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I will respectfully disagree with you on the nothing issue comment.
Murder is a state crime, not a federal crime.
Trying to drag it into the national discussion only hurts the chances of beating the democrats. Its what they want you to do. It's a loser on the national scene. It is a local issue.
 
Murder is a state crime, not a federal crime.

That's not always true, fwiw:

The Federal Crime of Murder​

According to 18 U.S.C. §1111, “murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought.” An individual may be charged with murder if the alleged killing violated federal law.

Some alleged murders are tried as federal crimes because of the victim’s identity. These crimes include the murder of a(n):

  • Elected or appointed federal government official. These officials include members of the executive branch of government, such as the President, Vice-President, and cabinet members, members of the legislative branch, including United States representatives and senators, and members of the judicial branch, including Supreme Court justices.
  • Federal judge or law enforcement officer. It is also a federal crime to murder a federal U.S. appeals court judge, district court judge, or law enforcement officer such as an F.B.I. officer, United States marshal, or D.E.A. agent.
  • Immediate family member of a federal law enforcement officer. The murder of a close relative of a federal law enforcement officer is also a federal crime.
Other alleged murders are tried as federal crimes because of the circumstances in which they happened, such as:

  • A murder committed to try to influence the outcome of a federal court case. This crime includes killing court officers and jurors. It also includes killing police informants and witnesses to prevent testimony or in retaliation for providing testimony.
  • A murder committed during a bank robbery. Bank robberies are federal crimes. The United States government may pursue federal murder charges if someone such as a bank employee or customer is killed during a bank robbery.
  • A murder related to rape, child molestation, or the sexual exploitation of children. Rape, sexual abuse, and sexual exploitation of minor children are federal crimes. Therefore, any murder committed during the occurrence of these crimes is a federal crime.
  • Drug-related murders. Drug violence may be a federal crime and any murder that occurs may be tried as a federal murder.
Finally, some alleged murders are tried as federal crimes because of where they occurred. These crimes include:

  • Murders on ships. United States maritime law makes it a federal crime to commit a murder on a ship or to commit a crime which results in someone’s death if that crime threatened the safe travel of the vessel within U.S. waters.
  • Murders for hire. Interstate commerce is a federal issue. If the murder occurred by crossing state lines or using communication methods, including telephones, mail, or internet, then a murder for hire could be a federal murder crime.
  • Murders by mail. Federal law prohibits using the postal service to send deadly agents, such as poisons or explosives.
 
That's not always true, fwiw:

The Federal Crime of Murder​

According to 18 U.S.C. §1111, “murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought.” An individual may be charged with murder if the alleged killing violated federal law.

Some alleged murders are tried as federal crimes because of the victim’s identity. These crimes include the murder of a(n):

  • Elected or appointed federal government official. These officials include members of the executive branch of government, such as the President, Vice-President, and cabinet members, members of the legislative branch, including United States representatives and senators, and members of the judicial branch, including Supreme Court justices.
  • Federal judge or law enforcement officer. It is also a federal crime to murder a federal U.S. appeals court judge, district court judge, or law enforcement officer such as an F.B.I. officer, United States marshal, or D.E.A. agent.
  • Immediate family member of a federal law enforcement officer. The murder of a close relative of a federal law enforcement officer is also a federal crime.
Other alleged murders are tried as federal crimes because of the circumstances in which they happened, such as:

  • A murder committed to try to influence the outcome of a federal court case. This crime includes killing court officers and jurors. It also includes killing police informants and witnesses to prevent testimony or in retaliation for providing testimony.
  • A murder committed during a bank robbery. Bank robberies are federal crimes. The United States government may pursue federal murder charges if someone such as a bank employee or customer is killed during a bank robbery.
  • A murder related to rape, child molestation, or the sexual exploitation of children. Rape, sexual abuse, and sexual exploitation of minor children are federal crimes. Therefore, any murder committed during the occurrence of these crimes is a federal crime.
  • Drug-related murders. Drug violence may be a federal crime and any murder that occurs may be tried as a federal murder.
Finally, some alleged murders are tried as federal crimes because of where they occurred. These crimes include:

  • Murders on ships. United States maritime law makes it a federal crime to commit a murder on a ship or to commit a crime which results in someone’s death if that crime threatened the safe travel of the vessel within U.S. waters.
  • Murders for hire. Interstate commerce is a federal issue. If the murder occurred by crossing state lines or using communication methods, including telephones, mail, or internet, then a murder for hire could be a federal murder crime.
  • Murders by mail. Federal law prohibits using the postal service to send deadly agents, such as poisons or explosives.
I apologize for generalizing. I assume you think I'm ignorant of the fact that some murders are covered by federal statute. Pulleeeeze.
Get back to me when one of those murders you listed is committed by abortion. The chances are pretty slim ... don'tyathink?
 
I apologize for generalizing. I assume you think I'm ignorant of the fact that some murders are covered by federal statute. Pulleeeeze.
Get back to me when one of those murders you listed is committed by abortion. The chances are pretty slim ... don'tyathink?

Well man, I was just clarifying since you said (with no caveats) "Murder is a state crime, not a federal crime." The point being, the federal government can add to "the list", as they see fit. I'm not arguing either way, but making statements that are easily shown to be incorrect doesn't help your argument.
 
Well man, I was just clarifying since you said (with no caveats) "Murder is a state crime, not a federal crime." The point being, the federal government can add to "the list", as they see fit. I'm not arguing either way, but making statements that are easily shown to be incorrect doesn't help your argument.
You knew what I meant from the getgo. As I said, those fed murders don't include abortion.
You nitpicked and you know it.
This is you picking anything at all to let me know you're watching because you know I might misbehave.
Or, it's Sunday morning and ain't much else going on.
I am enjoying some excellent, strong Columbian Supremo. Howbout you?
 
You knew what I meant from the getgo.
I didn't, which is why I posted what I did. I thought you were making an argument based on a misunderstanding. I was just clarifying for you.

As I said, those fed murders don't include abortion.
You nitpicked and you know it.

Ok. I wasn't making a pro-abortion argument, at all. You literally said 'Murder is a state crime, not a federal crime.' How is that nitpicking? If you had thrown a word like "usually" in it, I wouldn't have blinked twice. My intent was to be helpful. As I said above, making statements that are easily shown to be incorrect doesn't help your argument.

This is you picking anything at all to let me know you're watching because you know I might misbehave.

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Or, it's Sunday morning and ain't much else going on.
I am enjoying some excellent, strong Columbian Supremo. Howbout you?

Just finished making breakfast for my wife. Enjoy your coffee.
 
Murder is a state crime, not a federal crime.
Trying to drag it into the national discussion only hurts the chances of beating the democrats. It’s what they want you to do. It's a loser on the national scene. It is a local issue.
OK

Why do you assume I was concerned about the legal definition of abortion?
 
I didn't, which is why I posted what I did. I thought you were making an argument based on a misunderstanding. I was just clarifying for you.



Ok. I wasn't making a pro-abortion argument, at all. You literally said 'Murder is a state crime, not a federal crime.' How is that nitpicking? If you had thrown a word like "usually" in it, I wouldn't have blinked twice. My intent was to be helpful. As I said above, making statements that are easily shown to be incorrect doesn't help your argument.



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Just finished making breakfast for my wife. Enjoy your coffee.
... and you'd pass a polygraph, right?
 
I didn't, which is why I posted what I did. I thought you were making an argument based on a misunderstanding. I was just clarifying for you.



Ok. I wasn't making a pro-abortion argument, at all. You literally said 'Murder is a state crime, not a federal crime.' How is that nitpicking? If you had thrown a word like "usually" in it, I wouldn't have blinked twice. My intent was to be helpful. As I said above, making statements that are easily shown to be incorrect doesn't help your argument.



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Just finished making breakfast for my wife. Enjoy your coffee.
Same here, let her sleep until 10:00….hash browns, cheese eggs, link sausage, honey butter croissant rolls, watermelon and cantaloupe.

Dang, just remembered….forgot the grits.

In a food coma now.
 
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Same here, let her sleep until 10:00….hash browns, cheese eggs, link sausage, honey butter croissant rolls, watermelon and cantaloupe.

Dang, just remembered….forgot the grits.

In a food coma now.
Hash browns, fried eggs, thick bacon, & toast. My oldest made waffles. Everyone is full & happy.
 
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I meant no disrespect. Clear this up for me please.
Do you consider abortion a national issue?
I consider it a human moral issue, but in regards to our country and its laws, it’s a state issue. State sovereignty is a foundational truth in the founding of our country.

Human beings killing conceived life is just beyond human behavior.
 
I consider it a human moral issue, but in regards to our country and its laws, it’s a state issue. State sovereignty is a foundational truth in the founding of our country.

Human beings killing conceived life is just beyond human behavior.
I consider it immoral. But the fact is, the majority favors it in some form. Whatever the various states decide is the end of the story. We can keep talking about it but talk won't raise a dead horse. It will only make us appear to flail against reality like some democrat defending transgender manure. In time, the majority will speak on that issue also.
I'm not comparing the two issues. I'm just saying that politically, they are both losers.
 
I consider it immoral. But the fact is, the majority favors it in some form. Whatever the various states decide is the end of the story. We can keep talking about it but talk won't raise a dead horse. It will only make us appear to flail against reality like some democrat defending transgender manure. In time, the majority will speak on that issue also.
I'm not comparing the two issues. I'm just saying that politically, they are both losers.
The Republican position is to allow states to determine their abortion laws as with most governmental issues.

The Democrat position is centralized government control of all laws, circumventing state sovereignty.

When you hand the keys to the Fed, you have complete control of the citizen and the citizen loses representation.

Socialism, communism, and dictatorships all demand and prosper under central government control.
 
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