When I read the original post yesterday I laughed and thought the first mistake was driving to Disneyland through South Georgia 😂😂😂😂
NonDawg Any here make the jump to an EV?
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True story had a Honda clarity plug in hybrid and used it to commute over 100 miles a day in ATL. Charged at home and at work. Loved the car. Then at 7 years and around 110k miles engine light came on and of course the battery warranty ended at 100k. The dealer ultimately said it was the battery and $8500 to replace. Offered me pennies on the dollar to trade in saying it was useless. Thankfully Carmax came through and gave me a decent price considering the battery issue. I am driving a Corolla now as a third car commute option which works for me at the moment. I do think that Teslas are better built and have longer battery warranty so I would consider going back to an EV for sure but just realize they are somewhat disposable once the battery dies.
Cause they don’t meet towing goals, are overpriced to begin with, sales are lagging.
Not sure about the towing part (nor do I care), but it definitely seems like #3 was entirely caused by the dealers getting greedy and causing #2 with their insane markups. But I can get an extended range Lariat for right around $60k right now. That's $10k less than the ICE model.
Stupid leases? I need to check those out then. Everything I have read recommends leasing an EV since the technology is changing so fast.
Not taking a position one way or the other because I think it boils down to your needs and what you expect but I saw a road and track test of a Ford F150 ICE and a Ford EV pick up and it eliminated the EV pick up for me. The test was pulling a 5K lb load about 500 miles through various terrain and the ICE while not efficient had no issue pulling or making it to the next fuel stop about 200 miles away. The EV was barely making it 100 miles before it needed to charge. They literally stopped the test and turned around and went back to the starting point.
I like the idea of an EV grocery getter but the way I travel doesn't work with having to plan fuel stops every 250 or 300 miles and I definitely don't want a utility vehicle that falls on it's face if I need to use it for a utility function.
Yea the mileage on the lightning is among the worst, until they extend that range it’s a no for me. The GMC options and Tesla can both go over 400 (now that’s without hauling yes)
Yeah, the towing range is way down for the Ford which initially gave me pause because we have RV travel trailer that comes in around 5,000 when fully packed out. I read the articles about the towing test, probably the same articles you read, and my wife responded that if thats the case there is no way we could get the electric F-150.
But then we sat there and discussed it and realized we had only towed our Travel Trailer further than 100 miles away just twice in the 7 years that weve owned it. Once to the beaches in Florida and another time to the beaches in Georgia. The rest of the time weve just used it in northeast Georgia, well within a 100 mile radius of Athens.
So while the 100 mile range in those towing test was concerning at first, after thinking it through we realized it wouldnt affect us that much.
But if you are someone that tows frequently beyond 100 miles I can easily see why it would not be the best vehicle to choose.
I'm hoping for significant savings beyond what your getting. Once I pull the trigger I'll have to see how the real world example compares to my calculations and let you know.
I currently have a 2018 RAM Rebel (off-road trim package) with the V8 HEMI. I average 17 mpg and use it as my daily driver. But I have a LONG commute... drive from Athens to either Gainesviile, Toccoa, or Braselton each day. I've looked at my gas spending over the months and on average I fill up 6.3 times per month at an average cost currently of around $68.50 per tank. So my fuel cost per month is $431.55 at near 150 gallons per month.
By calculations I should be able to come close to cutting that monthly fuel bill in half or better even. We live about a mile from the natural gas power plant just north of Athens near the intersection of Hwy 441 and Hwy 334 and enjoy some of the cheapest electricity rates in the country at just 0.09 cents per kilowatt hour. Of course these calculations are all on paper so I'm curious to see how it works out in the real world and if I can come close to this.
Reading propaganda from the oil industry doesn’t make one informed.
Yeah I would definitely say my calculations are skewed a bit as my driving habits have changed from what I drove with my old ‘06 Ram. I definitely never took that truck out on the road & we always took my wife’s car when traveling but since I’ve gotten my Lightening we’ve taken it to Savannah & Americus & basically do all of our errands around town in it. I was also working from home a lot more in ‘23 than I have been since I’ve got the Lightening. So that $800/yr savings is even WITH driving it a heck of a lot more than I used to do with my RAM.
Go check out Car & Driver or MotorTrend or Consumer Reports reviews…. Several on YouTube as well. There is no resale data on any used EV’s cause nobody knows what they’re actually worth! ANY running used ICE PU will bring a decent amount of cash while an EV could be worthless re battery life. Meanwhile, I’ve an ‘02 Tacoma w/155k miles that is easily worth $5-$8K all day long. Today you’re rolling the dice on any EV. Not even makers can tell you what resale should be.
After literally every point you repeated of oil company propaganda was debunked by real life experiences in this thread (even a ****ing nuclear physicist stopped by to correct you in case you missed it)
You still had the balls to tell someone else they were uninformed. That is, something….
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And how much money in oil changes and maintenance and gas have you poured into that thing? You need to look at total cost of the truck and basically by mile. It could be equivalent but just because a car is worth X amount after Y years, that doesn’t mean you’re better off. It’s not really an easy comparison as there are no EVs that are 23 years old at the moment.
The biggest issue everyone on this thread seems to miss is the cost during the use of the car. Charging at home is upwards of 5x cheaper than gas right now. Even if your truck averaged 25mpg which I doubt it does, you’re looking at gas in the neighborhood of 12K-18K over 155K miles. The equivalent for electricity is less than half that being conservative and probably 1/3 or 1/4.
I drive a Volvo XC90 recharge which is their plug in hybrid. It’s awesome because I can drive it around town on full electric, and when going more than 40 miles, it switches to gas seamlessly. Best car I’ve owned. For me, the EVs don’t have the range yet to make them worth it. Plus gas is still so cheap it doesn’t make enough sense for the inconvenience on longer drives.
That was my original thinking as well, but then I started considering how often I drive long distances that would outstrip the ~300 mile range of most EVs. Maybe 2 or 3 times a year was the answer for me, so not really a huge consideration.
I bought ours before lease was available but I’d def lease, especially while the incentives exist. The tax credit is usually incorporated into the lease payment too. Not to mention they need to move the cars lol. R1Ts have better deals than the R1S in my experience
What are you taking about? I spent 2 minutes looking for a 2020 model s with 110k miles on it like mine and found several places placing a value on it just like any other car. The Tesla seem to hold its value better than most
I have done the math. Meanwhile, just tell me what a given EV 5/10 years down the road is likely to sell for pre-purchase today? Nobody really knows because there’s a lack of solid data over time. It’s a pure guess. Until the charging station network is built out, and replacement battery costs come down, a plug-in hybrid or even an ICE is a solid alternative. Depreciation on new resale could easily out pace ICE maintenance costs.
Hybrid is the way to go, technology is more mature. New Camry can get 50 MPG. EVs are also anything but green.
Just because you found some examples for resales doesn’t mean very much. It’s gonna take time (years) to establish true EV resale values and reliable pricing forecasts. This is not to say EV’s aren’t a great means of transportation. Meanwhile, the risk of owning a vehicle whose battery replacement cost out paces it’s market value is undeniable.
No maintenance, if you didn't change the oil regularly I'm out, jk!
Bullshit. Nobody believes you.
Agree to disagree just means you’re wrong and you want to run away.
Exactly how is battery replacement any different than replacing a motor ? I have owned in my life probably 7 cars. 3 of those 7 I had the engine blow. A Lexus, bmw and Hyundai genesis. Only the genesis was under warranty and I still had to fight with them about covering it and it had 12,00 miles. Not sure where you have the idea that somehow ice cars have fewer major issues. I would much rather replace a battery than an entire engine with a million moving parts .
Batteries are about 3-5 x the cost of a motor. 6 x if you DIY. ICE’s are essentially a simple air pump and there’s about 65 actual moving internal parts. Not saying there aren’t some bad examples but your experience is an outlier. I’ve owned everything from Mustangs to Porsches to Toyota’s to Honda’s to Acura’s plus others …. Often with 200k+ mileage… and never once had an engine actually break a connecting rod, piston rod / wrist pin, spin a main bearing, break a valve or valve spring. Alll of those things happened when I built motors in NASCAR. The worst owned street drive was a Taurus that blew a head gasket due to piss poor design. I convinced Ford to fix it. They later recalled that motor. Honestly don’t know how you could have that many legit blown ones unless they were run hot, low on oil / coolant / over revved the things, or the design / engineering was very bad. Maybe you should just use Uber.
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