Ideally our congress would do their job but I have long given up on that. EO is an easy way to stop this disaster but Biden doesn't want to. He wants to look like he is doing something to slow the flow while keeping the border open. It's all about the poles.
If we had a secure border, with more funding, and better way to adjudicate asylum seekers they wouldn't have to go the black market route of hiring Coyotes.
A 5th grader would tell you that allowing up to 5000 people per day is not a good plan. Fixing the asylum rules would be a good start but not while leaving the border open. Again, if you can magically shut the border down once 5000 have come through you can shut it down with 0 coming through. Asylum seekers can wait in Mexico and we can work to speed up the process. Also, this shutting down after 5000 is really up to Biden. Who's to say after getting this deal he will actually close it down. He doesn't have a good history of enforcing the current laws.
I would be interested in reading @Zonadog 's opinion here > specifically on the parts touching the border/immigration vs the totality of the bill.
So when Biden is reelected you're ok with him unilaterally doing EOs to side step Congress?
He will do it whether I like it or not. What we are talking about in this situation is a stop gap plan to shut the border down. Both sides say they want this but in truth, they do not. Biden has undone Trumps EOs and signed plenty of his own. Not sure what your hang-up is here. If you want the border mostly shut down EOs are the only answer. Congress does not have the will to do it.
Congress HAD the will but then Trump sabotaged it...this is now on the GOP and their "Do Nothing" Congress
I am done arguing this point. The deal was a POS. Biden opened the border day 1 and as poles start to look bad for him he works out a deal with all of the anti Trump republicans to save his arse. It was a crap deal and anyone on the right that voted for it should be primaried!
Don't argue with me, argue with the Boarder Patrol Union Chief:
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That's not what the bill says.
His first line is "we just need the president to enforce the law, but absent that... Basically he thinks this will force Biden to enforce the laws but there is nothing forcing now so how will that change? It is still pure crap.Don't argue with me, argue with the Boarder Patrol Union Chief:
"And I fully support what he’s going to do on the border. But this bill transcends administrations. This will go beyond Biden. It will go beyond Trump. It will go beyond the next president. So I’m looking at this from the standpoint of we need something that is going to continue to go past and not just executive orders. What he’s going to do is going to be amazing. What he did was amazing. But we need bills that are going to last past President Trump."
Border Patrol Union Chief Urges Congress to Pass Border Bill Despite GOP’s ‘Political Purposes’ In Opposing It
Notably, the Border Patrol Union led by Judd endorsed Trump in both 2016 and 2020.
The House passed a Border Bill last May & the Senate took no action.
That doesnt make the point you think it does, imo. It certainly could have been, in the process between the Senate & House. The Senate took no action...which was a Democrat decision. But, it clearly wasn't an election-year issue in May & it only dealt with border security, instead if including unrelated things like Ukraine, Israel, or Taiwan funding.
oh he wants to close it now lol
I'm pretty sure the majority wants this bill. That's why do-nothing Mike Johnson won't let it come to the floor of the house.
Did the GOP bill have any Dem support or input? I'm confused are you making the point that a bill crafted by only one party is better than a bipartisan bill? You know as well as I do that legislation crafted only by one side never has a chance of passing. I think it's a bit cynical to think otherwise.
It takes two to tango, as they say. There was zero D interest in working this issue last May. There is certainly bipartisan support in the Senate from at least Fetterman & Senema to address this issue from the House Bill.
Furthermore, you slamming Republicans for trying to work with Democrats on a bill (even if it fails) hardly relieves House Democrats of criticism for refusing to work, at all, on this issue.
Yes had it come from the House as a bipartisan bill and then gone over to the Senate I agree. But an extreme bill crafted by one side has no chance of the necessary changes being made to make the legislation more palatable or bipartisan to both parties. The House could have invited the Dems to the table like the Senate but they didn't. This just adds more evidence that only one party is actually serious about governance.
Why did the House GOP not bring Dems into the negotiations like the Senate? If the negotiations are one-sided why would the Dems participate? You have the GOP bending the knee to Trump for political reasons...which he fully admits to and others. That's not the flex you and others think it is
"Extreme"? Have you read any non-talking points about it?
You said "do nothing". I don't know why D's weren't interested it in May? I can be cynical, but there is a big difference between "do nothing" and another party refusing to work AT ALL, unless they hold the power.
I'm sorry were you talking about the 2023 GOP led House here? Ok, Maybe not "do nothing" but how about "do nothing to make American lives better". It's a bit wordy but more accurate and catchy I think.
I reject your premise. There were major issues w/ a number of things. Example: Obama's DHS said 1k a day was a "crisis", but we're now normalizing under 5k? That's ridiculous.
Stay on subject. But also, less legislation isn't always a bad thing.
I'll also say/agree that much if that was self-inflicted, between the new Speaker votes. Also, the shutdown discussions (which happen way too much) don't help.
I'm sorry I thought you rejected my premise earlier in this thread that the GOP-led House was "do nothing" I was just pointing out how you were wrong...right on point
So you have been screaming to close the border The last 3-1/2 years? I know better, your lord and savior is in trouble and now you are reacting , just as the media tells you to do!
