@Moosefish any problem with foreign govts conspicuous use of the Trump hotel? Is it so different just because it’s a legitimate business? Foreign governments spent hundreds of thousands at the hotels. That’s not easy to spend that much money. Thats literally hundreds of nights. Nobody serious thinks that was anything other than to buy influence do they?
So that is where yo draw the line. So if the Bidens sold a service it wouldnt matter if the foreign govt bought the service as a pretext to influence buying, they are still buying a legitimate service so all good?He owns hotels. What's conspicuous? He's lost $ since he became POTUS. Regardless...at least he's offering a product. What product/service do the Bidens provide?
By conspicuous I mean- an unusually large amount of moneyHe owns hotels. What's conspicuous? He's lost $ since he became POTUS. Regardless...at least he's offering a product. What product/service do the Bidens provide?
He owns hotels. What's conspicuous? He's lost $ since he became POTUS. Regardless...at least he's offering a product. What product/service do the Bidens provide?
If there was a legitimate service being offered...this would be a different conversation & then you could look at pretexts for spending money. The Trump issues you're bringing up are a different discussion that has more layers and is much more complex. Similar issues get brought up by retired Generals that make decisions that affect their "new" employers.So that is where yo draw the line. So if the Bidens sold a service it wouldnt matter if the foreign govt bought the service as a pretext to influence buying, they are still buying a legitimate service so all good?
By conspicuous I mean- an unusually large amount of money
Trump is the only president to maintain his private businesses while President, so it’s uncharted territory. Some would argue its inherently influence peddling.I'll also ask: is it conspicuous? Have we compared it to similar hotel properties, based on location? Large amounts of $ paid by foreign governments to hotels in DC might be relatively common. Where are the comparisons? I can't make a judgement based solely on $$ totals.
1. He complied with all requirements. He also lost $Trump is the only president to maintain his private businesses while President, so it’s uncharted territory. Some would argue its inherently influence peddling.
I'm going to address this again....what does Trump have to do with Biden, here? If they are both guilty of illegal influence peddling or bribery, book 'em both.Trump is the only president to maintain his private businesses while President, so it’s uncharted territory. Some would argue its inherently influence peddling.
No, he had an elaborate system of corruption funneling money through “Billy Beer”.Did Billy Carter funnel millions to family members via 40+ shell companies that had no legitimate real-world business? Are you defending this? I can't tell.
He is defending itDid Billy Carter funnel millions to family members via 40+ shell companies that had no legitimate real-world business? Are you defending this? I can't tell.
Well hes been in office for 50 years.Are you talking about when Biden was a private citizen or when he was President or VP? If it was when he was in office I agree it’s a huge problem. And even if not while in office, if there is some evidence of a quid pro quo, again a huge problem. I honestly dont know the details. I dont know the details on all Trump’s self-dealing either, I just don’t get into this stuff too much.
There is no smoking gun….that is kinda the point here.Just asking.....if this is such an open and shut case on the President, why has he not been officially charged with any crime?
Isn't this a Republican lead committee looking into this stuff?
Seems this would be a great time to spring these findings at the moment the Dems seem to be doing better in recent polls.
Maybe it will this election cycles "October Suprise". We shall see.
If he is guilty, lock him up today.
If he is not, move along.
He can't be convicted or acquitted on the "chat".
No head in the sand my man, seems cut and dry to me from what you are saying.......lock him up!There is no smoking gun….that is kinda the point here.
Name another instance like this in American politics? Could there be, sure….im unaware of it
There is no check being deposited into the account of Joe Biden.
What the committee has proven is that Joe Biden sold the power of his seat or the illusioned power of his seat, to foreign countries, through his son, that enriched his family to the tune of millions of dollars.
If you think Joe didn’t know this was happening…head in the sand
If you think Joe let his family get rich off him and he didn’t see a dime…head in the sand
Why not have direct payments to the family through legitimate businesses they own and provide services for? Why the multiple LLCs….why the multiple Shell corporations to funnel the money through? We all know the answer. To hide it, to make ot hard to track, to evade taxes…all the above. Why hide it if it’s all legit pay for legit business services?
Again…what business service was the Biden family providing to multiple foreign countries to be paid for?
Common sense is a tough dose of reality at times.
Have we ever accused a president of treason possibly? We have had a coup, an assassination attempt, president convicted of a bs felony, and now one looking like he committed treason. We are in a fantastic place. Proud of this administration.Just asking.....if this is such an open and shut case on the President, why has he not been officially charged with any crime?
Isn't this a Republican lead committee looking into this stuff?
Seems this would be a great time to spring these findings at the moment the Dems seem to be doing better in recent polls.
Maybe it will this election cycles "October Suprise". We shall see.
If he is guilty, lock him up today.
If he is not, move along.
He can't be convicted or acquitted on the "chat".
Head in the sand comment not directed at you just a general statement for those that refuse to use logicNo head in the sand my man, seems cut and dry to me from what you are saying.......lock him up!
I have not followed this like some of you. From the outside looking in, it seems if all the evidence is there, they should make formal charges.
If they cannot link it to him, other than as you say, "common sense", I doubt Joe will be turning himself in to authorities.
Hard to imagine a man who don't even know where he is half the time, could be the mastermind behind this elaborate scheme.
If he is, lock him up and throw away the key. It's that simple.
Also, if some of the ones making these charges are some of the ones claiming the 2020 election was stolen bs, then I would definitely take what they say with a huge grain of salt.
BTW, not defending anyone, if he was put away for life today, I could care less.
Always loved this quote:
No argument from me my friend.Head in the sand comment not directed at you just a general statement for those that refuse to use logic
I honestly don’t care about locking him up. He’s old and should retire and enjoy his remaining years.
But for years we had to hear the moral high ground and I’d rather just hear all right this was corrupt as hell and that be that
Pretty racey statement 😂Hunter is clearly on a whole different level. But a black sheep is a black sheep
You need to ignore him all he is doing is whataboutism and deflection. He does not want to know the truth.I'm going to address this again....what does Trump have to do with Biden, here? If they are both guilty of illegal influence peddling or bribery, book 'em both.
One has nothing to do with the other.
I literally agreed that the Hunter stuff could indeed be bad for old Joe. I then wanted to understand how he might view similar (but in some ways distinct) issues around Trump. This is a discussion board, no?You need to ignore him all he is doing is whataboutism and deflection. He does not want to know the truth.
Bravo. Nothing like bringing up the brother of another Democrat President from 50 years ago and being so far off base. Amazing....Billy Carter
The board is waiting on your moral equivalencing to count how many times they have indicted Trump vs the Biden crime family. It is approximately eleventy billion to zero.I literally agreed that the Hunter stuff could indeed be bad for old Joe. I then wanted to understand how he might view similar (but in some ways distinct) issues around Trump. This is a discussion board, no?
All of what he listed is on the board and you could search for it under his name or search on the web. Most people don’t want to know the truth was what I was getting at.I literally agreed that the Hunter stuff could indeed be bad for old Joe. I then wanted to understand how he might view similar (but in some ways distinct) issues around Trump. This is a discussion board, no?
If one doesn't look then one will not see.Clearly, you haven't been keeping up & I have neither the patience nor the desire to provide (again) what has already been provided on this board in the past.
At this point, denying that the Biden family got huge amounts of $$$ for the promise of political influence is a losing proposition....especially since I already provided above a link to the Special Counsel's finding of $$ paid while Biden was VP.
What else do you need?
Just asking.....if this is such an open and shut case on the President, why has he not been officially charged with any crime?
Isn't this a Republican lead committee looking into this stuff?
Seems this would be a great time to spring these findings at the moment the Dems seem to be doing better in recent polls.
Maybe it will this election cycles "October Suprise". We shall see.
If he is guilty, lock him up today.
If he is not, move along.
He can't be convicted or acquitted on the "chat".
This!One guy hasn’t even been accused formally of this. For goodness sake, they have looked under every stone on planet earth to charge djt with something. If he was influence peddling, some jackwagon like Jack smith would already be on camera telling people he is guilty. The left made up a felony. Made up a way to make paying a loan on time illegal. Had a porn star entrap the guy. The fbi had to slap itself on the wrist for spending too much money over pursuing trump when nothing was there. The cia is now complicit in the coverup of what amounts to treason. Do the 50 letter writers get anything, for basically causing everyone to look somewhere else. Also 100 percent interfering with an election. Etc etc.
Biden was accused of this several times. He has denied it during a debate. Then walked back that he never had any contact with hunters payee’s because it was proven otherwise. Jees, Trump was impeached for asking Zelenskyy to check this out. Has Biden been giving so much aid to Zelenskyy for keeping quiet about Joe and his son? There are so many moving parts now that the admission has come down. The left will circle the wagons. Nothing will happen to Joe. He will have been a part of the biggest cover up and corruption scheme in dc history. Hell yes Nancy. Put him on Mount Rushmore. Ouch
He can’t do that, he’s not capable.Sure, but stay on topic![]()