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USA sure seems hell-bent on entering WW3 by any means necessary

I don’t think Putin would have pulled this if Trump was still in charge. He knows the US is now run by pussies and men who claim to be women! We could not get much weaker than we are at this point in time. Expect more world issues to arise, due to a very weak an ineffective US.
I heard a good analogy the other day. When the male lion is bloody, limping, and weak after a fight all the jackals, hyenas, other rival lions, and vultures take notice.

America is very weak perception-wise right now because of leadership, culture war, political division, and terrible supply conditions. The jackals and hyenas are doing stuff they wouldn't if the lion was at full strength and hungry.

The issues are much deeper than just the president but our current leadership is very weak
 
I heard a good analogy the other day. When the male lion is bloody, limping, and weak after a fight all the jackals, hyenas, other rival lions, and vultures take notice.

America is very weak perception-wise right now because of leadership, culture war, political division, and terrible supply conditions. The jackals and hyenas are doing stuff they wouldn't if the lion was at full strength and hungry.

The issues are much deeper than just the president but our current leadership is very weak
I agree, but the point is we are weak because the dems are making us weak. This is by their design.
Biden and his left are hell bent to destroy the American strength we used to be known for.
Trump created a much stronger US and the world took notice and was for the most part calmer under his leadership.
 
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I agree, but the point is we are weak because the dems are making us weak. This is by their design.
Biden and his left are hell bent to destroy the American strength we used to be known for.
Trump created a much stronger US and the world took notice and was for the most part calmer under his leadership.
Wonder if he is doing this so he can declare martial law and he can be president without running for office.
 
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I don’t think Putin would have pulled this if Trump was still in charge. He knows the US is now run by pussies and men who claim to be women! We could not get much weaker than we are at this point in time. Expect more world issues to arise, due to a very weak an ineffective US.
“Crazy like a fox”…..
 
I agree, but the point is we are weak because the dems are making us weak. This is by their design.
Biden and his left are hell bent to destroy the American strength we used to be known for.
Trump created a much stronger US and the world took notice and was for the most part calmer under his leadership.
Let's not pretend the GWOT didn't weaken our military, our tactics for conventional warfare, morale, and our people's stomach for any conflict. Pubs and Dems are trash and both responsible for where we are but I agree. Trump was a strong force at president. Biden is awful
 
Let's not pretend the GWOT didn't weaken our military, our tactics for conventional warfare, morale, and our people's stomach for any conflict. Pubs and Dems are trash and both responsible for where we are but I agree. Trump was a strong force at president. Biden is awful
The GWOT was also a cause for stripping of some of our constitutional freedoms under the auspice of homeland security! We have been on the slow March to erosion of our freedoms since the early 1960’s if not sooner.
 
I heard a good analogy the other day. When the male lion is bloody, limping, and weak after a fight all the jackals, hyenas, other rival lions, and vultures take notice.

America is very weak perception-wise right now because of leadership, culture war, political division, and terrible supply conditions. The jackals and hyenas are doing stuff they wouldn't if the lion was at full strength and hungry.

The issues are much deeper than just the president but our current leadership is very weak
Culture war and political division, definitely. Leadership, hardly. Biden has united Europe, Japan and SE Asia against Russia, and now China, in the war against Ukraine. If anything, it’s the Republicans and their isolationist dogma that is to blame for perception amongst our allies.

If you are a foreign ally, do you perceive America to be the great power knowing if MTG, Gaetz and others were in power that they would retreat from our allies in a second? The world is a big place with big problems and being an anti-globalist rather than the world power doesn’t make for a stronger America.
 
Culture war and political division, definitely. Leadership, hardly. Biden has united Europe, Japan and SE Asia against Russia, and now China, in the war against Ukraine. If anything, it’s the Republicans and their isolationist dogma that is to blame for perception amongst our allies.

If you are a foreign ally, do you perceive America to be the great power knowing if MTG, Gaetz and others were in power that they would retreat from our allies in a second? The world is a big place with big problems and being an anti-globalist rather than the world power doesn’t make for a stronger America.
Wow! From your perspective, the USA has never been stronger. We need more like Buttigieg, the secretary of health, secretary of energy (well that brave individual got fired) , press secretary, etc. a collection of weak ineffective losers running us into the ground. But from your perspective, we are stronger. Wow! Ukraine is all money laundering, Biden does not care for the people of the US or Ukraine. He loves his money though. If he still even understands what’s going on.
 
Culture war and political division, definitely. Leadership, hardly. Biden has united Europe, Japan and SE Asia against Russia, and now China, in the war against Ukraine. If anything, it’s the Republicans and their isolationist dogma that is to blame for perception amongst our allies.

If you are a foreign ally, do you perceive America to be the great power knowing if MTG, Gaetz and others were in power that they would retreat from our allies in a second? The world is a big place with big problems and being an anti-globalist rather than the world power doesn’t make for a stronger America.
Damn this globalist bull that pos needs to look after the US first. He doesn’t give a damn about the working class people in this country yet he will try to destroy the working class so he can look great to the world. He is doing more for Ukraine than he is for the US.
 
Wow! From your perspective, the USA has never been stronger. We need more like Buttigieg, the secretary of health, secretary of energy (well that brave individual got fired) , press secretary, etc. a collection of weak ineffective losers running us into the ground. But from your perspective, we are stronger. Wow! Ukraine is all money laundering, Biden does not care for the people of the US or Ukraine. He loves his money though. If he still even understands what’s going on.
Yeah, Buttigeg can kick rocks
 
Culture war and political division, definitely. Leadership, hardly. Biden has united Europe, Japan and SE Asia against Russia, and now China, in the war against Ukraine. If anything, it’s the Republicans and their isolationist dogma that is to blame for perception amongst our allies.

If you are a foreign ally, do you perceive America to be the great power knowing if MTG, Gaetz and others were in power that they would retreat from our allies in a second? The world is a big place with big problems and being an anti-globalist rather than the world power doesn’t make for a stronger America.
Right now he needs to focus on uniting people here. Not our Allies. And not people that would turn on us in a second. And not walking headfirst into more conflict. A foreign ally with a strong America is more likely to follow. Or get behind us. Weakness is what makes people jump ship. Right now biden is as weak as it gets. Anericans and america get worse by the day while he is more worried about other places. This is going to get worse before he leaves office because our enemies smell blood.
 
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Right now he needs to focus on uniting people here. Not our Allies. And not people that would turn on us in a second. And not walking headfirst into more conflict. A foreign ally with a strong America is more likely to follow. Or get behind us. Weakness is what makes people jump ship. Right now biden is as weak as it gets. Anericans and america gets worse by the day while he is more worried about other places. This is going to get worse before he leaves office because our enemies smell blood.
I think Biden is a proxy leader. He can’t even tie his own shoes, much less project power or decisions to lead our nation. I think he is being controlled like a puppet.
It’s really sad to watch them parading an old senile man around, like he is really in charge.
 
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Exactly. We already looked the other way in Crimea and backed down when he interfered in Syria. Then he did something bolder. He won’t stop until someone stops him. One day he’d invade a country we found alarming and suddenly people would wonder why he wasn’t stopped earlier. Iraq and Afghanistan gave us war fatigue. We made mistakes but the answer isn’t to retreat into ourselves.
You sound like someone who never spent a day in the military. Zelensky will be glad to issue you a rifle if you show up there. We’re funding a proxy war with Russia with no end game. Heck even China is trying to help negotiate a cease fire. Instead we send billions in military hardware to continue a war with no strategy to win. Thousands needlessly dying on both sides. But glad you mentioned Syria. Barrack and Hillary thought they could force out the dictator there by helping fund a civil war. Only managed to destroy the country and create a humanitarian crisis in Western Europe. Then helped force out the previous President of Ukraine. How’s that working? At some point Democrats and the Bush family need to stop trying to force out leaders they don’t like to establish governments in order to line their own pockets. Both parties have individuals with family members with financial interests in Ukraine. BTW, NATO doesn’t need to be expanded it needs to be dissolved. Biden has shown he doesn’t care that you‘re not a NATO member, he’ll send billions of taxpayer paid aid and military equipment anyway.
 
Ukraine is not our ally and never has been. Yet even after promising only defensive weapons to Ukraine, we're sending them tanks and while already being the single biggest funder of money to the Russian/Ukraine border conflict (even more than Russia) how many more billions of dollars are we giving them now?

If WW3 does officially commence, historians will look back and say that WW3 has already started and America was not only a huge reason it started but also already part of the war.

there will be no winners in WW3.

We & Russia spent 70+ years trying to avoid direct conflict between us. Now we are like F it, let's roll when Americans don't have the resources, supply chains, training for conventional warfare, or resolve to win a major world war
Do you believe Ronald Reagan would have handled this any differently?

If so, how?

(And Russian threats of nuclear weapons are empty bluffs designed to get folks spun up in the West and have exactly these kinds of conversations)
 
I don’t think Putin would have pulled this if Trump was still in charge. He knows the US is now run by pussies and men who claim to be women! We could not get much weaker than we are at this point in time. Expect more world issues to arise, due to a very weak an ineffective US.
And yet you think the answer to this problem (Putins of the world running over other countries because of weak US leadership) is to be weak and let Putin just gobble up whatever he wants?

This confuses me...
 
Do you believe Ronald Reagan would have handled this any differently?

If so, how?

(And Russian threats of nuclear weapons are empty bluffs designed to get folks spun up in the West and have exactly these kinds of conversations)
No idea how he would he handle it. If I could summon his ghost and brief him on all the classified and unclassified info, then I'd let you know

You know Putin's threats are hollow how?
 
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Ukraine has been an ally since 1991 when the Soviet Union broke up. They are one of the only democratic countries in the region and a major check on Russian aggression, considering how bad this war has gone for Russia, with estimates of 200k+ casualities on the Russian side.

And first of all, Russia launched an unprovoked invasion of its neighbor and its soldiers have committed war crimes, deportation of children and too many rapes and executions of Ukraine's citizens to count. Also, it’s important to realize that the U.S. is not a combatant. We have provided the Ukrainians with weapons, training, and financial aid, but we have not sent our forces to do any of the fighting. The Ukrainians themselves are deeply committed to pushing Russia out of their territory. To suggest that the U.S. hold back from liberating these territories is to suggest that the U.S. abandon those innocent people to their horrific fate.

But looking at the changes in Russia’s domestic policy and society since the war began, it’s clear that Putin is reorienting his entire country toward a protracted confrontation with the West. That means that no matter how the Ukraine War resolves, there is going to be a long-term, Cold War style confrontation with Russia — possibly even after Putin is out of power, depending on who succeeds him. Every Russian tank and missile launcher that the Ukrainians destroy, therefore, weakens Russia’s hand in this eventual confrontation. The U.S. and Europe are achieving the destruction of their enemy’s military without taking a single casualty of their own. All they’re sending is spare equipment and money. And not even that much money, really — The Korean War, in its final year, cost about 14% of America’s entire GDP; the Ukraine War is costing 0.17%.

And finally, stopping Russia is extremely helpful for stopping China. If China sees Russia successfully conquer a quarter of Ukraine, it will be emboldened to attack Taiwan. If China’s leaders see a Ukrainian defeat come after U.S. pressure forced the country to concede, it will raise serious questions about America’s resolve in defending the liberal international order.

So a successful outcome in the Ukraine War — meaning Ukraine driving Russia out of all the territory it has seized since 2022 — will do much more than simply save a bunch of Ukrainian lives. It has the potential to short-circuit the clash of liberal vs. authoritarian great powers that was shaping up just a few months ago.

Protecting the innocent people of Ukraine from atrocity is important. Enforcing the norm of fixed international borders is important. Weakening Putin’s Russia is important. But if there’s even a small chance of preventing World War 3, I think that’s easily worth a few tens of billions of dollars.
So we're sacrificing Ukraine.
 
And yet you think the answer to this problem (Putins of the world running over other countries because of weak US leadership) is to be weak and let Putin just gobble up whatever he wants?

This confuses me...
No. Biden lifted the sanctions that prevented Putin from selling national gas to the European nations. When he could not sell to them , he could not afford to invade Ukraine or any other nation. Biden aided him and now is making just weak by spending money on the most corrupt nation existing today. Much of The money we are sending is not going to war effort. We are funding pensions for the Ukrainian politicians and laundering money for our crooked politicians as well. The US funded bio weapons labs and the child sex trafficking operations have been exposed as well. The citizens of Ukraine are the victims. We are prolonging and escalating this war. Where are all the images of war to be seen? Why don’t we see these scenes of Warcraft, like we have any other conflict we are so involved in? Wake up and question the left.
 
Biden lifted the sanctions that prevented Putin from selling national gas to the European nations. When he could not sell to them , he could not afford to invade Ukraine or any other nation.
A couple logical issues with your argument here. Biden lifted sanctions on NordStream 2 in 2021, which still has never come online or sent any natural gas to Europe and recently declared bankruptcy...

The US funded bio weapons labs and the child sex trafficking operations have been exposed as well.
Man, conservatives sure do sound like the same talking heads on Russian State TV...

 
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A couple logical issues with your argument here. Biden lifted sanctions on NordStream 2 in 2021, which still has never come online or sent any natural gas to Europe and recently declared bankruptcy...


Man, conservatives sure do sound like the same talking heads on Russian State TV...

He also killed the restrictions on the Nordstrom pipeline.
Why would biden have blown up a defunct pipeline if it were not functioning?
 
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He also killed the restrictions on the Nordstrom pipeline.
Why would biden have blown up a defunct pipeline if it were not functioning?
I know! It's like your point never made any sense in the first place! Nord Stream 2 was never certified by Germany and never delivered any gas!
 
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Not my fight but never cite NPR as a source for fair information
I apologize that you're offended by the source of the article about how Tucker Carlson, Qanon and the right continue to parrot talking points from Russian state media.


 
Exactly. We already looked the other way in Crimea and backed down when he interfered in Syria. Then he did something bolder. He won’t stop until someone stops him. One day he’d invade a country we found alarming and suddenly people would wonder why he wasn’t stopped earlier. Iraq and Afghanistan gave us war fatigue. We made mistakes but the answer isn’t to retreat into ourselves.
If you wanted one person other than Putin to take most of the blame for this current situation, it is Barack Obama and Joe Biden for letting them take Crimea with only rudimentary sanctions.
 
He also killed the restrictions on the Nordstrom pipeline.
Why would biden have blown up a defunct pipeline if it were not functioning?
He killed the restrictions on the working , functioning gas line( better?) that enabled Russia to raise the money to invade corrupt Ukraine. Trump
Had Russia hurting for cash flow( not really how one would treat a friend) Biden is for any action that will weaken the US , and strengthen our enemies. It’s not really difficult to figure.
 
He killed the restrictions on the working , functioning gas line( better?) that enabled Russia to raise the money to invade corrupt Ukraine. Trump
Had Russia hurting for cash flow( not really how one would treat a friend) Biden is for any action that will weaken the US , and strengthen our enemies. It’s not really difficult to figure.
How did Russia sell gas and make money from a pipeline that has never delivered any gas?

And I wouldn’t exactly say Trump did anything that hurt the Russian economy, but Obama sure did when Putin annexed Crimea in 2014

 
How did Russia sell gas and make money from a pipeline that has never delivered any gas?

And I wouldn’t exactly say Trump did anything that hurt the Russian economy, but Obama sure did when Putin annexed Crimea in 2014

How did Russia sell gas and make money from a pipeline that has never delivered any gas?

And I wouldn’t exactly say Trump did anything that hurt the Russian economy, but Obama sure did when Putin annexed Crimea in 2014

Are you forgetting when American special forces wiped out 2-300 Russian mercenaries in Syria? The Russians admitted they got their asses Handed to them. In case you were not aware Trump also levied sanctions on Russia and did not allow it to send natural gas through its pipe line to europe
 
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Are you forgetting when American special forces wiped out 2-300 Russian mercenaries in Syria? The Russians admitted they got their asses Handed to them. In case you were not aware Trump also levied sanctions on Russia and did not allow it to send natural gas through its pipe line to europe
Man, you don’t have the facts on anything do you? How would Trump have had any bearing on whether natural gas went through Nord Stream 2, when it wasn’t finished until 8 months after he left office? And Germany never certified it, so again, no gas has ever been delivered through NS2.
 
No idea how he would he handle it. If I could summon his ghost and brief him on all the classified and unclassified info, then I'd let you know

You know Putin's threats are hollow how?
1. I think you are avoiding the Reagan question. Reagan's principles and actions were well known. Do you think Reagan would agree with Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene on Ukraine?

2. I know nuclear threats are hollow because Putin and his inner circle do not want to be nuked themselves. Mutual Assured Destruction. It worked for decades during the Cold War and does now.

The Chinese also will never allow Putin to use any device like that.

And ultimately Putin has been spouting off about nuclear weapons since the day of the invasion. After a year of flailing around in Ukraine hasn't happened yet? Because it won't.
 
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If you wanted one person other than Putin to take most of the blame for this current situation, it is Barack Obama and Joe Biden for letting them take Crimea with only rudimentary sanctions.
And yet the answer to that is to demand that Biden let Putin take the rest of Ukraine?

How does that make sense?

I agree by the way that Obama doing nothing to oppose Russia seizing Crimea and Donbass very much helped cause this.
 
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1. I think you are avoiding the Reagan question. Reagan's principles and actions were well known. Do you think Reagan would agree with Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene on Ukraine?

2. I know nuclear threats are hollow because Putin and his inner circle do not want to be nuked themselves. Mutual Assured Destruction. It worked for decades during the Cold War and does now.

The Chinese also will never allow Putin to use any device like that.

And ultimately Putin has been spouting off about nuclear weapons since the day of the invasion. After a year of flailing around in Ukraine hasn't happened yet? Because it won't.
Re: Reagan situation: I don't know how he would have gone. My knowledge of Reagan and his term is limited.

Anything aside from victory in Ukraine makes Putin look weak to his country. something he will not tolerate . I do believe he'd rather be dead than live the rest of his days a mockery by his his people. Nothing to lose mentality. I do believe his reputation to his country and legacy is more important to him than his people's fate. He'd rather have no legacy because theirs no society left than a poor one.

He does not want a Afghanistan/Russian war loss to his name

China won't allow Putin to launch a nuke? Unless Russians nuclear football wiring is fully controlled by Chinese servers, what are they going to do to stop the pushing of a button. "no Putin, don't push that button" from 2500 miles away. That's like saying england is going stop Biden from launching a nuke. If Putin is going to launch the anything, no one will stop him
 
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Man, you don’t have the facts on anything do you? How would Trump have had any bearing on whether natural gas went through Nord Stream 2, when it wasn’t finished until 8 months after he left office? And Germany never certified it, so again, no gas has ever been delivered through NS2.
He applied sanctions so it would not allow cash flow for the Russian state and Biden helped a communist out with his cancelling of those sanctions. I get your point that it did not take effect due to the line not being functionally complete. The point is Trump was not buddy buddy with putin. He inflicted hardship on them , like an American president should do when warranted.
 
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And yet the answer to that is to demand that Biden let Putin take the rest of Ukraine?

How does that make sense?

I agree by the way that Obama doing nothing to oppose Russia seizing Crimea and Donbass very much helped cause this.
It doesn't make sense. Reagan would not stand down and let this happen. I don't know what's happened to the Republican party. If you're going to let Russia take over Ukraine you might as well roll out the red carpet and invite China to take over Taiwan. Then, does anyone really believe Putin would stop at Ukraine with our new isolationist policy?

Right now Russias military is being exposed as weak and incompetent. As well as being significantly degraded. All this without a single US soldier on the ground. How is this bad?
 
He applied sanctions so it would not allow cash flow for the Russian state and Biden helped a communist out with his cancelling of those sanctions. I get your point that it did not take effect due to the line not being functionally complete. The point is Trump was not buddy buddy with putin. He inflicted hardship on them , like an American president should do when warranted.
Again, just making up stuff. Trump certainly sanctioned Russians, Russian companies and other entities, but all together they had little effect on the cash flow of the Russian government, if at all. However, Biden has continued all of the previous sanctions, as well as employed much more severe ones, like cutting off Russia from SWIFT, imposing a price cap on Russian oil and freezing all Russian central bank reserves in the West. And all of this while convincing Europe to forego Russian gas and building a mostly global coalition to enforce the sanctions. To suggest he hasn't helped put the screws to Russia is ridiculous.
 
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Again, just making up stuff. Trump certainly sanctioned Russians, Russian companies and other entities, but all together they had little effect on the cash flow of the Russian government, if at all. However, Biden has continued all of the previous sanctions, as well as employed much more severe ones, like cutting off Russia from SWIFT, imposing a price cap on Russian oil and freezing all Russian central bank reserves in the West. And all of this while convincing Europe to forego Russian gas and building a mostly global coalition to enforce the sanctions. To suggest he hasn't helped put the screws to Russia is ridiculous.
Biden is only protecting his crime syndicate in Ukraine. You libs will never admit the truth even as your lives are ruined by your masters in DC.
 
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Biden is only protecting his crime syndicate in Ukraine. You libs will never admit the truth even as your lives are ruined by your masters in DC.
If certain Americans didn’t have significant financial interests in Ukraine we wouldn’t be funding a war there. But this all goes back to when Obama was President and Joe was supposed to be his point man there. Another example of the U.S. behind regime change and then pushing the idea of another NATO member on Russia’s border.
 
If certain Americans didn’t have significant financial interests in Ukraine we wouldn’t be funding a war there. But this all goes back to when Obama was President and Joe was supposed to be his point man there. Another example of the U.S. behind regime change and then pushing the idea of another NATO member on Russia’s border.
It is also one of the most corrupt nations In existence today. Child sex trafficking, bio weapons labs, money laundering, etc. it’s a proverbial Disney Land for Democrat politicians from the US. I’m sure there are some pubs in the mix as well.
 
It doesn't make sense. Reagan would not stand down and let this happen. I don't know what's happened to the Republican party. If you're going to let Russia take over Ukraine you might as well roll out the red carpet and invite China to take over Taiwan. Then, does anyone really believe Putin would stop at Ukraine with our new isolationist policy?

Right now Russias military is being exposed as weak and incompetent. As well as being significantly degraded. All this without a single US soldier on the ground. How is this bad?
It’s not bad if you don’t care about the thousands needlessly dying on both sides. Has the Biden administration made any real attempts to try to broker some kind of settlement? We can send a trillion dollars to Ukraine but they aren’t going to defeat Russia since Biden wisely opposes Ukraine getting fighter jets. Which might just escalate things totally out of control. So far Biden has sent 105 billion in taxpayer money for military equipment and aid and the cartels are running wild on our own southern border. Misplaced priorities. We’re 31 trillion in debt. But you guys seem ready for direct U.S. involvement and who knows what might happen in that scenario.
 
It doesn't make sense. Reagan would not stand down and let this happen. I don't know what's happened to the Republican party. If you're going to let Russia take over Ukraine you might as well roll out the red carpet and invite China to take over Taiwan. Then, does anyone really believe Putin would stop at Ukraine with our new isolationist policy?

Right now Russias military is being exposed as weak and incompetent. As well as being significantly degraded. All this without a single US soldier on the ground. How is this bad?
Republican Party? Heck this is Biden and Obama’s war. They orchestrated the events which have led up to this point. The Democrats seem eager to fund it even when we’re 31 trillion in debt. Never realized what war mongers these liberals were. But somebody gets rich with all the blood money. Certain U.S. money interests are already trying to figure ways to cash in to rebuild Ukraine once the shooting stops. Republicans aren’t in charge of anything, but it is worth noting Putin didn’t invade Ukraine when Trump was in office.
 
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