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Welp. This was bound to happen but the Dept of Education

Fair enough, thanks. Something happened in Texas that I thought was interesting. The school board voted to implement a curriculum that includes Bible verses for language arts age k-4 in public schools I believe. It’s not mandatory but the schools that use it get extra money, I think that’s the general gist. When I found out I felt like that would open the door for law suits on religious freedom/discrimination grounds. Was I off in that reaction or what do you think the response would be to that?
Top of my head that seems like it will get challenged and the school board will lose.
 
I basically had a hotline to Pat Robertson's attorney for every time a Principal took away a bible or made someone take off a Jesus/cross shirt.
So I’m assuming it’s similar logic right? Like they can’t take away bibles but they also can’t make children in public school read the Bible either? Am I on the right track here?
 
So I’m assuming it’s similar logic right? Like they can’t take away bibles but they also can’t make children in public school read the Bible either? Am I on the right track here?
Correct. Public schools can teach religious history, philosophy, etc. What they can't do is encourage one religion over another, nor allow the practice of religion in the public schools. Certainly can't "make" any student read the Bible (or Quoran, etc.).
 
Correct. Public schools can teach religious history, philosophy, etc. What they can't do is encourage one religion over another, nor allow the practice of religion in the public schools. Certainly can't "make" any student read the Bible (or Quoran, etc.).
That’s what I thought. Thanks again for humoring me
 
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I've never said there wouldn't be lawsuits over Title IX. I still believe that common sense will prevail. You can't take 98% of the revenue generated by men's football and require that it be given 50% to women whose sports lose money. This is far different from ensuring that (1) women have equal opportunity and that (2) the scholarship counts are the same.

Women's sports have never been treated fully equally with men's sports, and it isn't required by Title IX.

This is one of many memos, regulations, and orders being made in the last hours of the current administration. It's non-binding. The department that issued the memo likely won't even exist in a year.
You missed the point, again. I believe we can acknowledge our football program is well funded and lacks for nothing. Nor do any of our women’s programs, minor sports programs, i.e. , tennis, golf, swimming, track.

Title IX does require men’s and women’s sports be treated equally. Equally can defined in various ways. It doesn’t mean women must receive the same “money” as men. It does mean physical facilities, coach compensation, equipment, transportation, be on an equal or similar basis. Are you familiar with the complaint and lawsuit by Suzanne and Andy against the AA alleging discrimination in pay? Or the Fed audit of the Ath Dept back in Damon’s first year? They actually counted basketballs, socks, softballs, bats, baseballs, uniforms.

I agree, the next Adm is likely to rollback some of the recent targets, changes, expansions.
 
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What a world we live in. The existence of government agency whose mission is to ensure proper and equitable education of our youth, is considered a bad thing. SMH. Do there need to be some reforms, sure. All government agencies and departments should continually be looked at and changed, if needed, do better serve the public. Let's not get carried away with our actions or our rhetoric.
“Equitable” education? 😳
 
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The assistantships and fellowships in science, engineering, and math are largely grant funded. The grants are secured from outside entities by faculty members. The students working on these grants (via assistantships/fellowships) are temporary (length of the grant) University employees.

An overwhelming majority of the graduate positions are purely merit (academic performance, research interests, and prior experience) based with no regard for gender. It is true that women have started to overrepresented in some of these fields, but that is simply due to more women choosing these degrees (and attending college in general), not a sex based/biased selection process.

I'm a big supporter of Title IX. It has provided a lot of educational opportunities to women via sports that otherwise wouldn't have been there. That in my opinion is a great thing. All that being said, revenue from NIL (compensation for the university generating revenue through tv and other marketing avenues) should be split in an equitable manner based on the amount of revenue generation of each sport.

This is what happens when the government gets involved. And I can’t understand why so many want that.
The government and lawyers want some of that money the universities are making.
 
The government and lawyers want some of that money the universities are making.
You realize that if the Feds wanted money from the Universities, they would simply just give less to the Universities. Also, you realize that all reputable universities are non-profit, so they are not making money. In fact, all state universities are heavily subsidized by their respective state legislatures.
 
“Equitable” education? 😳
And.... It is shocking for someone to think that there should be some core curricula, learning standards, and student welfare that are common to all students?
 
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You realize that if the Feds wanted money from the Universities, they would simply just give less to the Universities. Also, you realize that all reputable universities are non-profit, so they are not making money. In fact, all state universities are heavily subsidized by their respective state legislatures.
I am talking about the AA and the TV money football brings in.
 
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1. Not binding
2. Last day act of the current admin - fact, not politics
3. Already political backlash



 
What a world we live in. The existence of government agency whose mission is to ensure proper and equitable education of our youth, is considered a bad thing. SMH. Do there need to be some reforms, sure. All government agencies and departments should continually be looked at and changed, if needed, do better serve the public. Let's not get carried away with our actions or our rhetoric.
You really dont believe that do you? Not really, right? Reforms? No. Blow it the F Up. Remake it if you like, but tear it down. It is a terrible thing that has been distorted and bent and is a non-functioning entity.
 
And.... It is shocking for someone to think that there should be some core curricula, learning standards, and student welfare that are common to all students?
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Sadly it’s gone much further than that. If the DOE was setting standards then why are some states allowed to eliminate grades, graduation requirements? Name one thing which the Fed Govt does well. It isn’t education.
 
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Sadly it’s gone much further than that. If the DOE was setting standards then why are some states allowed to eliminate grades, graduation requirements? Name one thing which the Fed Govt does well. It isn’t education.
Those problems that you listed were implemented at the local/state level, lol. Are you arguing for tighter federal control and enforcement? Smh.

DOE sets aptitude and academic progress standards and testing requirements. State and local school boards determine on how to educate their kids, but must meet (or show progress towards meeting) federal standards. If some school districts want to get rid of letter grades and people don't like it, they should take it up with their local school board.
 
Those problems that you listed were implemented at the local/state level, lol. Are you arguing for tighter federal control and enforcement? Smh.

DOE sets aptitude and academic progress standards and testing requirements. State and local school boards determine on how to educate their kids, but must meet (or show progress towards meeting) federal standards. If some school districts want to get rid of letter grades and people don't like it, they should take it up with their local school board.
Pointing out the DOE which was supposed to have set uniform national standards in essence allowed just the opposite to take place. Time to disband the Fed DOE. Test scores have declined, our students are 1 1/2 to 2 grades behind. There is no reason for it, it’s a worthless Fed bureaucracy.
 
Pointing out the DOE which was supposed to have set uniform national standards in essence allowed just the opposite to take place. Time to disband the Fed DOE. Test scores have declined, our students are 1 1/2 to 2 grades behind. There is no reason for it, it’s a worthless Fed bureaucracy.
I agree ☝️ and we also need to get rid of the teachers unions. They are protecting incompetence!
 
Pointing out the DOE which was supposed to have set uniform national standards in essence allowed just the opposite to take place. Time to disband the Fed DOE. Test scores have declined, our students are 1 1/2 to 2 grades behind. There is no reason for it, it’s a worthless Fed bureaucracy.
You keep arguing for less Federal involvement, by arguing that the Feds should have been more involved. Again, the issues you cite (which are far from universal) can be traced back to state and local school board decisions and demographic changes. The DOE didn't mandate the state of Utah to get rid of letter grades. The state legislature and school board members did this and ultimately the voters of Utah are responsible. Are you saying the Feds should come in and tell them "no"?

States and localities have enormous freedom on how they achieve or work to achieve national standards. Isn't this exactly what people want (for the Feds to let them make decisions). Only recourse the Feds have is to withhold funding if schools/districts aren't meeting standards or demonstrating sufficient progress towards meeting standards.

Personally, I think the DOE should redirect some of their efforts and become more stringent. However, as soon as they really put someone's feet to the fire, people will be yelling "government overreach". Folks can have it both ways.
 
You keep arguing for less Federal involvement, by arguing that the Feds should have been more involved. Again, the issues you cite (which are far from universal) can be traced back to state and local school board decisions and demographic changes. The DOE didn't mandate the state of Utah to get rid of letter grades. The state legislature and school board members did this and ultimately the voters of Utah are responsible. Are you saying the Feds should come in and tell them "no"?

States and localities have enormous freedom on how they achieve or work to achieve national standards. Isn't this exactly what people want (for the Feds to let them make decisions). Only recourse the Feds have is to withhold funding if schools/districts aren't meeting standards or demonstrating sufficient progress towards meeting standards.

Personally, I think the DOE should redirect some of their efforts and become more stringent. However, as soon as they really put someone's feet to the fire, people will be yelling "government overreach". Folks can have it both ways.
Hell I think the Teachers Unions are the ones destroying our education systems in this country. They are protecting incompetent teachers and ruling the government on how to educate our children. They have gone from education to indoctrination and it’s destroying our education system.
 
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You keep arguing for less Federal involvement, by arguing that the Feds should have been more involved. Again, the issues you cite (which are far from universal) can be traced back to state and local school board decisions and demographic changes. The DOE didn't mandate the state of Utah to get rid of letter grades. The state legislature and school board members did this and ultimately the voters of Utah are responsible. Are you saying the Feds should come in and tell them "no"?

States and localities have enormous freedom on how they achieve or work to achieve national standards. Isn't this exactly what people want (for the Feds to let them make decisions). Only recourse the Feds have is to withhold funding if schools/districts aren't meeting standards or demonstrating sufficient progress towards meeting standards.

Personally, I think the DOE should redirect some of their efforts and become more stringent. However, as soon as they really put someone's feet to the fire, people will be yelling "government overreach". Folks can have it both ways.
No I am pointing out that the so called purpose has not been served so abolish the Dept it has no purpose. States are quite capable of running their public schools.
 
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No I am pointing out that the so called purpose has not been served so abolish the Dept it has no purpose. States are quite capable of running their public schools.
But the evidence you have provided: removal of letter grades, lowering test scores, etc. shows that the states aren't quite capable of running their public schools. Current situation --> states have tremendous latitude on how educate their kids --> some states do a bad job --> people yell, "it's all l the Feds fault".

If people aren't happy with their kid's education, get involved at the school, vote for new school board members (or vote for different people that chose the school board), petition your state reps. These are the people most involved with the educational decisions affecting your child. I know it much easier to blame some bureaucrat in Washington, but most peoples problems in this world lay at their own feet.
 
Hell I think the Teachers Unions are the ones destroying our education systems in this country. They are protecting incompetent teachers and ruling the government on how to educate our children. They have gone from education to indoctrination and it’s destroying our education system.
I think Unions in some cases have certainly done things that aren't in their long-term best interest or the kids. I also think they do a lot of good. Again, the local and state school boards are responsible for dealing with unions. If unions overstep then the local school board has recourse and vice versa.
 
But the evidence you have provided: removal of letter grades, lowering test scores, etc. shows that the states aren't quite capable of running their public schools. Current situation --> states have tremendous latitude on how educate their kids --> some states do a bad job --> people yell, "it's all l the Feds fault".

If people aren't happy with their kid's education, get involved at the school, vote for new school board members (or vote for different people that chose the school board), petition your state reps. These are the people most involved with the educational decisions affecting your child. I know it much easier to blame some bureaucrat in Washington, but most peoples problems in this world lay at their own feet.
It is up to the states and the residents to determine how they run their public schools. Abolish the DOE. As for getting involved locally, voting etc, there is a choice you omitted….send your children to a private school. Parents should push for school choice.
 
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I think Unions in some cases have certainly done things that aren't in their long-term best interest or the kids. I also think they do a lot of good. Again, the local and state school boards are responsible for dealing with unions. If unions overstep then the local school board has recourse and vice versa.
Very little good has come from teachers unions in quite some time. They are very corrupt and almost worthless at this point.
 
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Very little good has come from teachers unions in quite some time. They are very corrupt and almost worthless at this point.
This is simply not true. I know of at least two cases personally where a teacher union (1) helped get a kid that has made death threats to a teacher (and students) removed from the school (parents were arguing that the kid was just joking, but he had drawing of stabbing people in the school) and (2) protected a teacher that was falsely accused of sexual abuse by parents and the Boy Scouts (of all organizations). It was finally revealed that the parent (whose kid was in the boy scouts) had a personal beef with the teacher.

Maybe you don't like that unions fight for higher wages or proper time for planning and grading, but to make a blanket statement that unions haven't done anything good in a long time, is just a lazy political narrative.
 
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It is up to the states and the residents to determine how they run their public schools. Abolish the DOE. As for getting involved locally, voting etc, there is a choice you omitted….send your children to a private school. Parents should push for school choice.
It already is up to the states and residents how to run their schools. DOE simply provides rules for academic achievement and student treatment and distributes the federal funds to the states. If schools are failing it is largely a local problem, not a federal problem.

You realize that the DOE functions were present before the DOE's existence, right? Carter just brought all of this under one roof with the formation of the DOE to improve coordination and efficiency. It is not like if the DOE is abolished that there will be no federal rules regarding academic achievement and student treatment. It will simply just go back to being split between other federal departments.
 
It already is up to the states and residents how to run their schools. DOE simply provides rules for academic achievement and student treatment and distributes the federal funds to the states. If schools are failing it is largely a local problem, not a federal problem.

You realize that the DOE functions were present before the DOE's existence, right? Carter just brought all of this under one roof with the formation of the DOE to improve coordination and efficiency. It is not like if the DOE is abolished that there will be no federal rules regarding academic achievement and student treatment. It will simply just go back to being split between other federal departments.
It’s a worthless Dept which is not needed.
 
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