Biden's war about to intensify

[Bells76]

Word is Russia is about to significantly up their aerial attacks in the coming days. True ? Who knows, but it would not surprise me, given all of the insults the media has reported about how ineffective and inept the Russian military has been. Last night, Biden (as he and the media have been doing) tried once again to manipulate the American people into getting involved in this war, mentally and emotionally. Why? Why are they so intent on getting you emotionally involved? Just because you recognize propaganda, doesn't make you pro-Russian. As horrific as this situation is for the Ukrainian people, this is not our fight. Not our monkeys, not our circus.

We are a country over $30,291, 488, 550, 991.00 in debt (and climbing every day), a broken border, inflation out the ass, runaway crime. We cant afford it and have our own issues.

The US and NATO have consistently broken promises, we promised not to expand NATO if Germany got back together but we've been expanding like crazy. We let Poland, CZ Republic, Hungary, Baltic States in, blatantly violating the non-expansion arrangement. Russia objected but it wasn't until the talk turned to letting Georgia and Ukraine in, that Russia started to shore up its influence over these countries. Would we allow Russia to move into Mexico, decapacitate the govt and install a puppet regime without moving our forces to that border and ultimately invading? I hope not.

As I read elsewhere, Putin invaded and overthrew the governments in Iraq, and Afghanistan, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and still waging a dirty war in Syria, while legally occupying 1/3 of that country. Oh wait.....that's not Putin, that's the United States. Now I personally believe the US is good and blessed by God, but these hypocrisies are underscored by the fact that the US government and their lapdog media are engaged in copious amounts of propaganda aimed directly at the American psyche. Why? We are not involved. I don't want to hear because of the innocent deaths. Biden threw all that away when he stated Ukraine could possibly be considered for NATO. At that point, he removed every option sans invasion. Do not let them manipulate you into choosing a side and here is a point everyone has completely forgotten, both sides are corrupt, and when this is over, no matter which side wins, the Ukrainian people will still be under an oppressive, socialist state.

Half the country installed a senile milquetoast to babble incoherently about how f***ing tough he is - all the while the only people he intimidates are the sign language folks trying to decipher his bullshit statements and communicate with the hearing impaired. The Administration is already trying to blame high gas prices and the already 50 year high inflation on the Russians, rather than the misguided and failed progressive policies that firmly entrenched both in less than 13 months.

If you voted for this shit - these are in fact your monkeys, and the shitshow is your circus.




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[shonuff253]

Word is Russia is about to significantly up their aerial attacks in the coming days. True ? Who knows, but it would not surprise me, given all of the insults the media has reported about how ineffective and inept the Russian military has been. Last night, Biden (as he and the media have been doing) tried once again to manipulate the American people into getting involved in this war, mentally and emotionally. Why? Why are they so intent on getting you emotionally involved? Just because you recognize propaganda, doesn't make you pro-Russian. As horrific as this situation is for the Ukrainian people, this is not our fight. Not our monkeys, not our circus.

We are a country over $30,291, 488, 550, 991.00 in debt (and climbing every day), a broken border, inflation out the ass, runaway crime. We cant afford it and have our own issues.

The US and NATO have consistently broken promises, we promised not to expand NATO if Germany got back together but we've been expanding like crazy. We let Poland, CZ Republic, Hungary, Baltic States in, blatantly violating the non-expansion arrangement. Russia objected but it wasn't until the talk turned to letting Georgia and Ukraine in, that Russia started to shore up its influence over these countries. Would we allow Russia to move into Mexico, decapacitate the govt and install a puppet regime without moving our forces to that border and ultimately invading? I hope not.

As I read elsewhere, Putin invaded and overthrew the governments in Iraq, and Afghanistan, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and still waging a dirty war in Syria, while legally occupying 1/3 of that country. Oh wait.....that's not Putin, that's the United States. Now I personally believe the US is good and blessed by God, but these hypocrisies are underscored by the fact that the US government and their lapdog media are engaged in copious amounts of propaganda aimed directly at the American psyche. Why? We are not involved. I don't want to hear because of the innocent deaths. Biden threw all that away when he stated Ukraine could possibly be considered for NATO. At that point, he removed every option sans invasion. Do not let them manipulate you into choosing a side and here is a point everyone has completely forgotten, both sides are corrupt, and when this is over, no matter which side wins, the Ukrainian people will still be under an oppressive, socialist state.

Half the country installed a senile milquetoast to babble incoherently about how f***ing tough he is - all the while the only people he intimidates are the sign language folks trying to decipher his bullshit statements and communicate with the hearing impaired. The Administration is already trying to blame high gas prices and the already 50 year high inflation on the Russians, rather than the misguided and failed progressive policies that firmly entrenched both in less than 13 months.

If you voted for this shit - these are in fact your monkeys, and the shitshow is your circus.




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Wow I mean this is like straight from the Kremlin propaganda here. I didn't know we had Dawg fans in St. Petersburg.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

Wow I mean this is like straight from the Kremlin propaganda here. I didn't know we had Dawg fans in St. Petersburg.

How would you know? Because your favorite media outlet told you.

You keep trying to justify your views claiming they are formed from OSINT, but I doubt it. OSINT is what helped debunk the BS narratives being pushed last week on social corporate media.

Bells didn't defend Russia at all. He simply pointed out the BS propaganda machine and is asking questions. The only thing missing from you right now is the demand that we follow the science.

You have zero interest in discussing the matter and only wish to push the narratives given to us in the media. If you had interest in discussing you wouldn't keep pushing the idea that people not buying the narrative are Putin supporters.

 

[shonuff253]

How would you know? Because your favorite media outlet told you.

You keep trying to justify your views claiming they are formed from OSINT, but I doubt it. OSINT is what helped debunk the BS narratives being pushed last week on social corporate media.

Bells didn't defend Russia at all. He simply pointed out the BS propaganda machine and is asking questions. The only thing missing from you right now is the demand that we follow the science.

You have zero interest in discussing the matter and only wish to push the narratives given to us in the media. If you had interest in discussing you wouldn't keep pushing the idea that people not buying the narrative are Putin supporters.

Wow wow wow easy there Tonto.....Me come in peace. You guys seems to be pretty shook by what your boy Putin is doing and brain is short circuiting. Last I remember you were trying to insinuate that this who Ukraine/Russia conflict was due to something strange going on at the Chernobyl site with no evidence or data. It was like you'd were rambling on about the plot from the new Resident Evil game or something.

Again Hanlon's Razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Replace malice with conspiracy and you have the Russian government under Putin. Putin is corrupt as hell and run's the Russian government like a mafia, that is a fact. That type of government breeds incompetence, ineptitude and...….gasp...….stupidity.

 

[shonuff253]

How would you know? Because your favorite media outlet told you.

You keep trying to justify your views claiming they are formed from OSINT, but I doubt it. OSINT is what helped debunk the BS narratives being pushed last week on social corporate media.

Bells didn't defend Russia at all. He simply pointed out the BS propaganda machine and is asking questions. The only thing missing from you right now is the demand that we follow the science.

You have zero interest in discussing the matter and only wish to push the narratives given to us in the media. If you had interest in discussing you wouldn't keep pushing the idea that people not buying the narrative are Putin supporters.

I like how you push to simply "discuss the matter" and ignore the tsunami of evidence showing this was an unprovoked attack by not Russia but Putin because he is a sicko. Period. I know it sucks when your heros come crashing down to Earth but that's where the world is right now

 

[zingerdawg]

I like how you push to simply "discuss the matter" and ignore the tsunami of evidence showing this was an unprovoked attack by not Russia but Putin because he is a sicko. Period. I know it sucks when your heros come crashing down to Earth but that's where the world is right now

Is Biden your hero? Is there a category farther than crashing down to earth to describe his tenure?

 

[Bells76]

It’s really funny how all the libs are throwing around Russia and Putin the same way they do the word racism. It’s like their catch all when evidence piles up against them and they’ve lost. Just an undisciplined, unoriginal , predictable attempt to throw a word out to shut down discussion. Like a fire extinguisher used to put out a match. That’s all they have. But like good socialists, free speech and thought isn’t up for consideration. What baffles me is how lib’s views and Russia’s views are so similar. I mean who could think of a better match than the respective ideologies of the dems/libs and Communism. Match made in heaven.

 

[shonuff253]

Is Biden your hero? Is there a category farther than crashing down to earth to describe his tenure?

I don't like Biden. I'm a Dem and support Dem policy but Biden himself not a huge fan. Biden 20 years ago sure but not this one. I can divorce policy from the politician. Does that help answer your question?

Now back to you @zingerdawg divorcing politician from policy do you support OP assessment?

 

[shonuff253]

It’s really funny how all the libs are throwing around Russia and Putin the same way they do the word racism. It’s like their catch all when evidence piles up against them and they’ve lost. Just an undisciplined, unoriginal , predictable attempt to throw a word out to shut down discussion. Like a fire extinguisher used to put out a match. That’s all they have. But like good socialists, free speech and thought isn’t up for consideration. What baffles me is how lib’s views and Russia’s views are so similar. I mean who could think of a better match than the respective ideologies of the dems/libs and Communism. Match made in heaven.

Oh wow this really is turning into a Kremlin/GRU talking board hear. So if you criticizes Putin then you're the same as libs calling people racist? False Equivalence Fallacy right....I'm sorry I need to brush on my logical fallacy/propaganda techniques.

 

[zingerdawg]

I don't like Biden. I'm a Dem and support Dem policy but Biden himself not a huge fan. Biden 20 years ago sure but not this one. I can divorce policy from the politician. Does that help answer your question?

Now back to you @zingerdawg divorcing politician from policy do you support OP assessment?

Do you really believe putin is someone’s hero here? The talking points last night honestly were politics and propaganda at its finest. There were so many lies And flip flopping it was hard to tell what was real. How are those dem policies working out so far. 30 percent approval rate for Biden. 27 for Camela. It seems like both the policies and the politicians suck. But misdirection is a great thing. Let’s accuse the other side of loving putin. Since our agenda right now is a complete and utter cluster f. Lol. You do you. The policies don’t work just because of a politician failure. They also don’t work because the policies are flawed, and for lack of a better word. Stupid

 

[shonuff253]

Do you really believe putin is someone’s hero here? The talking points last night honestly were politics and propaganda at its finest. There were so many lies And flip flopping it was hard to tell what was real. How are those dem policies working out so far. 30 percent approval rate for Biden. 27 for Camela. It seems like both the policies and the politicians suck. But misdirection is a great thing. Let’s accuse the other side of loving putin. Since our agenda right now is a complete and utter cluster f. Lol. You do you. The policies don’t work just because of a politician failure. They also don’t work because the policies are flawed, and for lack of a better word. Stupid

@zingerdawg OP assessment is overwhelmingly in favor of Putin's actions. Do you favor that view not talking about Biden.

 

[zingerdawg]

@zingerdawg OP assessment is overwhelmingly in favor of Putin's actions. Do you favor that view not talking about Biden.

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[Bells76]

Oh wow this really is turning into a Kremlin/GRU talking board hear. So if you criticizes Putin then you're the same as libs calling people racist? False Equivalence Fallacy right....I'm sorry I need to brush on my logical fallacy/propaganda techniques.

Good little socialist you are, dodging anything of substance like a player in a dodgeball game and attempting to control and deflect the narrative, just like ol' shitpants Joe.

Criticizing Putin is fine, hell, I encourage it. Its the criticism of those that point out the media is trying to control you, and force you to pick a side, instead of considering all angles and coming to their OWN conclusion that is bothersome. As I stated, just because you question the propaganda, doesn't mean you favor Russia or its leaders. But I guess Biden followers need some way to divert the attention away from sky high inflation, rising gas prices, empty shelves, crime surges, immigration failures, a retarded VP and plummeting polls, now that people are waking up to commie virus abuses.

War could have been avoided. Hell, even Obama managed to avoid a war, although being incapable of slowing Russian aggression. Joe did everything he could to steer this thing towards this shitshow. Makes you wonder if he did on purpose or not, he's the only one standing to benefit. And as I said before, if you voted for this incompetent, evil, lying, phony with dementia, then the blame for every person that loses their life or suffers from Ukraine/Russia, not to mention the carnage in Afghanistan, lies directly at your feet.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

Wow wow wow easy there Tonto.....Me come in peace. You guys seems to be pretty shook by what your boy Putin is doing and brain is short circuiting. Last I remember you were trying to insinuate that this who Ukraine/Russia conflict was due to something strange going on at the Chernobyl site with no evidence or data. It was like you'd were rambling on about the plot from the new Resident Evil game or something.

Again Hanlon's Razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Replace malice with conspiracy and you have the Russian government under Putin. Putin is corrupt as hell and run's the Russian government like a mafia, that is a fact. That type of government breeds incompetence, ineptitude and...….gasp...….stupidity.

No evidence that something was going on at Chernobyl? You mean in a court of law or in mainstream media?

Chernobyl: Why radiation levels spiked at nuclear plant

Radiation levels increased, but a disaster at the defunct nuclear power plant there is 'extremely unlikely', experts say.

www.bbc.com

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

I like how you push to simply "discuss the matter" and ignore the tsunami of evidence showing this was an unprovoked attack by not Russia but Putin because he is a sicko. Period. I know it sucks when your heros come crashing down to Earth but that's where the world is right now

You're literally doing what I already pointed out. You can't help yourself.

 

[shonuff253]

No evidence that something was going on at Chernobyl? You mean in a court of law or in mainstream media?

Chernobyl: Why radiation levels spiked at nuclear plant

Radiation levels increased, but a disaster at the defunct nuclear power plant there is 'extremely unlikely', experts say.

www.bbc.com

@Dawg 'n IT read the article you posted and here is a cite:

"The increased movement of people and vehicles in and around the Chernobyl zone will have kicked up radioactive dust that's on the ground," Prof Corkhill said.
"Provided there's no further movement, it should decrease again over the next couple of days."

So seems all the troop movements there due to the Russian invasion is causing the spike. Are you saying the Russians are doing this on purpose?

 

[shonuff253]

You're literally doing what I already pointed out. You can't help yourself.

So you're point is instead of confronting this Russian aggression we should do what....talk about it?

 

[shonuff253]

You're literally doing what I already pointed out. You can't help yourself.

You know what @Dawg 'n IT I will say my tone is wrong and my bad. I'll hear you out seriously. I'm practicing what I preach. Open ears 100% and 100% respect to what you have to say on the OP original post.....go.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

@Dawg 'n IT read the article you posted and here is a cite:

"The increased movement of people and vehicles in and around the Chernobyl zone will have kicked up radioactive dust that's on the ground," Prof Corkhill said.
"Provided there's no further movement, it should decrease again over the next couple of days."

So seems all the troop movements there due to the Russian invasion is causing the spike. Are you saying the Russians are doing this on purpose?

I'm saying there’s been activity there which this article confirms which is what Bells said earlier. Not sure why you're trying to claim nothing is happening there.

All we did is question why at this stage of the invasion. Not sure why that question triggered you.

 

[Bells76]

@Dawg 'n IT read the article you posted and here is a cite:

"The increased movement of people and vehicles in and around the Chernobyl zone will have kicked up radioactive dust that's on the ground," Prof Corkhill said.
"Provided there's no further movement, it should decrease again over the next couple of days."

So seems all the troop movements there due to the Russian invasion is causing the spike. Are you saying the Russians are doing this on purpose?

Wonder if Prof Corkhill has ever been to Chernobyl, I have. Wonder if she knows that every square inch of soil was dug up from a pretty large perimeter surrounding the plant. Wonder if she knows all that soil was dumped in the forest, now dubbed The Red Forest. Not many people go in there for any length of time. Wonder if she knows you can stand in the Chernobyl parking lot and receive the same dose rate of background radiation that you get in Arcade, GA? Maybe she does, it would be hard to come to such a conclusion without being onsite and seeing exactly where the soil disturbance is happening. Not doubting, but the article left out a lot of details, contained propaganda and an explanation from Russia should be put forth.

Remember the other day when I said there was a ton of unusual activity going on around the site? You asked for a link and I said people on the ground. Well now you have a link. I said then someone should be asking what is going on to warrant this much activity around this site. Russia should respond to this concern but I see nobody asking to. They really do deserve this part of Ukraine, since they created this mess but I wouldn't trust them with it TBH.

 

[shonuff253]

I'm saying there’s been activity there which this article confirms which is what Bells said earlier. Not sure why you're trying to claim nothing is happening there.

All we did is question why at this stage of the invasion. Not sure why that question triggered you.

Actually that's not what OP said at all. OP is saying Putin is justified to invade Ukraine even though Ukraine did nothing to threaten Russia.

I agree three is activity at Chernobyl but I don't think it's something nefarious at this time. Nothing suggest otherwise.

 

[shonuff253]

Wonder if Prof Corkhill has ever been to Chernobyl, I have. Wonder if she knows that every square inch of soil was dug up from a pretty large perimeter surrounding the plant. Wonder if she knows all that soil was dumped in the forest, now dubbed The Red Forest. Not many people go in there for any length of time. Wonder if she knows you can stand in the Chernobyl parking lot and receive the same dose rate of background radiation that you get in Arcade, GA? Maybe she does, it would be hard to come to such a conclusion without being onsite and seeing exactly where the soil disturbance is happening. Not doubting, but the article left out a lot of details, contained propaganda and an explanation from Russia should be put forth.

Remember the other day when I said there was a ton of unusual activity going on around the site? You asked for a link and I said people on the ground. Well now you have a link. I said then someone should be asking what is going on to warrant this much activity around this site. Russia should respond to this concern but I see nobody asking to. They really do deserve this part of Ukraine, since they created this mess but I wouldn't trust them with it TBH.

Again the article states why the dust-up in radioactive readings is happening. Hell, it was only a couple of years 2016 that the new Chernobyl Containment Dome was installed. Sounds like it wasn't built to withstand nearby activity from rolling armor. Are you guys suggesting something else is happening there?

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

You know what @Dawg 'n IT I will say my tone is wrong and my bad. I'll hear you out seriously. I'm practicing what I preach. Open ears 100% and 100% respect to what you have to say on the OP original post.....go.

That's progress and I'll take it.

I don't have much to say about the OP because I'm not in Ukraine or Russia and don't know the extent of what's going on from firsthand accounts. That's why I didn't reply to it.

My first post ITT was to you concerning your accusations about the OP and others being supporters of Krelim propaganda just because he talked about Russia stepping up their efforts, called out Biden, and discussed other geopolitical happenings that make us look like hypocrites.

I mean my posts on this matter have been pretty consistent that information just isn't adding up from MSM and popular social media.

I have openly speculated on things meaning I never claimed something to be fact without providing some supporting evidence, but mostly have questioned the bits of information we receive and why it's strange that the narrative being pushed is so focused on Putin being a crazed madman and Russia's military being inept. We don't need to be told by the MSM and politicians how bad someone is as we can see that for ourselves. I just need the raw information without the narratives.

Even you admitted that you're trying to get your information from OSINT so obviously you recognize the same things.


The adult view should be that there aren't any true heroes or villains in geopolitics. There's a lot of global corruption and the vast majority of the time it's one powe structure beefing with another and neither are acting in the best interest of its citizens, but only the power structure.

Only the narrative shapes the virtue and yes, a lot of real good can be found in the mix just like evil, but such is life.

 

[Bells76]

Again the article states why the dust-up in radioactive readings is happening. Hell, it was only a couple of years 2016 that the new Chernobyl Containment Dome was installed. Sounds like it wasn't built to withstand nearby activity from rolling armor. Are you guys suggesting something else is happening there?

I'm not certain you can determine the cause of the high readings without being on-site, and the only people there are Russians. I'm surprised they allowed any of the international monitors to remain. I figured they would replace them with their own. They are obviously secretive and made the Chernobyl response worse by not admitting the mistake that was made before.

I'm not saying something else is going on. What I am saying is that Russia should provide the world a reason as to the increased traffic here of both helicopters and trucks. Its been excessive and given the history of the Chernobyl site, I think the world deserves an explanation.

In fact, I say that the increased levels from the meters, coupled with the extraordinary amount of activity in the area, deserves an explanation, possibly a 3rd party visit and inspection, given the site and Russian history of Chernobyl and their use of radioactive materials such as Po-210 as poisons. I have no idea what's going on at the reactor site or why they are getting elevated dose rates, but its too important to just leave to chance IMO

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

Actually that's not what OP said at all. OP is saying Putin is justified to invade Ukraine even though Ukraine did nothing to threaten Russia.

I agree three is activity at Chernobyl but I don't think it's something nefarious at this time. Nothing suggest otherwise.

I didn't say the OP mentioned Chernobyl. You brought Chernobyl into this thread when you tried to call me out over the comments from another thread.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

Wonder if Prof Corkhill has ever been to Chernobyl, I have. Wonder if she knows that every square inch of soil was dug up from a pretty large perimeter surrounding the plant. Wonder if she knows all that soil was dumped in the forest, now dubbed The Red Forest. Not many people go in there for any length of time. Wonder if she knows you can stand in the Chernobyl parking lot and receive the same dose rate of background radiation that you get in Arcade, GA? Maybe she does, it would be hard to come to such a conclusion without being onsite and seeing exactly where the soil disturbance is happening. Not doubting, but the article left out a lot of details, contained propaganda and an explanation from Russia should be put forth.

Remember the other day when I said there was a ton of unusual activity going on around the site? You asked for a link and I said people on the ground. Well now you have a link. I said then someone should be asking what is going on to warrant this much activity around this site. Russia should respond to this concern but I see nobody asking to. They really do deserve this part of Ukraine, since they created this mess but I wouldn't trust them with it TBH.

Bingo. It can't be disputed that activity is happening there and some people are curious exactly what.

Not sure why shonuff is being so defensive about questioning what's going on there beyond "Putin is evil and evil people send troops to Chernobyl".

 

[Bells76]

Bingo. It can't be disputed that activity is happening there and some people are curious exactly what.

Not sure why shonuff is being so defensive about questioning what's going on there beyond "Putin is evil and evil people send troops to Chernobyl".

That's what I don't get. In all seriousness, he condemns Putin and Co for being such horrific people with no regard for anyone, then wishes to trust him completely with the area that's home to arguably the first or second worst radioactive site release incidents in the world. Weird.

 

[shonuff253]

That's what I don't get. In all seriousness, he condemns Putin and Co for being such horrific people with no regard for anyone, then wishes to trust him completely with the area that's home to arguably the first or second worst radioactive site release incidents in the world. Weird.

That's the thing I never said I trusted Putin. And the Chernobyl comment was in reference to a previous discussion we had. OP post jas nothing to do with Chernobyl but was justification for Putin to start this war and rational for the Untied States to do nothing. So that should clear up that miscommunication not back to the OP.

Here is the point you guys continue to pass over:

Do you agree there would be no disturbance to Ukrainian infrastructure had Putin not illegally invaded? So everything bad happening in Ukraine right now is the fault of Putin and Russia.

 

[Bells76]

That's the thing I never said I trusted Putin. And the Chernobyl comment was in reference to a previous discussion we had. OP post jas nothing to do with Chernobyl but was justification for Putin to start this war and rational for the Untied States to do nothing. So that should clear up that miscommunication not back to the OP.

Here is the point you guys continue to pass over:

Do you agree there would be no disturbance to Ukrainian infrastructure had Putin not illegally invaded? So everything bad happening in Ukraine right now is the fault of Putin and Russia.

you said there was nothing nefarious going on at Chernobyl site. That’s what you said. I guess you were basing that opinion on the media article referencing the Swedish scientist. I say, risk is minimal, but we don’t know, and the potential consequences are too high to just take a Swedish scientist’s word for it, especially when she hasn’t been onsite.

your 2 questions are separate and not linked. Of course there would be to damage to Ukraine infrastructure at the moment if the Russians weren’t there. That’s obvious.

I am not willing to lay all the fault at one person’s feet. Of course Putin shares in the result we are seeing now. But Biden badly mishandled the situation and has culpability too. NATO does not have a good history of upholding its promises, very little trust there for the Russians to assume we would not let Ukraine in nato. That is not an option for them, the same way the Cuban middle crisis was an an acceptable development for us. When Biden stated that it possible for Ukraine to enter nato, well the stage was set and the decision was made. The Russians had no way out at that point, either invade Ukraine or hope and pray nato and the US keeps its promise, which they had broken many times to the soviets already. The Russians are scared of their weaknesses being exploited, especially Putin. They were not going to risk it as we didn’t with Cuba. The Russians drew their red line in the sand like Obama did, but they actually enforce theirs.

In the end, we failed to correctly analyze the Russians. we did not do everything we could to prevent this invasion. It is another world policy debacle by the Biden administration. The Russians are responsible for their actions. Us, ours. I feel horrible for the Ukraine people but the media is spinning this to drum up support for Biden and his failed policies. Running cover. I see their lies on the TV and read them. And I guess that’s who I am pissed at the most. They should fairly report what all parties have done right and wrong. We know the Russians aren’t saints, neither are we. But we could have negotiated a way out for Russia, as we did in Cuba. Biden didn’t and he shares in this war and the deaths.

 

[cherrydawg]

I don't like Biden. I'm a Dem and support Dem policy but Biden himself not a huge fan. Biden 20 years ago sure but not this one. I can divorce policy from the politician. Does that help answer your question?

Now back to you @zingerdawg divorcing politician from policy do you support OP assessment?

anyone that agrees with baby killing, open borders, pushing sexual perversion on children shouldn't dislike brandon.

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

I like how you push to simply "discuss the matter" and ignore the tsunami of evidence showing this was an unprovoked attack by not Russia but Putin because he is a sicko. Period. I know it sucks when your heros come crashing down to Earth but that's where the world is right now

 

[Va Beach Dawg]

Good little socialist you are, dodging anything of substance like a player in a dodgeball game and attempting to control and deflect the narrative, just like ol' shitpants Joe.

Criticizing Putin is fine, hell, I encourage it. Its the criticism of those that point out the media is trying to control you, and force you to pick a side, instead of considering all angles and coming to their OWN conclusion that is bothersome. As I stated, just because you question the propaganda, doesn't mean you favor Russia or its leaders. But I guess Biden followers need some way to divert the attention away from sky high inflation, rising gas prices, empty shelves, crime surges, immigration failures, a retarded VP and plummeting polls, now that people are waking up to commie virus abuses.

War could have been avoided. Hell, even Obama managed to avoid a war, although being incapable of slowing Russian aggression. Joe did everything he could to steer this thing towards this shitshow. Makes you wonder if he did on purpose or not, he's the only one standing to benefit. And as I said before, if you voted for this incompetent, evil, lying, phony with dementia, then the blame for every person that loses their life or suffers from Ukraine/Russia, not to mention the carnage in Afghanistan, lies directly at your feet.

There is going to be a lot of money made rebuilding Ukraine. The Clintons, Biden’s, Chaneys may not be able to make millions this time but there are plenty of other politicians in the next wave of grifters waiting

 

[Bells76]

There is going to be a lot of money made rebuilding Ukraine. The Clintons, Biden’s, Chaneys may not be able to make millions this time but there are plenty of other politicians in the next wave of grifters waiting

Yes and don't forget about all the military brass sitting on various boards that will be raking it in. DC loves war. They get on stage and crucify everyone with a big smiles and inspiring speeches about how good will prevail but they love money machine wars generate.

 

[Whosyodawgy]

Biden is such a sleazy 'RAT that he is liable to do anything to try to rehabilitate his collapsed public opinion numbers. And, you can bet the war machine is whispering in his ear this very moment.
I have little doubt that they are trying to find a way to engage in a "limited action". Biden will figure he can cast himself as a strong leader and make a bundle at the same time; just the kind of 2fer a criminal like him would rationalize as the thing to do.

 

[richb1]

Reading this thread (and a few others) reminds me of reading the "libs" a few years ago who automatically by reflex and without thinking assumed everything Trump did was "bad" just because they hated Trump and he was "bad". The Biden anger and hatred for some is so blinding that they cannot imagine he can be right about anything, and rather than think about each situation, they simply scramble to find something in everything he does that demonstrates how horrible Biden is. Just like the "libs" did on everything related to Trump.

And I say this from the perspective of someone who stupidly voted for Biden, will not make the same mistake again, and would agree that many of Trump's policies look better and better all the time.

 

[shonuff253]

anyone that agrees with baby killing, open borders, pushing sexual perversion on children shouldn't dislike brandon.

Ok

 

[shonuff253]

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Can we take a moment and agree the WCW NWO era was the greatest era in wrestling history!

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

Ok

Do you support abortion? Regardless of politics? Genuinely curious….

 

[shonuff253]

Do you support abortion? Regardless of politics? Genuinely curious….

I support a woman's and family decision to decide. None of my business.

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

I support a woman's and family decision to decide. None of my business.

Do you have the same opinion on the Covid vaccine?