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When we took English for 12 straight years prior?
Why History when we took it twelve straight years prior…….. oh, nevermind, don’t teach history any longer.

Shouldn’t the Constitution be a basic educational requirement? Seems the instruction manual is always a good thing to read when you don’t have a clue.

Or does ignorance to the basic foundation of our country help move us FROM the basic foundations of our country.
 
When we took English for 12 straight years prior?
Why History when we took it twelve straight years prior…….. oh, nevermind, don’t teach history any longer.

Shouldn’t the Constitution be a basic educational requirement? Seems the instruction manual is always a good thing to read when you don’t have a clue.

Or does ignorance to the basic foundation of our country help move us FROM the basic foundations of our country.
Modern history is basically:

1609-1860 - America was super evil

1861-1877 - America was good but only on the side of the Union. It is acceptable to be proud of destroying Heritage Americans and reconstruction.

1877-1941 - back to being super evil

1941-1945 - America was good but one because we were killing nazis

1945-2024 - super evil with the exception of producing our founding father MLKjr and our the real foundational document the 1964 civil rights act.
 
Exactly what point are you attempting to convey here Clarification please.
What he's saying is that we should go back to the time when students were taught that slaves were happy with their circumstances and enjoyed positive outcomes like learning a trade.

Here is a page from a State of Virgina history book used for seventh graders. Look at the kindly master warmly greeting the newly arrived slave and his family! Looked at how well dressed they all are! Happy times!

OIP.4Tav3Ap3VdjQO51NG88tMwAAAA
 
Or does ignorance to the basic foundation of our country help move us FROM the basic foundations of our country.
^^^^This is the answer. A long, slow, takedown of our country has been in the works and the last few years have sped everything up.

Intentional embarrassments abroad (Afghanistan) and the lawfare by the DOJ and the planned invasion by non-citizens. These are not independent issues; they are all a planned takedown of the country, aided and abetted by ignorance installed in the education system.
 
Kids in school dont get taught to love this country. They don’t even like it by the time they graduate. But everyone all over the world is trying to get here.
100%. The idiots with Ukraine flags on their cars never would have an American flag on their car or at their home.
 
What he's saying is that we should go back to the time when students were taught that slaves were happy with their circumstances and enjoyed positive outcomes like learning a trade.

Here is a page from a State of Virgina history book used for seventh graders. Look at the kindly master warmly greeting the newly arrived slave and his family! Looked at how well dressed they all are! Happy times!

OIP.4Tav3Ap3VdjQO51NG88tMwAAAA
There were thousands of black slaveowners too. Why aren’t they pictured?
 
What he's saying is that we should go back to the time when students were taught that slaves were happy with their circumstances and enjoyed positive outcomes like learning a trade.

Here is a page from a State of Virgina history book used for seventh graders. Look at the kindly master warmly greeting the newly arrived slave and his family! Looked at how well dressed they all are! Happy times!

OIP.4Tav3Ap3VdjQO51NG88tMwAAAA
We don't have to go back in time, because just last year DeSantis was promoting that.

 
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There were thousands of black slaveowners too. Why aren’t they pictured?
Great question. For decades in most of the South and much of the country, slavery was taught in a way to minimize the horrors of the practice while simultaneously reinforcing white supremacy.

This was all part of the propagation of the Lost Cause narrative, that was created expressly to teach that:
  1. Secession was lawful and justified: It asserted that the southern states had legitimately exercised their constitutional rights to secede from the Union over issues like state's rights and northern oppression.
  2. Slavery was not the main cause: It downplayed the role of slavery as the principal cause of the war, instead emphasizing issues like states' rights, northern aggression, and the preservation of the southern way of life.
  3. The Confederacy was morally superior: It portrayed the Confederacy as morally upright, and its leaders and soldiers as honorable, chivalric, and fighting for a just cause against northern aggression.
  4. The South was overwhelmed: It argued that the South was ultimately overwhelmed by the North's greater population, industrial capacity, and resources, rather than being defeated on the battlefield.
  5. Confederate soldiers were superior: It celebrated the Confederate soldiers' skill, valor, and commitment, often depicting them as underdogs fighting heroically against long odds.
The Lost Cause theory was propagated through writings, memoirs, speeches, and the establishment of memorial associations and monuments. It helped shape a positive historical memory of the Confederacy and provided a way for Southerners to cope with the trauma of defeat while setting aside the issue of slavery.

So, to answer your question, teaching about black slave owners might help soften the perception of the obvious role wealthy whites had in propagating and preserving slavery in our country. The problem is, that same message would be counter to the additional goal of reinforcing white supremacy while denigrating blacks as the inferior race incapable of autonomy and self-governance.
 
There were thousands of black slaveowners too. Why aren’t they pictured?
There were a total 2 million AA slaves in 1830 America...of thise roughly 13K were owned by AA slave owners, that's .O6%. Are you trying to argue that the white slaveowners and slavery weren't bad people because .06% of the slaves owner were owned by AA? Help me understand the point of mentioning what you did?

 
Modern history is basically:

1609-1860 - America was super evil

1861-1877 - America was good but only on the side of the Union. It is acceptable to be proud of destroying Heritage Americans and reconstruction.

1877-1941 - back to being super evil

1941-1945 - America was good but one because we were killing nazis

1945-2024 - super evil with the exception of producing our founding father MLKjr and our the real foundational document the 1964 civil rights act.
Yep
 
What he's saying is that we should go back to the time when students were taught that slaves were happy with their circumstances and enjoyed positive outcomes like learning a trade.

Here is a page from a State of Virgina history book used for seventh graders. Look at the kindly master warmly greeting the newly arrived slave and his family! Looked at how well dressed they all are! Happy times!

OIP.4Tav3Ap3VdjQO51NG88tMwAAAA
I was never taught slaves were happy with their situation. Emotional response will.

Slaves did learn a trade and the English language and introduced to Christ. That is factual.

Was that section about indentured servants hired to work or is that to “ease the pain” of actual slave trade. There is context to all pictures. Funny you chose a schoolbook from one of the most liberal school systems in the country.

Just saying.

Of course, my original point was not to discuss opinion on history, but why students have to go in debt learning the same thing over and over.
 
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We don't have to go back in time, because just last year DeSantis was promoting that.

Do we teach to create divide or teach to promote change that has taken place.

When we teach racial excuse, we remove initiative to achieve, to take responsibility.
 
There were a total 2 million AA slaves in 1830 America...of thise roughly 13K were owned by AA slave owners, that's .O6%. Are you trying to argue that the white slaveowners and slavery weren't bad people because .06% of the slaves owner were owned by AA? Help me understand the point of mentioning what you did?

And under 3% of whites owned slaves.

So how does that percentage work out?

Are all whites guilty of supremacy?
 
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So you're asking kids to ignore or believe in an alternate form of American history?
Why is loving this country bad or alternative?

Love this country for how it was put together and the rights it guarantees.

Or keep walking in the same puddle without the boots you are carrying.
 
I was never taught slaves were happy with their situation. Emotional response will.

Slaves did learn a trade and the English language and introduced to Christ. That is factual.

Was that section about indentured servants hired to work or is that to “ease the pain” of actual slave trade. There is context to all pictures. Funny you chose a schoolbook from one of the most liberal school systems in the country.

Just saying.

Of course, my original point was not to discuss opinion on history, but why students have to go in debt learning the same thing over and over.
If you think the state of Virginia has one of the most liberal school systems in the country, you haven’t spent much time in Virginia.

Regardless, this book was from the late fifties/early sixties, when VA was as conservative state as any in the country and it is indicative of the coordinated effort at the time to fight segregation.

 
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And under 3% of whites owned slaves.

So how does that percentage work out?

Are all whites guilty of supremacy?
Serious question is this conservative white guilt because I've never heard anyone of any importance say all white people are racist today because of racism 250 years ago.

So why the guilt when talking about slavery
 
And under 3% of whites owned slaves.

So how does that percentage work out?

Are all whites guilty of supremacy?
And slave industry wasn't just 3% of the southern economy.

The total value of enslaved persons on the south alone accounted for 35% of its GDP.

Because of slavery the American south was responsible for 75% of the world's cotton production.

Because of slavery there were more millionaires in the Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the country.

And because of slavery the American south of estimated to be the 11th richest country in the world.

To say this country was built on the mistreatment and torture of AA is accurate. And if they makes you feel guilty then that's a you problem not anyone else's.
 
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When we took English for 12 straight years prior?
Why History when we took it twelve straight years prior…….. oh, nevermind, don’t teach history any longer.

Shouldn’t the Constitution be a basic educational requirement? Seems the instruction manual is always a good thing to read when you don’t have a clue.

Or does ignorance to the basic foundation of our country help move us FROM the basic foundations of our country.
Why do you have to pay for college? You don't pay for High School (Public). When I went to UGA the tuition, indexed up for inflation, was $3,200 a year. What is it today?
 
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When we took English for 12 straight years prior?
Why History when we took it twelve straight years prior…….. oh, nevermind, don’t teach history any longer.

Shouldn’t the Constitution be a basic educational requirement? Seems the instruction manual is always a good thing to read when you don’t have a clue.

Or does ignorance to the basic foundation of our country help move us FROM the basic foundations of our country.
Well the standard for writing essays in English 101 is higher than that of most high schools. The reading assignments are usually more varied as well. I think for some it does serve to elevate the level of comprehension and discourse. Depends on the professor of course.
 
What he's saying is that we should go back to the time when students were taught that slaves were happy with their circumstances and enjoyed positive outcomes like learning a trade.

Here is a page from a State of Virgina history book used for seventh graders. Look at the kindly master warmly greeting the newly arrived slave and his family! Looked at how well dressed they all are! Happy times!

OIP.4Tav3Ap3VdjQO51NG88tMwAAAA

you sir,
are a funny guy (most of the time)...
 
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^^^^This is the answer. A long, slow, takedown of our country has been in the works and the last few years have sped everything up.

Intentional embarrassments abroad (Afghanistan) and the lawfare by the DOJ and the planned invasion by non-citizens. These are not independent issues; they are all a planned takedown of the country, aided and abetted by ignorance installed in the education system.
indeed!
other than a vote,
what is a citizen's recourse?
 
Great question. For decades in most of the South and much of the country, slavery was taught in a way to minimize the horrors of the practice while simultaneously reinforcing white supremacy.

This was all part of the propagation of the Lost Cause narrative, that was created expressly to teach that:
  1. Secession was lawful and justified: It asserted that the southern states had legitimately exercised their constitutional rights to secede from the Union over issues like state's rights and northern oppression.
  2. Slavery was not the main cause: It downplayed the role of slavery as the principal cause of the war, instead emphasizing issues like states' rights, northern aggression, and the preservation of the southern way of life.
  3. The Confederacy was morally superior: It portrayed the Confederacy as morally upright, and its leaders and soldiers as honorable, chivalric, and fighting for a just cause against northern aggression.
  4. The South was overwhelmed: It argued that the South was ultimately overwhelmed by the North's greater population, industrial capacity, and resources, rather than being defeated on the battlefield.
  5. Confederate soldiers were superior: It celebrated the Confederate soldiers' skill, valor, and commitment, often depicting them as underdogs fighting heroically against long odds.
The Lost Cause theory was propagated through writings, memoirs, speeches, and the establishment of memorial associations and monuments. It helped shape a positive historical memory of the Confederacy and provided a way for Southerners to cope with the trauma of defeat while setting aside the issue of slavery.

So, to answer your question, teaching about black slave owners might help soften the perception of the obvious role wealthy whites had in propagating and preserving slavery in our country. The problem is, that same message would be counter to the additional goal of reinforcing white supremacy while denigrating blacks as the inferior race incapable of autonomy and self-governance.

1. I think secession was and is legal and logical. By logical I mean a matter of common sense. The idea that you can join but can't leave doesn't add up to me.

2. Slavery was the main cause. No reason to argue otherwise. There are other factors like power and control. But there is no war without Slavery.

3. Neither side had the moral high ground imo. Slavery was, of course evil. But the north benefitted from it too. The North wasn't exactly a bastion of tolerance and equality.

4. The South was beaten, period. "Overwhelmed" is just a word game.

5. The south did face superior numbers and resources. But man is from GA is not better than a man from Maine.....just because he's from GA.
 
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When we took English for 12 straight years prior?
Why History when we took it twelve straight years prior…….. oh, nevermind, don’t teach history any longer.

Shouldn’t the Constitution be a basic educational requirement? Seems the instruction manual is always a good thing to read when you don’t have a clue.

Or does ignorance to the basic foundation of our country help move us FROM the basic foundations of our country.
From the basic foundation of our country. This is by design to turn our country into a socialist democracy. That is what the Democrats mean when they say they have to protect their democracy.
 
What he's saying is that we should go back to the time when students were taught that slaves were happy with their circumstances and enjoyed positive outcomes like learning a trade.

Here is a page from a State of Virgina history book used for seventh graders. Look at the kindly master warmly greeting the newly arrived slave and his family! Looked at how well dressed they all are! Happy times!

OIP.4Tav3Ap3VdjQO51NG88tMwAAAA
You’re offensive to minorities . You should be careful with your caucasian compassion.
 
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And slave industry wasn't just 3% of the southern economy.

The total value of enslaved persons on the south alone accounted for 35% of its GDP.

Because of slavery the American south was responsible for 75% of the world's cotton production.

Because of slavery there were more millionaires in the Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the country.

And because of slavery the American south of estimated to be the 11th richest country in the world.

To say this country was built on the mistreatment and torture of AA is accurate. And if they makes you feel guilty then that's a you problem not anyone else's.
Democrats did the slave trade . Republicans started a war to stop it. Didn’t see that posted. Now the democrats are enslaving blacks again, this time with your and your Democratic Party help.
 
You’re offensive to minorities . You should be careful with your caucasian compassion.
Hey man there’s nothing wrong with learning a trade . That’s what I did when I graduated high school and earned a descent living. Raised my family and some finished college. Everyone is not born with a silver spoon in their mouth and had the privilege of finishing college like you bleeding hearts. You people sit up there in your ivory towers and speak about the blacks like you are one of them. You people don’t even know what blacks went through only what you have read. The only time you people think about blacks is when it’s time to vote. Any other time they are just a nobody that you don’t know or want them in your gated community.
 
Great question. For decades in most of the South and much of the country, slavery was taught in a way to minimize the horrors of the practice while simultaneously reinforcing white supremacy.

This was all part of the propagation of the Lost Cause narrative, that was created expressly to teach that:
  1. Secession was lawful and justified: It asserted that the southern states had legitimately exercised their constitutional rights to secede from the Union over issues like state's rights and northern oppression.
  2. Slavery was not the main cause: It downplayed the role of slavery as the principal cause of the war, instead emphasizing issues like states' rights, northern aggression, and the preservation of the southern way of life.
  3. The Confederacy was morally superior: It portrayed the Confederacy as morally upright, and its leaders and soldiers as honorable, chivalric, and fighting for a just cause against northern aggression.
  4. The South was overwhelmed: It argued that the South was ultimately overwhelmed by the North's greater population, industrial capacity, and resources, rather than being defeated on the battlefield.
  5. Confederate soldiers were superior: It celebrated the Confederate soldiers' skill, valor, and commitment, often depicting them as underdogs fighting heroically against long odds.
The Lost Cause theory was propagated through writings, memoirs, speeches, and the establishment of memorial associations and monuments. It helped shape a positive historical memory of the Confederacy and provided a way for Southerners to cope with the trauma of defeat while setting aside the issue of slavery.

So, to answer your question, teaching about black slave owners might help soften the perception of the obvious role wealthy whites had in propagating and preserving slavery in our country. The problem is, that same message would be counter to the additional goal of reinforcing white supremacy while denigrating blacks as the inferior race incapable of autonomy and self-governance.
There were almost 4000 of them. Story book of fiction when I read your posts.
 
What he's saying is that we should go back to the time when students were taught that slaves were happy with their circumstances and enjoyed positive outcomes like learning a trade.

Here is a page from a State of Virgina history book used for seventh graders. Look at the kindly master warmly greeting the newly arrived slave and his family! Looked at how well dressed they all are! Happy times!

OIP.4Tav3Ap3VdjQO51NG88tMwAAAA
Based on this take, you just LOVE the DEI / CRT BS, dont ya?
 
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Democrats did the slave trade . Republicans started a war to stop it. Didn’t see that posted. Now the democrats are enslaving blacks again, this time with your and your Democratic Party help.
Political parties, like any other human enterprise, don’t remain static across 150 years. What has happened during our lifetimes is significantly more relevant than what happened in the 1800s.

Learn the history of the Southern Strategy if you care to understand the modern GOP.


Hey man there’s nothing wrong with learning a trade . That’s what I did when I graduated high school and earned a descent living. Raised my family and some finished college. Everyone is not born with a silver spoon in their mouth and had the privilege of finishing college like you bleeding hearts. You people sit up there in your ivory towers and speak about the blacks like you are one of them. You people don’t even know what blacks went through only what you have read. The only time you people think about blacks is when it’s time to vote. Any other time they are just a nobody that you don’t know or want them in your gated community.
That’s a lot of assumptions you are making about someone you only know through a chat board. I put myself through UGA waiting tables and never left Athens during the summer so that I could graduate on time. You have no idea what has shaped my views beyond some posts, so maybe engage in ideas and not assumptions.

BTW, I’d rather be flayed alive than live in a gated community.

You could blow his mind and ask him what color the people were that sold them into slavery to begin with!
I was a history major. No one needs to explain the origins of the African slave trade to me, but thanks for the suggestion.

Black participation in the institute of slavery doesn’t mean it wasn’t primarily a white enterprise in the US. Acknowledging that and the history of institutionalized racism in our country doesn’t suggest that you, me or anyone else today are racist. It means you understand and accept history, and understanding history, real history, is essential to charting a course for the future.
 
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Did I say that? Depends on if you support of expose white supremacy ideology
I am a member of the white supremacy fan club.
Well the standard for writing essays in English 101 is higher than that of most high schools. The reading assignments are usually more varied as well. I think for some it does serve to elevate the level of comprehension and discourse. Depends on the professor of course.
Then our public school system is broke.
 
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