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You keep getting mixed up on who the term" snowflakes " apply to . It has been applied to libs for years , when they were looking for their " safe place " . Come on man !
I am WELL aware of that sir, but I ask you, who are the ones on here that is CONSTANTLY bitching day in and day out about our great country?
I can answer for you......you and 3 or 4 other constant bitchers on here.
So again, who is the snowflake? Sounds to me like yall need your "safe space" from the big bad boogie man Biden.
You can disagree, but you know I am right about the all day, every day bitching.
If it's that bad, let delta be your friend.
 
I am WELL aware of that sir, but I ask you, who are the ones on here that is CONSTANTLY bitching day in and day out about our great country?
I can answer for you......you and 3 or 4 other constant bitchers on here.
So again, who is the snowflake? Sounds to me like yall need your "safe space" from the big bad boogie man Biden.
You can disagree, but you know I am right about the all day, every day bitching.
If it's that bad, let delta be your friend.

This board is for folks to discuss different views on a lot of subjects and that is usually what happens on most days . As for " bitching " , as you call it , there is an awful lot to be concerned about since " ya man " Biden has been in the White House . I know you have said several times people don't need to complain on this board , well , if it bothers you , find something else to do ... Dawgvent is interesting . As for Delta being my friend , folks need to stay and speak out against the socialist agenda Joe /Odumba are pushing !
 
This board is for folks to discuss different views on a lot of subjects and that is usually what happens on most days . As for " bitching " , as you call it , there is an awful lot to be concerned about since " ya man " Biden has been in the White House . I know you have said several times people don't need to complain on this board , well , if it bothers you , find something else to do ... Dawgvent is interesting . As for Delta being my friend , folks need to stay and speak out against the socialist agenda Joe /Odumba are pushing !
I rest my case!
 
You know what else doesn’t work…the vaccine
Disagree.

Vaccine seems to clearly work to stop hospitalizations and deaths at least at this time. The data is pretty convincing IMO

Where the vaccine does not show proof of working is in stopping transmission IMO. And it is not just the Delta variant.

But that can become irrelevant if we will stop counting cases and just focus on individual health outcomes.

Cases are not important if the hospitalization and death burden is low.
 
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Disagree.

Vaccine seems to clearly work to stop hospitalizations and deaths at least at this time. The data is pretty convincing IMO

Where the vaccine does not show proof of working is in stopping transmission IMO. And it is not just the Delta variant.

But that can become irrelevant if we will stop counting cases and just focus on individual health outcomes.

Cases are not important if the hospitalization and death burden is low.

People are dying at roughly the same rate whether they’re vaccinated or not. Taking the right vitamins and ivermectin as a prophylactic will do way more to protect you than the jab. If you’re high risk that’s what you should be doing.
 
People are dying at roughly the same rate whether they’re vaccinated or not. Taking the right vitamins and ivermectin as a prophylactic will do way more to protect you than the jab. If you’re high risk that’s what you should be doing.
UK shows something very different from that IMO
 
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Look at this link. Toggle back and forth between cases and deaths. Then compare the winter peak in the UK (cases and deaths) to the summer peak (after folks got vaccinated).

The basic fact of the almost zero increase in deaths during this summer surge is very, very apparent when you look at it. Anything else is just statistical window dressing IMO.


I understand there is a claim out there that vaccines are either ineffective in general or beginning to lose their effectiveness (Berenson has been hammering that). I think there may be some credibility to the "starting to lose effectiveness" argument (even Fauci has apparently admitted that) but the idea that vaccines had nothing to do with the UK having a big spike in cases but almost no spike in deaths just doesn't stand up to basic analysis IMO.

Check this tweet storm brother. I think this guy offers strong and well-defended points. He basically says what I think, which is there are plenty of things to rightly criticize around the vaccination effort but when I simply look at the data I cannot find a basis for criticizing the effectiveness of the vaccines *for what they were tested to do* - which of course was prevent deaths.

Buried down in his tweet storm is this quote on which he and I agree: "Meanwhile, and I say this as someone who VEHEMENTLY opposes vaccine mandates and remains skeptical of the long-term Covid vaccine efficacy and side effects still to be learned, I also don't think you make the claim vaccines didn't help in the UK/Israel or aren't helping us now."

 
Look at this link. Toggle back and forth between cases and deaths. Then compare the winter peak in the UK (cases and deaths) to the summer peak (after folks got vaccinated).

The basic fact of the almost zero increase in deaths during this summer surge is very, very apparent when you look at it. Anything else is just statistical window dressing IMO.


I understand there is a claim out there that vaccines are either ineffective in general or beginning to lose their effectiveness (Berenson has been hammering that). I think there may be some credibility to the "starting to lose effectiveness" argument (even Fauci has apparently admitted that) but the idea that vaccines had nothing to do with the UK having a big spike in cases but almost no spike in deaths just doesn't stand up to basic analysis IMO.

Check this tweet storm brother. I think this guy offers strong and well-defended points. He basically says what I think, which is there are plenty of things to rightly criticize around the vaccination effort but when I simply look at the data I cannot find a basis for criticizing the effectiveness of the vaccines *for what they were tested to do* - which of course was prevent deaths.

Buried down in his tweet storm is this quote on which he and I agree: "Meanwhile, and I say this as someone who VEHEMENTLY opposes vaccine mandates and remains skeptical of the long-term Covid vaccine efficacy and side effects still to be learned, I also don't think you make the claim vaccines didn't help in the UK/Israel or aren't helping us now."


I appreciate you fighting the good fight and wanting to be as informed as you can be. You’re leaving out one very important variable though and that’s how deaths are categorized. They stopped labeling every death as a COVID death. My wife does medical coding and it wasn’t until this spring that she coded a death with COVID where COVID wasnt the cause of death. Heart attack= COVID terminal cancer= covid Etc…. If you had any COVID symptoms (which is basically everyone in a hospital) is was coded as a COVID death.

What I’d like to see is total deaths by age groups for the last 10 years in any given country. That will tell you everything you need to know. Also the only number we need to be tracking is occupancy and icu capacity levels at our local hospitals. Isn’t that what started this whole thing?
 
Tired of you , no, just pointing out how hypocritical it is... you post and complain and then are critical of other posters that complain about a subject that you don't agree with .
Can't argue with you there.
Just trying to spread a little love in this place 😁
 
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