphazard and incompetently executed, with changes from week to week. This has made the uncertainty even more extreme.
Doge has been worse than a failure. No fraud found, very limited saving, but very real damage to core functions of our government including medical research.
But it’s even worse than that. Elon was able to access terabytes of data that should be protected from this kind of access and I can promise you he isn’t using it for an approved purpose. We will see more on that topic over time.
There is no cease fire in Ukraine. What makes you think there is? In fact, Putin has shown no signs of compromising or meeting in the middle on a single issue beyond, as Trump so eloquently stated, “not taking the rest of the country”. Neville Chamberlain would blush as such diplomacy.
Interesting that you chose not to address every major economic indicator, which have all changed from positive to negative in the last one hundred days. I guess that’s also a media conspiracy.
I’m in New Orleans for Jazzfest so will likely sign off for the day. Have a good one.
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I agree they all suck in ways. But you sure didn’t say the same crap about the others and even when you did it was not with them vitriol.
I do not care for him as a person. But I truly think we needed someone to cause major change and say things that make people truly think and make a stand on with they think is right.
For so long people agree or at least allow things to transpire without asking is this best or is it right. We the people need to be engaged, involved and hold politicians accountable. I am happy that he says things in a non political way. Our senses have been dulled and just because you are civil and you say things in a respectful and polite way does not make it right.
Enjoy New Orleans. Be safe over there.
No one has ever tried what he is trying now with tariffs in modern history. In mine or your lifetime. So predicting what would happen today based off that has some credibility but by no means is a guarantee. Most of the economic indicators have turned around and if you didn’t think we weren’t at some point heading for a recession after Biden’s nonsensical spending I don’t know what to say.
The main point I was hoping to make is to have you recognize all the stuff he is doing or trying to do. That is what you want from your president. One that works. Not one perpetually on vacation. Not one who avoids questions or puts off what needs to be done now. He did more in 100 days than Biden did in years of his term. Also no mention about the lie he exposed about the border. No need for congress there. The laws were already on the books. Also, he uncovered Biden’s subversion of those Border laws. I can guarantee you joe did this for the wrong reasons.
Go watch Jesse’s interview with the people working within doge. If you really feel like it is a bunch of dishonest people out for themselves will, you need help. I don’t know what Elon’s motives are and neither do you. If you turn out to be right I will give you credit, but acting like you absolutely know he has bad intentions is silly. Only Elon knows that. So far he hasn’t uncovered the amount of waste he thought, but what has been uncovered is bad enough. It would be nice for you to even recognize that.
Until you acknowledge that Dems and independents didn’t give a shit when Obama ignored the constitution when it came to deportation, I don’t want to hear any complaints about Trump. If it was Kamala you would be defending it.
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Thanks for clarifying which specific due process you were referring to, as Garcia has already received due process through his 2019 hearings, which ordered his deportation. The administrative error in deporting to El Salvador him doesn’t entitle him to return. Any further proceedings to reassess his withholding can occur from El Salvador.
That's also assuming that the withholding of removal isn't already void, due to the BIA establishment of MS-13 ties, which clearly disqualifies it. Illegal immigrants are entitled to limited due process in immigration proceedings, requiring only notice and a hearing that Garcia received in 2019. But, I think it's clear at this point that some further due process to formally void that withholding will be inbound, at some point.
But, I wish due process was such a concern when millions were let into the country in the dead of night with zero due process and support by the previous administration, despite
The more information that revealed about him, the worse it gets for those that emphasized the "Maryland Dad" narrative and now choose to make this about due process, seeming to ignore the due process he has already received.
And some the hubris of Nebuchadnezzar...as we're not all blessed with Solomon's wisdom.
The district court ruling disagrees with your interpretation, but I’m uninterested in digging up and beating this dead horse yet again.Thanks for clarifying which specific due process you were referring to, as Garcia has already received due process through his 2019 hearings, which ordered his deportation. The administrative error in deporting to El Salvador him doesn’t entitle him to return. Any further proceedings to reassess his withholding can occur from El Salvador.
That's also assuming that the withholding of removal isn't already void, due to the BIA establishment of MS-13 ties, which clearly disqualifies it. Illegal immigrants are entitled to limited due process in immigration proceedings, requiring only notice and a hearing that Garcia received in 2019. But, I think it's clear at this point that some further due process to formally void that withholding will be inbound, at some point.
But, I wish due process was such a concern when millions were let into the country in the dead of night with zero due process and support by the previous administration, despiteclaimslies to the contrary, which also claimed they couldn't close the border without another bill being passed (subsequent actions have overwhelmingly disproved that). That same administration denied due process of Garcia's clear human trafficking in Tennessee, simply choosing to ignore it.
The more information that revealed about him, the worse it gets for those that emphasized the "Maryland Dad" narrative and now choose to make this about due process, seeming to ignore the due process he has already received.
And some the hubris of Nebuchadnezzar...as we're not all blessed with Solomon's wisdom.
Have a good weekend.
I'm not sure which part you're claiming any district court ruled against. The district court certainly did not outright disagree with the argument that MS-13 ties could void the withholding as it made no attempt to adjudicate any MS-13 ties (even if she questioned the incomplete evidence presented to her). But I'm uninterested in relitigating things we've previously discussed as well.
I believe (this is not a complete list but it is what I will give you on a Saturday night):
-The J-6 committee withheld video footage and destroyed evidence. This is a huge WTF.
-Nancy Pelosi refused Trumps offer for 10,000 National guardsmen on multiple occasions when reports were there was going to be violence.
-There were 26 know agents undercover that did more to instigate that prevent the issues.
-We know they found every Trump supporter anywhere near the capital and prosecuted to the fullest yet never found the bomber.
Most documented maybe but we are only being given what the J-6 committee allowed. The same committee that destroyed evidence. Do you really think after all of what we have seen over the last 8 years that our government is above this? What did Trump have to gain from the violence?
There is more but I would have to go back and look at it again and I am not doing that tonight. Plenty of reason to have doubts though.
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The guy is out of touch with reality and prolific in speaking nonsense. I have literally met schizophrenics that speak the way he does.
Here’s the most detailed recounting of Abrego-Garcia’s background and experience in the court system that I’ve seen. I’m sure you will see it as proving your argument and you won’t be surprised that I will disagree.
Regardless, it’s worth a read.
The Story of the ‘Mistakenly Deported Maryland Man’
Kilmar Abrego Garcia lived a turbulent life in Maryland after fleeing El Salvador as a teenager. Now he’s the face of President Trump’s immigration crackdown.
Some on here want to focus on Garcia. There is no question that he entered the country illegally and that he could be deported. But that avoids the question of due process (see Amendment Five) which the courts have ruled also applies to non-citizens. The government has admitted to an error in his deportation and the Supreme Court ordered the government to facilitate his return. False information has been presented here, but there is no sense in rehashing that to no agreement.Here’s the most detailed recounting of Abrego-Garcia’s background and experience in the court system that I’ve seen. I’m sure you will see it as proving your argument and you won’t be surprised that I will disagree.
Regardless, it’s worth a read.
The Story of the ‘Mistakenly Deported Maryland Man’
Kilmar Abrego Garcia lived a turbulent life in Maryland after fleeing El Salvador as a teenager. Now he’s the face of President Trump’s immigration crackdown.www.nytimes.com
I want to look at what Trump said in his interview this morning. For someone who is always so sure of his facts even when they are obviously wrong, he wasn't able to answer some questions. Oh, he had non-answers for sure, but couldn't defend what he has been doing (ignoring the Constitution).
Kristen Welker asked him "Your Secretary of State (Rubio) says everyone who's here, citizens and non-citizens, deserve due process." " Do you agree, Mr. President?" Trump's response "I don't know". I'm not a lawyer. I don't know."
She said "Well, the Fifth Amendment says as much". Trump's response "I don't know." "It seems - it might say that, but if you're talking about that, then we'd have to have a million or 2 million or 3 millions trials. We have thousands of people that are some murderers and some drug dealers and some of the worst people on Earth. Some of the worst, most dangerous people on Earth. And I was elected to get them the hell out of here and the courts are holding me from doing it."
She said "But even given those numbers that you're talking about, don't you need to uphold the Constitution of the United States as President?" Trump's response "I don't know. I have to respond by saying again, I have brilliant lawyers that work for me and they are going to obviously follow what the Supreme Court said. What you said is not what I heard the Supreme Court said. They have a different interpretation".
I totally agree that there are people who need to be deported. As an aside, I don't think Garcia is close to being one of the worst. But Trump should have known all this before he got elected (I know you can't trust what politicians say). I'm not saying he didn't because he seems to not care about laws and the courts if they get in his way. We don't know how many things will turn out that he is trying to do, but disregarding the Constitution and the courts is not turning out well for our country.
Your staggering display of misguided condescension is exasperating, especially given your persistent refusal to engage with even the most fundamental of legal points...including those that reference SCOTUS opinions and often mirror what is being discussed writ large.
Instead of offering substantive counterarguments, you've opted for brazen conceit, propped up by juvenile dismissal, dodging any reasoned explanation for your disagreement.
Hand-waving away legal opinions signals either a weak position or a profound lack of understanding. Have I been frustrated with this pattern? Absolutely, as I've addressed, before. That frustration may have colored my tone, but it doesn’t excuse your consistent failure to address a single point I’ve raised.
If you choose to sidestep these issues because they exceed your capacity for debate, that’s your prerogative. But don’t pretend your unsupported opinions carry more weight than the discussions here, especially when you refuse to engage with even the simplest argument.
I think you clearly demonstrate all the traits of an arrogant prick that casually dismisses conflicting perspectives to cling to simplistic, preconceived notions. I'd welcome a discussion that challenges that assessment. But, you've offered nothing to counter it.
I’ll wait for your next ad hominem attack, predictably devoid of substance.
Here’s the most detailed recounting of Abrego-Garcia’s background and experience in the court system that I’ve seen. I’m sure you will see it as proving your argument and you won’t be surprised that I will disagree.
Regardless, it’s worth a read.
The Story of the ‘Mistakenly Deported Maryland Man’
Kilmar Abrego Garcia lived a turbulent life in Maryland after fleeing El Salvador as a teenager. Now he’s the face of President Trump’s immigration crackdown.
Reading it, looking for discussion that doesn't regurgitate our previous back & forth. I'll address, if needed. Thanks.
