Trump administration removes photos of Enola Gay aircraft bc of DEI

[Utley1992]

For those that don't know, Enola Gay was the name of the aircraft that dropped a nuke on Japan. The pilot named the aircraft after his mother.

Thank Allah for the Trump administration keeping us safe from scary words.

Photo of Enola Gay aircraft among 26,000 images flagged for removal in Pentagon’s DEI purge

In some cases, photos seemed to be flagged for removal simply because their file included the word ”gay,” including service members with that last name and an image of the B-29 aircraft Enola Gay, which dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, during World War II.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[stray]

For those that don't know, Enola Gay was the name of the aircraft that dropped a nuke on Japan. The pilot named the aircraft after his mother.

Thank Allah for the Trump administration keeping us safe from scary words.

Photo of Enola Gay aircraft among 26,000 images flagged for removal in Pentagon’s DEI purge

In some cases, photos seemed to be flagged for removal simply because their file included the word ”gay,” including service members with that last name and an image of the B-29 aircraft Enola Gay, which dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, during World War II.

www.oregonlive.com

OK, so your assignment is to keep a watch on this for us and if it actually gets removed, get back to us.

Until then...

 

[Utley1992]

OK, so your assignment is to keep a watch on this for us and if it actually gets removed, get back to us.

Until then...

This is important. Can't have words that offend people

 

[JackRussellDawg]

That damn homo plane transgendered us to the Atomic Age!

 

[Utley1992]

That damn homo plane transgendered us to the Atomic Age!

Hence why we need to delete its existence

 

[HarryDawg'95]

The party of Freedom

 

[Eastmandawg]

This is important. Can't have words that offend people

People choose whether they want to be “offended” or not, their choice.

 

[Zonadog]

For those that don't know, Enola Gay was the name of the aircraft that dropped a nuke on Japan. The pilot named the aircraft after his mother.

Thank Allah for the Trump administration keeping us safe from scary words.

Photo of Enola Gay aircraft among 26,000 images flagged for removal in Pentagon’s DEI purge

In some cases, photos seemed to be flagged for removal simply because their file included the word ”gay,” including service members with that last name and an image of the B-29 aircraft Enola Gay, which dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, during World War II.

www.oregonlive.com

Just an FYI for those that didn't bother to read the article. It says that the Trump Administration instructed federal agencies to remove DEI content. It was the Pentagon that flagged pictures and documents to POTENTIALLY be removed. "it’s not clear if the database has been finalized."

In other words, the Defense Department did a broad keyword search to create a list of items to be reviewed for potential removal. AP obtained a copy of the broad search results, not a list of items to be removed.

 

[Moosefish]

For those that don't know, Enola Gay was the name of the aircraft that dropped a nuke on Japan. The pilot named the aircraft after his mother.

Thank Allah for the Trump administration keeping us safe from scary words.

Photo of Enola Gay aircraft among 26,000 images flagged for removal in Pentagon’s DEI purge

In some cases, photos seemed to be flagged for removal simply because their file included the word ”gay,” including service members with that last name and an image of the B-29 aircraft Enola Gay, which dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, during World War II.

www.oregonlive.com

This is an exceptionally stupid example, sir.

It's a clear example of malicious compliance. Let's not pretend that this was the intended effect or that bureaucrats aren't attempting to take advantage and make a "point". Why else is this a story? Who told who?

Come on, man. I'm "in the building". This is not a way to make a point. It's beyond stupid.

 

[Moosefish]

Just an FYI for those that didn't bother to read the article. It says that the Trump Administration instructed federal agencies to remove DEI content. It was the Pentagon that flagged pictures and documents to POTENTIALLY be removed. "it’s not clear if the database has been finalized."

In other words, the Defense Department did a broad keyword search to create a list of items to be reviewed for potential removal. AP obtained a copy of the broad search results, not a list of items to be removed.

You nailed it. This is only a story because someone "inside" decided to share it. As a current DoD employee, it pisses me off beyond my ability to share it here.

There is a clear pattern. The "source" here should be fired...not because of the content, but because it's a clear political effort.

Whomever they are, they're a putz. Do your job or don't. We all serve the administration.

 

[Utley1992]

This is an exceptionally stupid example, sir.

It's a clear example of malicious compliance. Let's not pretend that this was the intended effect or that bureaucrats aren't attempting to take advantage and make a "point". Why else is this a story? Who told who?

Come on, man. I'm "in the building". This is not a way to make a point. It's beyond stupid.

You understand that I do know that this is Musk and his dipshit cronies running a metadata search for certain words and flagging them. And they landed on this bc one of the words that landed on was "gay"? And that I was being facetious bc the average post on this board is just as inflammatory and often as illinformed.


The ultimate criticism is the ongoing censorship from this administration. There's no way gay was the only word they searched. Why are they deleting information on various different categories? More importantly why are you ok with it? When autocrats take power, one of the first things they do is control the flow of information and what's acceptable topics. DEI is just a scare word to they are using to take away minority rights. This was just an example of them missing on their goal. If you don't think the anti DEI measures are just racist dog whistles than I don't think we can agree on reality. Just listen to Steven Bannon FFS. That guy has been an open white nationalist since he before he started advising Trump.

 

[Utley1992]

You nailed it. This is only a story because someone "inside" decided to share it. As a current DoD employee, it pisses me off beyond my ability to share it here.

There is a clear pattern. The "source" here should be fired...not because of the content, but because it's a clear political effort.

Whomever they are, they're a putz. Do your job or don't. We all serve the administration.

So when you say do your job or don't, what extent would you take it to? Trump had asked in his first term about using the US military shooting protesters in 2020. Is that something that you think should be followed as members serving the commander in chief?

Esper: Trump asked about shooting protesters



What about committing war crimes in Canada? I'm of the opinion that talking about annexing a neighboring country is an act of war in of itself, so it's not out of the picture that at some point he would want to invade Canada. And Trump has repeatedly stated that he is not joking and he is very serious about making Canada a state. Like, i get the military structure of blind obedience, but at what point is being a whistle blower more in line with upholding the and defending the constitution than following the orders of a president who is violating it?

 

[Moosefish]

You understand that I do know that this is Musk and his dipshit cronies running a metadata search for certain words and flagging them. And they landed on this bc one of the words that landed on was "gay"? And that I was being facetious bc the average post on this board is just as inflammatory and often as illinformed.


The ultimate criticism is the ongoing censorship from this administration. There's no way gay was the only word they searched. Why are they deleting information on various different categories? More importantly why are you ok with it? When autocrats take power, one of the first things they do is control the flow of information and what's acceptable topics. DEI is just a scare word to they are using to take away minority rights. This was just an example of them missing on their goal. If you don't think the anti DEI measures are just racist dog whistles than I don't think we can agree on reality. Just listen to Steven Bannon FFS. That guy has been an open white nationalist since he before he started advising Trump.

You're incorrect. DOGE has nothing to do with removing photos.

 

[Moosefish]

So when you say do your job or don't, what extent would you take it to? Trump had asked in his first term about using the US military shooting protesters in 2020. Is that something that you think should be followed as members serving the commander in chief?

Esper: Trump asked about shooting protesters

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What about committing war crimes in Canada? I'm of the opinion that talking about annexing a neighboring country is an act of war in of itself, so it's not out of the picture that at some point he would want to invade Canada. And Trump has repeatedly stated that he is not joking and he is very serious about making Canada a state. Like, i get the military structure of blind obedience, but at what point is being a whistle blower more in line with upholding the and defending the constitution than following the orders of a president who is violating it?

What is and is not an illegal order is well-defined. We are as obligated to follow the legal ones as we are to not follow illegal ones.

 

[Utley1992]

You're incorrect. DOGE has nothing to do with removing photos.

If it wasn't DOGE, it was still the most likely the same process. So my point still stands.

 

[Utley1992]

What is and is not an illegal order is well-defined. We are as obligated to follow the legal ones as we are to not follow illegal ones.

Do you at least acknowledge that Trump has mentioned shooting protesters? And that Trump is openly talking about committing war crimes against Canada? This thread was mostly a joke, bc I know it was the word gay that triggered the flag for Enola Gay, but the underlining point is the seizure of power that is taking place. Hegseth has already admitted to firing people bc they don't want anyone in the way of disobeying orders. I can find the exact link, but the dots are all connecting. You know way more about the hierarchy of the military than I do, but it's pretty clear that the Trump administration is trying to disrupt that so they don't go against his orders like last time. The Enola Gay thing is silly, but it's definitely representative of the larger power struggle taking place.

 

[Moosefish]

If it wasn't DOGE, it was still the most likely the same process. So my point still stands.

Just like everyone else in the DoD, I've read the emails from SecDef on this subject. There was no order to remove photos via keyword search.

 

[Moosefish]

Do you at least acknowledge that Trump has mentioned shooting protesters? And that Trump is openly talking about committing war crimes against Canada? This thread was mostly a joke, bc I know it was the word gay that triggered the flag for Enola Gay, but the underlining point is the seizure of power that is taking place. Hegseth has already admitted to firing people bc they don't want anyone in the way of disobeying orders. I can find the exact link, but the dots are all connecting. You know way more about the hierarchy of the military than I do, but it's pretty clear that the Trump administration is trying to disrupt that so they don't go against his orders like last time. The Enola Gay thing is silly, but it's definitely representative of the larger power struggle taking place.

Disregarding that there is contention that the quote ever even happened, the context of it reads more like a frustrated heat-of-the-moment outburst born of frustration. Reckless? Yes. Actually serious order given? No.

 

[Utley1992]

Just like everyone else in the DoD, I've read the emails from SecDef on this subject. There was no order to remove photos via keyword search.

Then what was it? Why are they deleting anything?

 

[Utley1992]

Disregarding that there is contention that the quote ever even happened, the context of it reads more like a frustrated heat-of-the-moment outburst born of frustration. Reckless? Yes. Actually serious order given? No.

I'm sorry, but that's kind of been the justification for Trump this entire time. I would honestly expect an order to fire on protesters to be an emotional outburst. But that's still a disqualifier. If I threaten to murder my boss out of frustration, and not in a serious way, I still threatened to murder someone. Heat of the moment or not, it is something he said

 

[Moosefish]

Then what was it? Why are they deleting anything?

That's been covered more than once above. Either malicious compliance or simple stupidity. It's certainly not the actual intent behind the direction handed down from POTUS and SecDef.

 

[55dawg]

For those that don't know, Enola Gay was the name of the aircraft that dropped a nuke on Japan. The pilot named the aircraft after his mother.

Thank Allah for the Trump administration keeping us safe from scary words.

Photo of Enola Gay aircraft among 26,000 images flagged for removal in Pentagon’s DEI purge

In some cases, photos seemed to be flagged for removal simply because their file included the word ”gay,” including service members with that last name and an image of the B-29 aircraft Enola Gay, which dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, during World War II.

www.oregonlive.com

Hear about the 1,000 white dudes they wouldn’t hire as air traffic controllers ?

 

[Moosefish]

I'm sorry, but that's kind of been the justification for Trump this entire time. I would honestly expect an order to fire on protesters to be an emotional outburst. But that's still a disqualifier. If I threaten to murder my boss out of frustration, and not in a serious way, I still threatened to murder someone. Heat of the moment or not, it is something he said

So, being frustrated at something and not actually acting on that frustration is disqualifying? You getting frustrated at your boss, but not actually murdering him is both common and the moral and correct decision.

Even Trump's phrasing “or something” clearly lacks specificity and further indicates that he was venting and/or looking for solutions and it certainly wasn't a command to actually shoot anybody. Esper noted in his book that it wasn't a “difficult decision” to reject and that neither he nor those present treated it as a formal order.

I'm not sure how any of this proves anything about anybody.

 

[Utley1992]

It's certainly not the actual intent behind the direction handed down from POTUS and SecDef.

I know that and have stated it. My point of the post was making fun of it. It's still 100% reflective of the current administration and their stance of freedom. DEI is the new buzzword that the right has jumped onto to scare dumb people. Whether it's woke, DEI, SJW or whatever. I will stand on that this, and the other things that I have mentioned are ways to curtail the military structure to be completely in line with Trump. That has been his goal in every department he has touched since reelection. The military his first term wouldn't have invaded Canada, he's trying to shape the military to where the people in charge will follow the orders he gives. It's why they're destroying the administrative state. A lot of people within various different governt agencies don't actually work for, or answer to the president. Get rid of that, you gain more power to the executive. That's the goal. They have been openly talking about it. They even published a 900 page document expressing the process of how to give total power to the executive.



Again, I know the Enola Gay thing was just the word gay. I'm making fun of that, but on a more serious level, this is what it's representative of.

 

[Utley1992]

Hear about the 1,000 white dudes they wouldn’t hire as air traffic controllers ?

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Utley1992]

So, being frustrated at something and not actually acting on that frustration is disqualifying? You getting frustrated at your boss, but not actually murdering him is both common and the moral and correct decision.

Even Trump's phrasing “or something” clearly lacks specificity and further indicates that he was venting and/or looking for solutions and it certainly wasn't a command to actually shoot anybody. Esper noted in his book that it wasn't a “difficult decision” to reject and that neither he nor those present treated it as a formal order.

I'm not sure how any of this proves anything about anybody.

I disagree to the implications of Trumps actions. Even n still, yes, something like that is 100% disqualifying. A certain level of composure is required to lead, and wanting to murder people demonstrating their first amendment right is one of them

 

[Moosefish]

I know that and have stated it. My point of the post was making fun of it. It's still 100% reflective of the current administration and their stance of freedom. DEI is the new buzzword that the right has jumped onto to scare dumb people. Whether it's woke, DEI, SJW or whatever. I will stand on that this, and the other things that I have mentioned are ways to curtail the military structure to be completely in line with Trump. That has been his goal in every department he has touched since reelection. The military his first term wouldn't have invaded Canada, he's trying to shape the military to where the people in charge will follow the orders he gives. It's why they're destroying the administrative state. A lot of people within various different governt agencies don't actually work for, or answer to the president. Get rid of that, you gain more power to the executive. That's the goal. They have been openly talking about it. They even published a 900 page document expressing the process of how to give total power to the executive.



Again, I know the Enola Gay thing was just the word gay. I'm making fun of that, but on a more serious level, this is what it's representative of.

What agency other than the CPB (which is a different discussion) affected by any of the decisions in the past 50 days doesn't fall under the Executive Branch? POTUS, as head of the Executive Branch, already has total power. So, I'm not really following any of what you're saying here.

 

[Moosefish]

I disagree to the implications of Trumps actions. Even n still, yes, something like that is 100% disqualifying. A certain level of composure is required to lead, and wanting to murder people demonstrating their first amendment right is one of them

What implications? No actions took place, nobody was shot. Composure doesn't mean never getting frustrated or making an off-the-cuff remark....and technically 'shooting in the leg' is not a desire to murder anybody.

 

[The Original SLC Dawg]

I think Gay was the last name of the pilot who was shot down at Midway, and watched the battle from a raft or floating debris. He saw us sink two Japanese carriers. I want to say he was from Marietta. Don’t get your panties in a wad over some pictures.

 

[Utley1992]

What implications? No actions took place, nobody was shot. Composure doesn't mean never getting frustrated or making an off-the-cuff remark....and technically 'shooting in the leg' is not a desire to murder anybody.

THE IMPLICATIONS OF WANTING TO KILL CITIZENS. If you had a babysitter threaten to shoot one of your kids, but ultimately didn't, would you hire them again?

 

[Utley1992]

I think Gay was the last name of the pilot who was shot down at Midway, and watched the battle from a raft or floating debris. He saw us sink two Japanese carriers. I want to say he was from Marietta. Don’t get your panties in a wad over some pictures.

It was the name of the mother of the pilot.

 

[ClydeDawg]

For those that don't know, Enola Gay was the name of the aircraft that dropped a nuke on Japan. The pilot named the aircraft after his mother.

Thank Allah for the Trump administration keeping us safe from scary words.

Photo of Enola Gay aircraft among 26,000 images flagged for removal in Pentagon’s DEI purge

In some cases, photos seemed to be flagged for removal simply because their file included the word ”gay,” including service members with that last name and an image of the B-29 aircraft Enola Gay, which dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, during World War II.

www.oregonlive.com

You aren't this stupid. Do better.

 

[The Original SLC Dawg]

It was the name of the mother of the pilot.

If they were searching for the word “gay”, they would find Gearge Gay the sole survivor of his squadron, who watched the battle of midway from under his seat cushion to avoid enemy strafing, and the from a raft when the Japanese became preoccupied.

I know all about the enola gay and the Little Boy bomb.

 

[Moosefish]

THE IMPLICATIONS OF WANTING TO KILL CITIZENS. If you had a babysitter threaten to shoot one of your kids, but ultimately didn't, would you hire them again?

Not even Esper said he thought Trump wanted to kill anybody. This was an off-the-cuff, moment of frustration, in the course of wanting to quell the violent and destructive riots happening across the country. Were they all violent/destructive? Of course not. But, they needed to stop and there was little success in doing so, for many reasons.

Just the insured damage alone that summer approached $2 billion. It was the costliest civil disorder event in U.S. history, which previously was the 1992 Los Angeles riots. Trump was looking for a way to stop and/or deter them from continuing.

I simply don't accept that his remark demonstrates a real desire to "kill" anybody both for the reasoning I've already given but especially because the question itself demonstrates an inherently non-lethal desire. "In the legs" clearly eliminates any reasonable argument that he wanted to "kill" anybody, even if it was theoretically a serious order that was given (nobody is claiming it was) and subsequently not followed.

Were you just as concerned when Joe Biden told donor just days before an assassination attempt "It’s time to put Trump in a bullseye"?

What about Dan Goldman in an interview saying that Trump "has to be eliminated"?

Or when Maxine Waters encouraged people to "get more confrontational" with Trump administration officials and said "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them." or "I just don’t even know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country, and maybe there will be."

How about Chuck Schumer saying about two Justices, "You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions." A guy travelled across the country to try and assassinate Kavanaugh right after those remarks.

These are all public statements. Are they disqualifying? I'm not advocating that the "shoot them in the legs" question was appropriate, even if I assume it wasn't borne of frustration over the course of a much longer cabinet meeting where Trump is trying to figure out how to stop what was happening. But, I'm also not going to accept that it demonstrates a real, legitimate desire to kill anybody.

Lord help us if every statement we've ever made in our lives was recorded for posterity and the worst of them published with or without full context for all the world to judge.

 

[WGrovedawg]

I disagree to the implications of Trumps actions. Even n still, yes, something like that is 100% disqualifying. A certain level of composure is required to lead, and wanting to murder people demonstrating their first amendment right is one of them

Looting and burning down buildings isn't a first amendment right, protesters has become a word used way to loosely by the left

 

[55dawg]

What does that have to do with anything?

Kinda like a pendulum. You know. For every action there tends to be an equal and opposite reaction. Yeah if the plane thing is real, pretty stupid. But refusing to hire qualified people due to race/gender because you’re working on quotas, is equally outrageous and actually harmful.

 

[Moosefish]

What does that have to do with anything?

The FAA has been accused of excluding highly qualified candidates (specifically white males) in an attempt to meet quotas. Historically, they were hired completely on merit, specifically test scores on the Air Traffic Selection and Training exam. The process was race/sex/whatever blind. In 2014 the FAA introduced a "Biographical Questionnaire" as a screening tool, trying to diversify who was hired.

There is a current class-action lawsuit which says this questionnaire favored personal background over technical qualifications because the FAA tried to change demographics of ATC, leaving qualified personnel unhired as over 1000 qualified candidates were excluded after "failing" the BQ. There is strong evidence that this directly led to the current manning shortages (and thus, making the skies less safe)

 

[PotimusWillie]

For those that don't know, Enola Gay was the name of the aircraft that dropped a nuke on Japan. The pilot named the aircraft after his mother.

Thank Allah for the Trump administration keeping us safe from scary words.

Photo of Enola Gay aircraft among 26,000 images flagged for removal in Pentagon’s DEI purge

In some cases, photos seemed to be flagged for removal simply because their file included the word ”gay,” including service members with that last name and an image of the B-29 aircraft Enola Gay, which dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, during World War II.

www.oregonlive.com

Reading comprehension could be your friend.

Karen responses to news articles show how incredibly shallow people are when politics become their God.

The point of the purge is to remove information that is artificial and contrived to the historical fact of the point that was placed solely to apprease a movement.

Enola Gay will not be removed and Tusskeegee airmen will not be removed.

Common sense and politics. Thank you Karen. You got your Trump jab in. Feel better?

 

[Utley1992]

Karen responses to news articles show how incredibly shallow people are when politics become their God.

This is a really stupid comment. I have nothing else to say.

 

[Utley1992]

The FAA has been accused of excluding highly qualified candidates (specifically white males) in an attempt to meet quotas. Historically, they were hired completely on merit, specifically test scores on the Air Traffic Selection and Training exam. The process was race/sex/whatever blind. In 2014 the FAA introduced a "Biographical Questionnaire" as a screening tool, trying to diversify who was hired.

There is a current class-action lawsuit which says this questionnaire favored personal background over technical qualifications because he FAA tried to change demographics of ATC, leaving qualified personnel unhired as over 1000 qualified candidates were excluded after "failing" the BQ. There is strong evidence that this directly led to the current manning shortages (and thus, making the skies less safe)

I don't know the specifics here, but let them take it to court. I have no means of giving an informed opinion on it. Do you think that Musk cutting even more jobs is the solution? Especially when the person involved in the the lay offs has private sector interests in a less regulated FAA?