“So you can shoot someone”…

[Eastmandawg]

for turning into the wrong driveway??

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/woman-shot-wrong-driveway-upstate-new-york/index.html

Thinks the world have lost their collective minds.

 

[willdup]

for turning into the wrong driveway??

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/woman-shot-wrong-driveway-upstate-new-york/index.html

Thinks the world has lost their collective minds.

Where did the people promoting the unfettered proliferation of firearms think we were going to end up? I’d challenge anyone here to share any data suggesting more guns in society results in more safety, because I haven’t seen it.

Add the very intentional loosening of the gun laws, stand your ground laws all paired with the continued stoking of hatred for those you disagree with and this is a picture of our future.

What do you think the results will be if Gov Abbot follows through with his pardon of Daniel Perry? Think that might lead to more
violence, because I sure do.

Daniel Perry trial: Racist, anti-protester messages revealed in unsealed documents

The unsealed 76-page court document reveals social media messages and posts made by Daniel Perry months before he shot and killed Black Lives Matter protester Garrett Foster.

www.fox7austin.com

 

[Eastmandawg]

Where did the people promoting the unfettered proliferation of firearms think we were going to end up? I’d challenge anyone here to share any data suggesting more guns in society results in more safety, because I haven’t seen it.

Add the very intentional loosening of the gun laws, stand your ground laws all paired with the continued stoking of hatred for those you disagree with and this is a picture of our future.

What do you think the results will be if Gov Abbot follows through with his pardon of Daniel Perry? Think that might lead to more
violence, because I sure do.

Daniel Perry trial: Racist, anti-protester messages revealed in unsealed documents

The unsealed 76-page court document reveals social media messages and posts made by Daniel Perry months before he shot and killed Black Lives Matter protester Garrett Foster.

www.fox7austin.com

There will always be Louis Farrakhan’s and JB Stoner’s of the world imo. Racism will never go away, at least not in my lifetime.

Neither will the guns, you can’t start all over with that. The cat was let out of the bag long ago…. no turning it back.

All of this has been here for “long time now”.

I’m afraid it all will get worse before it gets better. Some just don’t learn, or don’t want to.

No good answer other than to hope that people will eventually finally get it….evolve.

 

[DawgWCK]

Where did the people promoting the unfettered proliferation of firearms think we were going to end up? I’d challenge anyone here to share any data suggesting more guns in society results in more safety, because I haven’t seen it.

Add the very intentional loosening of the gun laws, stand your ground laws all paired with the continued stoking of hatred for those you disagree with and this is a picture of our future.

What do you think the results will be if Gov Abbot follows through with his pardon of Daniel Perry? Think that might lead to more
violence, because I sure do.

Daniel Perry trial: Racist, anti-protester messages revealed in unsealed documents

The unsealed 76-page court document reveals social media messages and posts made by Daniel Perry months before he shot and killed Black Lives Matter protester Garrett Foster.

www.fox7austin.com

The Daniel Perry case has numerous twist and turns. One one side of the isle we have a protester pointing a M-16 at you, on the other isle we have someone potentially trying to put themselves in a volatile situation so you can you lethal force. Which isle is correct, no idea but clearly not cut and dry. His social media post are relevant, but not sure the tell entire story. Regardless, tragic situation and perhaps poor choices by victim and Mr Perry.

 

[PotimusWillie]

Where did the people promoting the unfettered proliferation of firearms think we were going to end up? I’d challenge anyone here to share any data suggesting more guns in society results in more safety, because I haven’t seen it.

Add the very intentional loosening of the gun laws, stand your ground laws all paired with the continued stoking of hatred for those you disagree with and this is a picture of our future.

What do you think the results will be if Gov Abbot follows through with his pardon of Daniel Perry? Think that might lead to more
violence, because I sure do.

Daniel Perry trial: Racist, anti-protester messages revealed in unsealed documents

The unsealed 76-page court document reveals social media messages and posts made by Daniel Perry months before he shot and killed Black Lives Matter protester Garrett Foster.

www.fox7austin.com

No, it’s not the guns. It’s our culture.

We have stopped training our children, our youth.

If we are unwilling to be civilized, why should we expect anything different than what is happening now?

 

[deadduckdawg]

for turning into the wrong driveway??

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/woman-shot-wrong-driveway-upstate-new-york/index.html

Thinks the world has lost their collective minds.

Where is the @CocoDawg indignation and rage?

 

[Eastmandawg]

Where is the @CocoDawg indignation and rage?

He’s on a one way street and can’t get off.

 

[dawgfood0612]

No, it’s not the guns. It’s our culture.

We have stopped training our children, our youth.

If we are unwilling to be civilized, why should we expect anything different than what is happening now?

Potimus, it is a combination of the culture and the availability of guns.

Without the guns, the loss of life will be a lot less.

Not that complicated

 

[Eastmandawg]

Potimus, it is a combination of the culture and the availability of guns.

Without the guns, the loss of life will be a lot less.

Not that complicated

So how do you protect yourself from those with guns??

 

[nice marmot]

No, it’s not the guns. It’s our culture.

We have stopped training our children, our youth.

If we are unwilling to be civilized, why should we expect anything different than what is happening now?

Damn kids:

 

[nice marmot]

Damn kids...

Kids I tell you!

(KC porch shooter):

 

[Eastmandawg]

Damn kids:

Damn kids:

Wonder if they are related:

 

[jenkinscreekdawg]

Potimus, it is a combination of the culture and the availability of guns.

Without the guns, the loss of life will be a lot less.

Not that complicated

It is very complicated , guns have always been available ...it is the culture , just look at who is roaming our streets and stealing anything that's not nailed down . Where are the parents ????

 

[CocoDawg]

It is very complicated , guns have always been available ...it is the culture , just look at who is roaming our streets and stealing anything that's not nailed down . Where are the parents ????

Most likely working.

 

[CocoDawg]

Where is the @CocoDawg indignation and rage?

Where is yours?

 

[nice marmot]

Wonder if they are related:

oh dear god, what has beau bridges done now?

 

[deadduckdawg]

It is very complicated , guns have always been available ...it is the culture , just look at who is roaming our streets and stealing anything that's not nailed down . Where are the parents ????

Until the 60s you could order guns from Sears and other retailers through the mail. Guns were not even serialized. Guns were everywhere. Kids would bring them in their cars to school and go hunting after school. Something must have changed. What could it be? The lazy answer is, “There were millions of guns in the 60s, now there are more so it must be caused by the increased number of guns.” It’s a completely idiotic theory espoused by those without the courage to define the real roots of the problem, of which there are many. One is video games which teach kids from birth that the answer to any problem or conflict is to pull the trigger. The most obvious cause is a huge increase in savagery in our culture. The reasons for that are also obvious, but complicated and taboo to discuss. Another cause is the expansion of the old mafia concept of “made”, whereby one gains status and respect by shooting fellow man. There are dozens of causes and it is anything but uncomplicated.

 

[PotimusWillie]

Potimus, it is a combination of the culture and the availability of guns.

Without the guns, the loss of life will be a lot less.

Not that complicated

dawg, the empathy, the concern for feelings……

If you do not talk to your children. If they hear nothing, will they talk coherently?

If a child is never removed from a diaper and taught to use the potty, what happens?

In both of those situations, the fallout is great if proper training is not applied.

We no longer teach our children the basics of life regarding human decency and respect for others. We raise children who must forage on their own to get what they want.

We raise children, who will seek acceptance somewhere if they are not held to the sanctity of the family.

Human beings cannot be left to their own accord to learn civilized behavior.

So with the liberalization of our school system, removing our country’s history of citizenry and replacing with a socialists dream, promoting self indulgent movements.

With the growth of the internet, our citizens are finding acceptance of behavior by people and groups who care nothing for them and enjoy the anarchy.

Our schools shootings, trans promotion and movement away from a relationship with God, has tracked with the advent of the internet. Every family member is glued to what someone else wants to sell me.

If we want to fix our problems, raise and teach our children, with consequence of behavior, and stop assuming our children have the answers and stop being a Buddy raising a pet.

In that illustration, you teach respect for others, understand conflict mediation and guns become what they are. Sitting in a gun vault and used to shoot at the range or hunting or for protection.

Guns aren’t an intimidation, but that is what our culture teaches.

Unless our heart changes regarding family and responsibility, we’ll just keep spiraling into destruction.

Guns aren’t the problem. We have stopped being parents.

 

[Eastmandawg]

Until the 60s you could order guns from Sears and other retailers through the mail. Guns were not even serialized. Guns were everywhere. Kids would bring them in their cars to school and go hunting after school. Something must have changed. What could it be? The lazy answer is, “There were millions of guns in the 60s, now there are more so it must be caused by the increased number of guns.” It’s a completely idiotic theory espoused by those without the courage to define the real roots of the problem, of which there are many. One is video games which teach kids from birth that the answer to any problem or conflict is to pull the trigger. The most obvious cause is a huge increase in savagery in our culture. The reasons for that are also obvious, but complicated and taboo to discuss. Another cause is the expansion of the old mafia concept of “made”, whereby one gains status and respect by shooting fellow man. There are dozens of causes and it is anything but uncomplicated.

yep, good synopsis……and there are many more reasons as you point out.

So much of this starts at home. but afraid the problem/issue is here to stay.

 

[dawgfood0612]

dawg, the empathy, the concern for feelings……

If you do not talk to your children. If they hear nothing, will they talk coherently?

If a child is never removed from a diaper and taught to use the potty, what happens?

In both of those situations, the fallout is great if proper training is not applied.

We no longer teach our children the basics of life regarding human decency and respect for others. We raise children who must forage on their own to get what they want.

We raise children, who will seek acceptance somewhere if they are not held to the sanctity of the family.

Human beings cannot be left to their own accord to learn civilized behavior.

So with the liberalization of our school system, removing our country’s history of citizenry and replacing with a socialists dream, promoting self indulgent movements.

With the growth of the internet, our citizens are finding acceptance of behavior by people and groups who care nothing for them and enjoy the anarchy.

Our schools shootings, trans promotion and movement away from a relationship with God, has tracked with the advent of the internet. Every family member is glued to what someone else wants to sell me.

If we want to fix our problems, raise and teach our children, with consequence of behavior, and stop assuming our children have the answers and stop being a Buddy raising a pet.

In that illustration, you teach respect for others, understand conflict mediation and guns become what they are. Sitting in a gun vault and used to shoot at the range or hunting or for protection.

Guns aren’t an intimidation, but that is what our culture teaches.

Unless our heart changes regarding family and responsibility, we’ll just keep spiraling into destruction.

Guns aren’t the problem. We have stopped being parents.

Potimus? I agree with everything you say above except for the last sentence.

The breakdowns in our society are fueling the sickos to commit these acts of violence,

However, the sickos have to have a means to carry out their plans, and that is where the guns come in.

Eliminate AR type rifles, and see if the casualties are less.

Why won’t you give that a chance?

 

[willdup]

Until the 60s you could order guns from Sears and other retailers through the mail. Guns were not even serialized. Guns were everywhere. Kids would bring them in their cars to school and go hunting after school. Something must have changed. What could it be? The lazy answer is, “There were millions of guns in the 60s, now there are more so it must be caused by the increased number of guns.” It’s a completely idiotic theory espoused by those without the courage to define the real roots of the problem, of which there are many. One is video games which teach kids from birth that the answer to any problem or conflict is to pull the trigger. The most obvious cause is a huge increase in savagery in our culture. The reasons for that are also obvious, but complicated and taboo to discuss. Another cause is the expansion of the old mafia concept of “made”, whereby one gains status and respect by shooting fellow man. There are dozens of causes and it is anything but uncomplicated.

No question the country started to change in the 1960's when a serious gun violence issue began to develop. The highest gun deaths in this country per 100k people was actually in 1974 (16.3 compared to 14.8 last year).

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

Of course one of the big questions is how do we compare to the rest of the developed world, where gun ownership is far more rare?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-01-30/how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-world-on-guns

 

[WyoDawg307]

for turning into the wrong driveway??

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/woman-shot-wrong-driveway-upstate-new-york/index.html

Thinks the world have lost their collective minds.

No racial angle here, so this story will disappear. Just as tragic, just no hustling and swindling for the race hustlers.

 

[PotimusWillie]

Potimus? I agree with everything you say above except for the last sentence.

The breakdowns in our society are fueling the sickos to commit these acts of violence,

However, the sickos have to have a means to carry out their plans, and that is where the guns come in.

Eliminate AR type rifles, and see if the casualties are less.

Why won’t you give that a chance?

I am in that discussion. Those should have a harder qualifier.

The question is who determines what an assault rifle is?

And where we are, what is available will be used. Rules such as this are for honest citizens only.

But I am with you in this discussion.

 

[CocoDawg]

Until the 60s you could order guns from Sears and other retailers through the mail. Guns were not even serialized. Guns were everywhere. Kids would bring them in their cars to school and go hunting after school. Something must have changed. What could it be? The lazy answer is, “There were millions of guns in the 60s, now there are more so it must be caused by the increased number of guns.” It’s a completely idiotic theory espoused by those without the courage to define the real roots of the problem, of which there are many. One is video games which teach kids from birth that the answer to any problem or conflict is to pull the trigger. The most obvious cause is a huge increase in savagery in our culture. The reasons for that are also obvious, but complicated and taboo to discuss. Another cause is the expansion of the old mafia concept of “made”, whereby one gains status and respect by shooting fellow man. There are dozens of causes and it is anything but uncomplicated.

So now we got two instances of young people being shot (one killed) by elderly men who both were around during the 60s. So what’s their excuse?

 

[PotimusWillie]

No question the country started to change in the 1960's when a serious gun violence issue began to develop. The highest gun deaths in this country per 100k people was actually in 1974 (16.3 compared to 14.8 last year).

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

Of course one of the big questions is how do we compare to the rest of the developed world, where gun ownership is far more rare?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-01-30/how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-world-on-guns

But the mass shootings are up. We no longer teach our children to handle failure.

 

[WyoDawg307]

Until the 60s you could order guns from Sears and other retailers through the mail. Guns were not even serialized. Guns were everywhere. Kids would bring them in their cars to school and go hunting after school. Something must have changed. What could it be? The lazy answer is, “There were millions of guns in the 60s, now there are more so it must be caused by the increased number of guns.” It’s a completely idiotic theory espoused by those without the courage to define the real roots of the problem, of which there are many. One is video games which teach kids from birth that the answer to any problem or conflict is to pull the trigger. The most obvious cause is a huge increase in savagery in our culture. The reasons for that are also obvious, but complicated and taboo to discuss. Another cause is the expansion of the old mafia concept of “made”, whereby one gains status and respect by shooting fellow man. There are dozens of causes and it is anything but uncomplicated.

True story - I went to Parkview HS (Lilburn) back in the early '80's. When I was in middle school (next door at the time), the HS actually had a gym class that did clay target shooting behind the athletic fields. Sadly it was no longer being offered when I reached the 9th grade. Yet, nobody every got injured or shot while doing so.

That is so long ago it may as well have been the "Leave it to Beaver" era.

 

[WyoDawg307]

But the mass shootings are up. We no longer teach our children to handle failure.

And something like 1/3 of teens are medicated on SSRI's. Until last week I have never heard a politician even reference this before. I take it Gaetz doesn't take pharma money.

“We are the most drugged-up generation in all of human history — and these drugs are being handed out like candy, not behind some Walmart, or on some street corner, but by Big Pharma,” Gaetz continued.

“And Big Pharma knows there are a lot of side effects to these drugs that they push that can cause psychosis, and even make feelings of suicide and depression and violence all the more acute.”

https://www.tampafp.com/matt-gaetz-big-pharma-mass-shootings/

 

[Eastmandawg]

No racial angle here, so this story will disappear. Just as tragic, just no hustling and swindling for the race hustlers.

Sadly, for some that’s the case……and sadly for some, they don’t have the ability to see through all the BS.

 

[PotimusWillie]

So now we got two instances of young people being shot (one killed) by elderly men who both were around during the 60s. So what’s their excuse?

Mentally ill. That has been around since God emptied the Garden.

Your racial and progressive slant doesn’t work all the time. Cain killed Able over Jealousy. Same sex, race, family.

Are you looking for an excuse for the fall of man?

Oh, and Cain didn’t have a gun.

 

[deadduckdawg]

No question the country started to change in the 1960's when a serious gun violence issue began to develop. The highest gun deaths in this country per 100k people was actually in 1974 (16.3 compared to 14.8 last year).

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

Of course one of the big questions is how do we compare to the rest of the developed world, where gun ownership is far more rare?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-01-30/how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-world-on-guns

There is another factor to consider in your superficial analysis: Who commits the gun crimes? In Africa, guns are not so widespread, so they use machetes, and records are barely kept. In Europe and Asia, blacks have been underrepresented but are increasing in some countries along with violent crime. You should study Table 43 keeping in mind relative percentages of the population.

If you’re unwilling to accurately identify the cause of the problem you will never solve it.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

Then, by checking other FBI tables you will find that 7% of our population is committing a huge percent of the murders. At that point you will have identified an actual cause and a realistic discussion of solutions can begin.

 

[nice marmot]

There is another factor to consider in your superficial analysis: Who commits the gun crimes? In Africa, guns are not so widespread, so they use machetes, and records are barely kept. In Europe and Asia, blacks have been underrepresented but are increasing in some countries along with violent crime. You should study Table 43 keeping in mind relative percentages of the population.

If you’re unwilling to accurately identify the cause of the problem you will never solve it.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

Then, by checking other FBI tables you will find that 7% of our population is committing a huge percent of the murders. At that point you will have identified an actual cause and a realistic discussion of solutions can begin.

this is not thinly-veiled at all.

 

[deadduckdawg]

And once you have identified one of the causes of gun violence, you can begin considering ameliorating solutions. For instance, one which might be considered would be gun registration programs in cities and counties with ultra-high gun violence rates, along with arrest, rapid trials, and prescribed harsh sentences for unregistered possession. Judges should have zero sentencing discretion.

Of course liberals and gun nuts would whine and scream, becrying such measures as racist and anti 2A rights, respectively.

And I am a lifelong gun collector and frequent target shooter, but I am in favor of strict laws when they might do some good as solutions to problems you have accurately identified. I am strictly opposed to national registration because 80-90% of the country doesn’t need it and I will never underestimate the desire of democrats to chip away at freedoms until they eliminate them all.

 

[deadduckdawg]

this is not thinly-veiled at all.

It was not meant to be. Keep flailing your arms at a problem you only think you understand and avoiding talk about actual crime statistics because you’re petrified it crosses the racist line.

 

[PotimusWillie]

this is not thinly-veiled at all.

If we provided for our own, we wouldn’t be killing each other.

You can’t degrade life, make economic strife a God, and expect life to uphold.

Or we can just blame guns. Definitely easier to do than take responsibility for our generations. It would demand sacrifice and commitment.

Much easier to just demand stuff from the government and pull others down with us.

 

[nice marmot]

It was not meant to be. Keep flailing your arms at a problem you only think you understand and avoiding talk about actual crime statistics because you’re petrified it crosses the racist line.

you might look at a range of statistics, to include statistics other than the subset that confirms your views.

 

[Pecanman]

Ah yes, those damn guns did it again, it’s never the dumbass that pulls the trigger! Unfortunately, you can’t police stupidity.

 

[deadduckdawg]

you might look at a range of statistics, to include statistics other than the subset that confirms your views.

I have repeated that there are many causes and it is complicated. An obvious subset of murders in Chicago is black murders in Chicago. Does hearing that cut you to your progressive heart? Look, I don’t GAS whether you and others can bear talking about it or not. If you can’t discuss actual crime statistics then there will be no attempts at a solution and the killing will go on. The choice belongs to you liberals. You control the show in many murder-plagued areas.

 

[CocoDawg]

I have repeated that there are many causes and it is complicated. An obvious subset of murders in Chicago is black murders in Chicago. Does hearing that cut you to your progressive heart? Look, I don’t GAS whether you and others can bear talking about it or not. If you can’t discuss actual crime statistics then there will be no attempts at a solution and the killing will go on. The choice belongs to you liberals. You control the show in many murder-plagued areas.

But you don’t want to discuss the white crime statistics. Why is that?

 

[nice marmot]

I have repeated that there are many causes and it is complicated. An obvious subset of murders in Chicago is black murders in Chicago. Does hearing that cut you to your progressive heart? Look, I don’t GAS whether you and others can bear talking about it or not. If you can’t discuss actual crime statistics then there will be no attempts at a solution and the killing will go on. The choice belongs to you liberals. You control the show in many murder-plagued areas.

again, you are blinded by race, or you would find statistics that suggest that the key driver of high murder rates in the "murder-plagued areas" you fear is more likely - "poverty"

I am not going to engage with you on this further, for obvious reasons. but suffice to say I acknowledge that you are open to the idea of restrictions, that you acknowledge that it is more complicated than "Blacks shooting each other," and that there are many causes. Finally, I would note that in those municipalities there are more and different solutions being applied - everything from Shot Spotter to gun buybacks etc...

 

[deadduckdawg]

But you don’t want to discuss the white crime statistics. Why is that?

Why would you say that? I’m happy to discuss them.