“You should have never started it “

[dawgfood0612]

Direct quote from the Orange Jesus to Zelensky about the war.

I thought Russia invaded Ukraine, not vice versa.

Is Vlad writing Trump’s speeches now or what?

 

[willdup]

Is Vlad writing Trump’s speeches now or what?

Yes.

 

[zingerdawg]

'You could have made a deal': Trump blames Ukraine after US-Russia talks - BBC News

The US president dismissed concerns Ukraine was being left out of peace talks in Saudi Arabia - as he suggested Ukraine was to blame for Russia's invasion.

www.bbc.com

Just in case someone wants to read an article and not believe more fear porn. Like vlad is writing speeches. Jesus man. He suggested that they could have made a deal. And this could have been stopped a long time ago with less death, and less on the table the Ukraine may have to give up. The liberal spin machine is in high gear.

 

[dawgfood0612]

'You could have made a deal': Trump blames Ukraine after US-Russia talks - BBC News

The US president dismissed concerns Ukraine was being left out of peace talks in Saudi Arabia - as he suggested Ukraine was to blame for Russia's invasion.

www.bbc.com

Just in case someone wants to read an article and not believe more fear porn. Like vlad is writing speeches. Jesus man. He suggested that they could have made a deal. And this could have been stopped a long time ago with less death, and less on the table the Ukraine may have to give up. The liberal spin machine is in high gear.

He did say you should have made a deal.

He also said you should have never started it.

You conveniently left that part out.

I don’t believe Vlad is writing Trump’s speeches, but Trump mirrored Russian talking points. Wonder why?

 

[willdup]

'You could have made a deal': Trump blames Ukraine after US-Russia talks - BBC News

The US president dismissed concerns Ukraine was being left out of peace talks in Saudi Arabia - as he suggested Ukraine was to blame for Russia's invasion.

www.bbc.com

Just in case someone wants to read an article and not believe more fear porn. Like vlad is writing speeches. Jesus man. He suggested that they could have made a deal. And this could have been stopped a long time ago with less death, and less on the table the Ukraine may have to give up.

Your article doesn’t help your argument.

It quotes Trump saying that Ukraine was responsible for the war and Ukraine was responsible for not ending it, even though it was Russia who invaded Ukraine and Russia is primarily responsible for the “barbarism” Trump references.

Today, Trump also directly parroted the Russian propaganda that Zelensky only has a 4% approval rating. That’s a completely invented number that’s been used by Russian media for a while. Where did Trump pick that up?

Here’s some interesting reading for you. See some similarities? The primary difference is that Trump isn’t even bothering to include our European allies in the process.

This hasn’t all happened as of today, but just keep watching.

The **Munich Agreement** of **September 30, 1938**, was a settlement between **Germany, Britain, France, and Italy**, allowing Nazi Germany to annex the **Sudetenland**, a region of **Czechoslovakia** with a significant ethnic German population. The key provisions were:

1. **Czechoslovakia Must Cede the Sudetenland** – Germany was allowed to occupy the Sudetenland beginning **October 1, 1938**, and complete the occupation by **October 10, 1938**.

2. **International Commission to Determine Further Border Adjustments** – If there were additional territorial disputes, an **international commission** (including Germany, Britain, France, Italy, and Czechoslovakia) would resolve them.

3. **No Military Action by Czechoslovakia** – The Czechoslovak government was **not allowed to resist** the German occupation, essentially forcing it to accept the terms.

4. **Protection for Ethnic Minorities** – The agreement promised (but did not enforce) protections for **non-Germans** in the newly annexed regions.

5. **Avoidance of War** – British Prime Minister **Neville Chamberlain** and French Premier **Édouard Daladier** sought to prevent a European war by appeasing Hitler.

6. **No Czech Representation** – Czechoslovakia was **not included** in the negotiations, despite being the affected country.

The Munich Agreement is widely seen as an example of **appeasement**, as it emboldened Hitler to make further territorial demands, eventually leading to **World War II** when Germany invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia in March 1939 and later attacked Poland in September 1939.

 

[KidneyStoned]

'You could have made a deal': Trump blames Ukraine after US-Russia talks - BBC News

The US president dismissed concerns Ukraine was being left out of peace talks in Saudi Arabia - as he suggested Ukraine was to blame for Russia's invasion.

www.bbc.com

Just in case someone wants to read an article and not believe more fear porn. Like vlad is writing speeches. Jesus man. He suggested that they could have made a deal. And this could have been stopped a long time ago with less death, and less on the table the Ukraine may have to give up. The liberal spin machine is in high gear.

As the OP correctly points out, Trump said the Ukraine started the war.

You are moving the goalposts to what he said about making a deal after war started.

 

[BDawg64]

Of all the unconventional tactics coming out of the White House, this is the ultimate counter to the core fundamentals of the traditional Republican Party. I don’t understand the capitulation to Putin when he was on his heels. Reagan has to be rolling over in his grave. Neville Chamberlain would be ashamed of this appeasement.

 

[zingerdawg]

As the OP correctly points out, Trump said the Ukraine started the war.

You are moving the goalposts to what he said about making a deal after war started.

Did he say the Ukraine is solely responsible for the war? No. Did he say the Ukraine started the war? No.(in what context) That is spin. (The article writer said it appeared that way)Right now I don’t blame him for actually meeting with Russia. Even sounding Russia friendly. How do you think this is going to end? With threats to Russia and public humiliation thru the media of Putin. The Ukraine won’t last another two months without our help. They aren’t going to agree to anything that isn’t agreeable to them either way. The guy is trying to negotiate the end to a war. Nevermind. It is a wasted breath. Because he is the devil. Right?

We are cutting people’s jobs here. How would it look if we continued to support a war with no winner. You don’t go and shrink the government. Pissing off many disgruntled government employees and then go waste more money on a war that accomplishes jack shit for anyone in this country.

 

[KidneyStoned]

Of all the unconventional tactics coming out of the White House, this is the ultimate counter to the core fundamentals of the traditional Republican Party. I don’t understand the capitulation to Putin when he was on his heels. Reagan has to be rolling over in his grave. Neville Chamberlain would be ashamed of this appeasement.

Rubio today agreed to explore the “incredible opportunities that exist to partner with the Russians,” both geopolitically and economically.

It’s shameful.

 

[KidneyStoned]

Did he say the Ukraine is solely responsible for the war? No. Did he say the Ukraine started the war? No. That is spin. Right now I don’t blame him for actually meeting with Russia. Even sounding Russia friendly. How do you think this is going to end? With threats to Russia and public humiliation thru the media of Putin. The Ukraine won’t last another two months without our help. They aren’t going to agree to anything that isn’t agreeable to them either way. The guy is trying to negotiate the end to a war. Nevermind. It is a wasted breath. Because he is the devil. Right?

Why not say “Russia started the war” …. that being the truth and all.

 

[zingerdawg]

Why not say “Russia started the war” …. that being the truth and all.

That is how you negotiate right. Just insult the person you want to make a deal with. They will just respond that we had no choice. The threat of the Ukraine joining nato started this war. Then you are right back where we started. Solid tactical move. He said he was going to try to end the war. Not enter into it with more resources.

 

[BDawg64]

Did he say the Ukraine started the war? No. That is spin.

He said exactly that, in the very article that you attached in this thread.

 

[zingerdawg]

He said exactly that, in the very article that you attached in this thread.

Even the article said it appeared that way. The people who wanted to continue the war were voted out. For that reason. Again, why don’t we let this play out and see what happens. I don’t like being friendly to Russia. And the Ukraine has never been an ally. We need some kind of global stability. Let see if what he does ends it. If it doesn’t, have at him. I am wary of anything the media says regarding his context. Because they are way wrong more than they are ever right. If he said it in that context I will eat crow, but they have butchered this kind of thing with him daily.

His exact quote was you should have never started IT. You could have made a deal. What is IT. He didn’t say the Ukraine started the war. That wasn’t the quote. Not trying to be an ass. Again, I just will wait for the context

 

[BDawg64]

I am wary of anything the media says regarding his context. Because they are way wrong more than they are ever right. If he said it in that context I will eat crow, but they have butchered this kind of thing with him daily.

I read his quote verbatim and I take him at his word. I made my own interpretation that he made a false statement, specifically that Ukraine started the war. This plays right into Putin’s hands at a time when Putin was diplomatically isolated. Trump may be a master broker of real estate & business dealings but he is getting schooled by Putin on the international stage. I fail to see how the US benefits. If this is some master stroke by Trump and Russia walks away with egg on their face, I’ll take that serving of crow from you.

 

[zingerdawg]

I read his quote verbatim and I take him at his word. I made my own interpretation that he made a false statement, specifically that Ukraine started the war. This plays right into Putin’s hands at a time when Putin was diplomatically isolated. Trump may be a master broker of real estate & business dealings but he is getting schooled by Putin on the international stage. I fail to see how the US benefits. If this is some master stroke by Trump and Russia walks away with egg on their face, I’ll take that serving of crow from you.

enjoyed the back and forth brother. You don’t stop this war by not playing both sides. Maybe I am wrong, but having Russia partner up with China and North Korea doesn’t seem like a great recipe for the future. For anyone. The only thing trump promised was to end the war. If he ends the war, who gives a damn how the international stage views him. They all view him as a complete wild card either way. I don’t think he really cares. I get both sides of why someone may like that and not like it. If I eat crow, just put some salt on it. All I ask. Love the avatar!

 

[55dawg]

enjoyed the back and forth brother. You don’t stop this war by not playing both sides. Maybe I am wrong, but having Russia partner up with China and North Korea doesn’t seem like a great recipe for the future. For anyone. The only thing trump promised was to end the war. If he ends the war, who gives a damn how the international stage views him. They all view him as a complete wild card either way. I don’t think he really cares. I get both sides of why someone may like that and not like it. If I eat crow, just put some salt on it. All I ask. Love the avatar!

It’s way too early for anyone to pass judgement on the negotiation tactics. Of course Trump could just follow Bidens lead and do nothing.

 

[willdup]

That is how you negotiate right. Just insult the person you want to make a deal with. They will just respond that we had no choice. The threat of the Ukraine joining nato started this war. Then you are right back where we started. Solid tactical move. He said he was going to try to end the war. Not enter into it with more resources.

Thats simply promoting Russian propaganda. The threat of Ukraine joining NATO did not start the war and validating that propaganda in no way helps negotiations. In fact, it weakens the position that Russia is the aggressor and should be treated as such.

 

[ClydeDawg]

More winning

 

[PotimusWillie]

Direct quote from the Orange Jesus to Zelensky about the war.

I thought Russia invaded Ukraine, not vice versa.

Is Vlad writing Trump’s speeches now or what?

Do I sense that you don’t like Trump?

 

[seatonsdawgs]

 

[Papapete11]

Your article doesn’t help your argument.

It quotes Trump saying that Ukraine was responsible for the war and Ukraine was responsible for not ending it, even though it was Russia who invaded Ukraine and Russia is primarily responsible for the “barbarism” Trump references.

Today, Trump also directly parroted the Russian propaganda that Zelensky only has a 4% approval rating. That’s a completely invented number that’s been used by Russian media for a while. Where did Trump pick that up?

Here’s some interesting reading for you. See some similarities? The primary difference is that Trump isn’t even bothering to include our European allies in the process.

This hasn’t all happened as of today, but just keep watching.

The **Munich Agreement** of **September 30, 1938**, was a settlement between **Germany, Britain, France, and Italy**, allowing Nazi Germany to annex the **Sudetenland**, a region of **Czechoslovakia** with a significant ethnic German population. The key provisions were:

1. **Czechoslovakia Must Cede the Sudetenland** – Germany was allowed to occupy the Sudetenland beginning **October 1, 1938**, and complete the occupation by **October 10, 1938**.

2. **International Commission to Determine Further Border Adjustments** – If there were additional territorial disputes, an **international commission** (including Germany, Britain, France, Italy, and Czechoslovakia) would resolve them.

3. **No Military Action by Czechoslovakia** – The Czechoslovak government was **not allowed to resist** the German occupation, essentially forcing it to accept the terms.

4. **Protection for Ethnic Minorities** – The agreement promised (but did not enforce) protections for **non-Germans** in the newly annexed regions.

5. **Avoidance of War** – British Prime Minister **Neville Chamberlain** and French Premier **Édouard Daladier** sought to prevent a European war by appeasing Hitler.

6. **No Czech Representation** – Czechoslovakia was **not included** in the negotiations, despite being the affected country.

The Munich Agreement is widely seen as an example of **appeasement**, as it emboldened Hitler to make further territorial demands, eventually leading to **World War II** when Germany invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia in March 1939 and later attacked Poland in September 1939.

Good to see you back. Been winning too much for you to post, but I see you still lurk.

I am just glad you still alive and kicking. Kinda miss the BS.

 

[bubbab]

Direct quote from the Orange Jesus to Zelensky about the war.

I thought Russia invaded Ukraine, not vice versa.

Is Vlad writing Trump’s speeches now or what?

Trump is the biggest liar ever in history. But he may have been forced to say this because Putin told him too. So sick for the Trump team to abandon Ukraine at this critical time and start negotiating with Russia without Ukraine at the table. And then start negotiations off by saying Ukraine cannot join NATO and Ukraine must give up territory. Ukraine has fought so hard and given up so much fighting for their survival and all the free world. (Now let's sit back and watch MAGA Trumpers try and twist these facts with their fake facts.)

 

[bubbab]

Even the article said it appeared that way. The people who wanted to continue the war were voted out. For that reason. Again, why don’t we let this play out and see what happens. I don’t like being friendly to Russia. And the Ukraine has never been an ally. We need some kind of global stability. Let see if what he does ends it. If it doesn’t, have at him. I am wary of anything the media says regarding his context. Because they are way wrong more than they are ever right. If he said it in that context I will eat crow, but they have butchered this kind of thing with him daily.

His exact quote was you should have never started IT. You could have made a deal. What is IT. He didn’t say the Ukraine started the war. That wasn’t the quote. Not trying to be an ass. Again, I just will wait for the context

"IT" could only be the "war". That was the only subject.

 

[3 Pete]

Ukraine was corrupt before the war and corrupt during it. Probably be corrupt after it.

 

[litedawg1968]

Trump is the biggest liar ever in history. But he may have been forced to say this because Putin told him too. So sick for the Trump team to abandon Ukraine at this critical time and start negotiating with Russia without Ukraine at the table. And then start negotiations off by saying Ukraine cannot join NATO and Ukraine must give up territory. Ukraine has fought so hard and given up so much fighting for their survival and all the free world. (Now let's sit back and watch MAGA Trumpers try and twist these facts with their fake facts.)

Ukraine never had a chance and should have done everything they can to avoid this. Instead they were lied to by the Biden Administration and now their country is senselessly destroyed and will never recover.

 

[litedawg1968]

Thats simply promoting Russian propaganda. The threat of Ukraine joining NATO did not start the war and validating that propaganda in no way helps negotiations. In fact, it weakens the position that Russia is the aggressor and should be treated as such.

Didnt NATO actually start this war?

 

[ClydeDawg]

Trump is the biggest liar ever in history. But he may have been forced to say this because Putin told him too. So sick for the Trump team to abandon Ukraine at this critical time and start negotiating with Russia without Ukraine at the table. And then start negotiations off by saying Ukraine cannot join NATO and Ukraine must give up territory. Ukraine has fought so hard and given up so much fighting for their survival and all the free world. (Now let's sit back and watch MAGA Trumpers try and twist these facts with their fake facts.)

😂

 

[dawgfood0612]

Lots of folks have questioned my affinity for Ronald Reagan while also thinking that Trump is a low life Russia loving con man.

This article says it all.

MSN

 

[litedawg1968]

Lots of folks have questioned my affinity for Ronald Reagan while also thinking that Trump is a low life Russia loving con man.

This article says it all.

MSN

Reagan was 40 years ago bro. Things have changed.

Luckily for you, youve only got 3 years and 11 months to go and youll be all clear.

 

[DTwnDawg]

He did say you should have made a deal.

He also said you should have never started it.

You conveniently left that part out.

I don’t believe Vlad is writing Trump’s speeches, but Trump mirrored Russian talking points. Wonder why?

LMAO…let’s get the RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSiA going again…it’s all y’all have ..besides the screaming, accusations , and the stupid songs your old hippie idiot leaders are singing at these piss poor attended rallies …75-80% of America is loving what your “Orange Jesus” is doing …you shall bow down and worship…LMAO! The TDS is glorious on here..living in y’all’s heads!

 

[ThreeDawgNight]

 

[DTwnDawg]

"IT" could only be the "war". That was the only subject.

And I bet your the same guy that will say Israel did not have the right to attack Hamas and Gaza after they were attacked by Hamas …lol

 

[ThreeDawgNight]

There is soon going to be an end of this war with the US starting a new business relationship with Ukraine (rare earth metals), and Trump will win the Nobel Peace Prize. The liberal tears will REALLY be glorious then.

 

[DTwnDawg]

Thats simply promoting Russian propaganda. The threat of Ukraine joining NATO did not start the war and validating that propaganda in no way helps negotiations. In fact, it weakens the position that Russia is the aggressor and should be treated as such.

Would love to hear how you and your Dems on here envision this war ending. I’m sure it’s just continuing a never ending war where the U.S. Govt continues to spend BILLIONS of unaccounted for money for a slow death to Ukraine. Some Disney dream of Ukraine eventually winning and getting Russia to surrender…is that what you think is possible? A war that Ukraine has zero chance of winning ..just more death …..your boy Joe did NOTHING to try and end the war, just throw money to Ukraine, and not even give the the weapons they requested and needed early on in the fight.

If your sorry POS crooked Joe Biden and been halfway competent, this war would have never happened

 

[willdup]

There is soon going to be an end of this war with the US starting a new business relationship with Ukraine (rare earth metals), and Trump will win the Nobel Peace Prize. The liberal tears will REALLY be glorious then.

You must be referring to Trump’s attempt to strong arm Zelensky into signing over half of Ukraine’s mineral rights in exchange for not throwing them under the bus in peace negotiations? What a statesman.

There’s also one big problem with Trump’s master plan.

 

[DTwnDawg]

Ukraine was corrupt before the war and corrupt during it. Probably be corrupt after it.

THIS

It’s never discussed on here and no libtard will ever admit it, and even though no sovereign nation deserves what’s happened to Ukraine, their country and govt is corrupt as hell

 

[ThreeDawgNight]

You must be referring to Trump’s attempt to strong arm Zelensky into signing over half of Ukraine’s mineral rights in exchange for not throwing them under the bus in peace negotiations? What a statesman.

There’s also one big problem with Trump’s master plan.

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Strong arm? We've pumped billions into that country and we'll continue to pump more I'm sure. I call it getting some sort of return on investment.

On a daily basis, I enjoy the tears of you and those like you.

 

[litedawg1968]

You must be referring to Trump’s attempt to strong arm Zelensky into signing over half of Ukraine’s mineral rights in exchange for not throwing them under the bus in peace negotiations? What a statesman.

There’s also one big problem with Trump’s master plan.

View embedded media

Strong arm? Zelensky has zero leverage. If Russia decided to wipe Ukraine off the map tomorrow, there isnt a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Zelensky bet on the wrong horse ( Biden) and he lost. All this death and destruction for nothing.

 

[ThreeDawgNight]

You must be referring to Trump’s attempt to strong arm Zelensky into signing over half of Ukraine’s mineral rights in exchange for not throwing them under the bus in peace negotiations? What a statesman.

There’s also one big problem with Trump’s master plan.

View embedded media

And...what the f*ck do you think Kamala and staff would be doing right now?!?

She'd be cackling and inviting all of her Hollywood cronies to the White House having a perennial booze fest.

Trump and staff have done more in 3 weeks than Biden and staff did in 4 years.

I cannot wait till Kash is confirmed and watch the walls come down on folks.

 

[bubbab]

Ukraine never had a chance and should have done everything they can to avoid this. Instead they were lied to by the Biden Administration and now their country is senselessly destroyed and will never recover.

So you want to Monday morning qb a country that was invaded and attacked by Russia? Crazy!