Calling my shot. The Biden bribery thing sticks….

[-lowcountrydawg]

This happened. Way too much smoke. And while I generally dismiss this stuff on both sides looking for “gotchas” and interpretations of gray areas that will stick, there is real smoke here.

The only reason it isn’t being treated as such is because it is lost in a sea of allegations on both sides - much weaker stuff. I don’t know how this gets explained away.

Every major career ending scandal starts with a little bit of smoke. This one is gonna ignite. I believe there are very important people sweating bullets about this. Or maybe not. Up to the democrats..they may choose to use this as a way to get the old man out.

Regardless pretty clear to me he sold influence for money. Got the guy who was investigating Burisma fired. And likely replaced with a friendlier prosecutor. For money.

Way too much smoke. And this isn’t a porn star payoff (which happened) or keeping classified materials in boxes (which happened). This is getting paid directly by a foreign entity to use your office to benefit they foreign entity.

Biden will not be running for president in 2024.

 

[zingerdawg]

This happened. Way too much smoke. And while I generally dismiss this stuff on both sides looking for “gotchas” and interpretations of gray areas that will stick, there is real smoke here.

The only reason it isn’t being treated as such is because it is lost in a sea of allegations on both sides - much weaker stuff. I don’t know how this gets explained away.

Every major career ending scandal starts with a little bit of smoke. This one is gonna ignite. I believe there are very important people sweating bullets about this. Or maybe not. Up to the democrats..they may choose to use this as a way to get the old man out.

Regardless pretty clear to me he sold influence for money. Got the guy who was investigating Burisma fired. And likely replaced with a friendlier prosecutor. For money.

Way too much smoke. And this isn’t a porn star payoff (which happened) or keeping classified materials in boxes (which happened). This is getting paid directly by a foreign entity to use your office to benefit they foreign entity.

Biden will not be running for president in 2024.

Your last sentence is the biggy. Will the Dems and the media continue to cover for Biden? The question is answered in the polls. If he continues to be a loser to other pubs in the polls, you can bet more of his indiscretions will come out.

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

Your last sentence is the biggy. Will the Dems and the media continue to cover for Biden? The question is answered in the polls. If he continues to be a loser to other pubs in the polls, you can bet more of his indiscretions will come out.

If they get an opportunity to depose these folks on camera Biden is done.

 

[nice marmot]

This happened.

be specific: what is the crime?

 

[ugadoc]

This happened. Way too much smoke. And while I generally dismiss this stuff on both sides looking for “gotchas” and interpretations of gray areas that will stick, there is real smoke here.

The only reason it isn’t being treated as such is because it is lost in a sea of allegations on both sides - much weaker stuff. I don’t know how this gets explained away.

Every major career ending scandal starts with a little bit of smoke. This one is gonna ignite. I believe there are very important people sweating bullets about this. Or maybe not. Up to the democrats..they may choose to use this as a way to get the old man out.

Regardless pretty clear to me he sold influence for money. Got the guy who was investigating Burisma fired. And likely replaced with a friendlier prosecutor. For money.

Way too much smoke. And this isn’t a porn star payoff (which happened) or keeping classified materials in boxes (which happened). This is getting paid directly by a foreign entity to use your office to benefit they foreign entity.

Biden will not be running for president in 2024.

Yes they will continue to cover for Biden. They think by throwing enough garbage at Trump they can hide the old man again, get him in office. He then does whatever they wish until the giggling moron takes over. There is so much REAL damaging crimes against our country with Biden. Every prosecution and impeachment so far against Trump is based on false info. The Biden stuff is real with a laptop and multiple witnesses. The Tony Bobolinski interview with Tucker before the last election should have been enough to throw Biden out if the race. The media and big tech circled the wagons and directly Interfered with our last election. If they had not actively suppressed what they all KNEW was a true story Trump wins by a landslide.

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

be specific: what is the crime?

It is illegal to use your elected office to make federal government decisions on behalf of the people in exchange for cash paid to you personally. Do you deny that?

 

[atlanta cock#]

be specific: what is the crime?

Marjorie Taylor Greene reveals contents of Biden bribery doc

At issue is Ukrainian oil company Burisma, which was facing an investigation from Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin at the time.

justthenews.com

 

[willdup]

This happened. Way too much smoke. And while I generally dismiss this stuff on both sides looking for “gotchas” and interpretations of gray areas that will stick, there is real smoke here.

The only reason it isn’t being treated as such is because it is lost in a sea of allegations on both sides - much weaker stuff. I don’t know how this gets explained away.

Every major career ending scandal starts with a little bit of smoke. This one is gonna ignite. I believe there are very important people sweating bullets about this. Or maybe not. Up to the democrats..they may choose to use this as a way to get the old man out.

Regardless pretty clear to me he sold influence for money. Got the guy who was investigating Burisma fired. And likely replaced with a friendlier prosecutor. For money.

Way too much smoke. And this isn’t a porn star payoff (which happened) or keeping classified materials in boxes (which happened). This is getting paid directly by a foreign entity to use your office to benefit they foreign entity.

Biden will not be running for president in 2024.

I’ll bet you a bottle of whiskey it doesn’t stick.

And your description of what happened with the prosecutor in Ukraine is dead wrong. The US, along with our allies in the EU and the International Monetary Fund (which withheld $40b as part of the same effort), wanted Shokin removed because he was not aggressive enough in investigating corruption, not because he was too aggressive. Burisma wasn’t even under investigation at the time.

Edit: I hope you are right about Biden not running in 2024, but it has nothing to do with this issue.

Fact check: Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son

Despite a Senate GOP investigation that found no wrongdoing by Joe Biden on foreign policy in Ukraine, claims to the contrary continue to circulate.

www.usatoday.com

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

I’ll bet you a bottle of whiskey it doesn’t stick.

And your description of what happened with the prosecutor in Ukraine is dead wrong. The US, along with our allies in the EU and the International Monetary Fund (which withheld $40b as part of the same effort), wanted Shokin removed because he was not aggressive enough in investigating corruption, not because he was too aggressive. Burisma wasn’t even under investigation at the time.

Edit: I hope you are right about Biden not running in 2024, but it has nothing to do with this issue.

Fact check: Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son

Despite a Senate GOP investigation that found no wrongdoing by Joe Biden on foreign policy in Ukraine, claims to the contrary continue to circulate.

www.usatoday.com

Well it is not surprising that the official reason for his firing was something other than “he paid Joe Biden $5M”. Either he did this or the FBI informant is making all of this up. The problem is that the money trail is there, so there has to be some explanation.

The simplest explanation is usually the right one. Money trail + a confidential informant explaining in detail what the money was for, with clear benefit on both sides? Explains why someone so unqualified would find himself on the Board of a foreign energy Company also.

You may be right that this doesn’t stick. But you are a smart dude - at least admit this has a real stink to it. And this isn’t about BJ’s in the Oval Office. It is a much bigger deal than your typical “scandals” which usually revolve around lies to avoid political fallout. This isn’t about vocal dishonesty - which is par for the course for politicians. This is about literally getting bribed while holding elected office. Not some administrative roll. The guy was elected VP and getting paid to use his office benefit a foreign entity. Arguably the biggest political scandal in American History if true.

Edit: I think we can agree the Country deserves a lot better than Trump v Biden. Absolutely ridiculous that a Country as great as ours can’t do better. Probably 20 million better candidates out there. Literally. If this thing takes out Biden and the documents thing takes out Trump, our Country will be better for it.

 

[zingerdawg]

I’ll bet you a bottle of whiskey it doesn’t stick.

And your description of what happened with the prosecutor in Ukraine is dead wrong. The US, along with our allies in the EU and the International Monetary Fund (which withheld $40b as part of the same effort), wanted Shokin removed because he was not aggressive enough in investigating corruption, not because he was too aggressive. Burisma wasn’t even under investigation at the time.

Edit: I hope you are right about Biden not running in 2024, but it has nothing to do with this issue.

Fact check: Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son

Despite a Senate GOP investigation that found no wrongdoing by Joe Biden on foreign policy in Ukraine, claims to the contrary continue to circulate.

www.usatoday.com

It is the burying of the story too will. It took a contempt charge for Wray to cut this loose. That is insane. Why is he protecting Biden like that. He should be transparent. You guys whine about Hillary. Bribe or not, that is information that should have been known to the American public. But it would have made trump look like he was possibly right about Biden. So they buried it. Again, worse than if Biden actually bribed someone. And more compounding evidence of a completely partisan justice system. You have to be smart enough to see this. Tell me will. Why bury it since 2020? Why fall under contempt to keep it from the public? If nothing is there, why?

 

[nice marmot]

Do you deny that?

Show me the facts.

 

[nice marmot]

Marjorie Taylor Greene reveals contents of Biden bribery doc

At issue is Ukrainian oil company Burisma, which was facing an investigation from Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin at the time.

justthenews.com

Thank you - was wondering what alleged crime we were talking about today.

Y'all keep saying Biden is corrupt, but you gotta come up with some more reliable investigators here.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

Show me the facts.

Why are you interested in those now when you have ignored them for that other guy?

I mean I've been harping on investigations with real results for anything and everything rather than political maneuvering to protect specific people. Would be nice if more people wanted the same.

With seemingly the full weight of our intelligence community and justice system as a whole focusing on one person for so many years without anything to show for it as far as accountability is concerned, seems they should be able to focus attention on these other big fish since facts are so important.

 

[willdup]

Well it is not surprising that the official reason for his firing was something other than “he paid Joe Biden $5M”. Either he did this or the FBI informant is making all of this up. The problem is that the money trail is there, so there has to be some explanation.

The simplest explanation is usually the right one. Money trail + a confidential informant explaining in detail what the money was for, with clear benefit on both sides? Explains why someone so unqualified would find himself on the Board of a foreign energy Company also.

You may be right that this doesn’t stick. But you are a smart dude - at least admit this has a real stink to it. And this isn’t about BJ’s in the Oval Office. It is a much bigger deal than your typical “scandals” which usually revolve around lies to avoid political fallout. This isn’t about vocal dishonesty - which is par for the course for politicians. This is about literally getting bribed while holding elected office. Not some administrative roll. The guy was elected VP and getting paid to use his office benefit a foreign entity. Arguably the biggest political scandal in American History if true.

Edit: I think we can agree the Country deserves a lot better than Trump v Biden. Absolutely ridiculous that a Country as great as ours can’t do better. Probably 20 million better candidates out there. Literally. If this thing takes out Biden and the documents thing takes out Trump, our Country will be better for it.

You are ignoring the fact that removing Shokin was the stated policy goal of all of the western powers pumping money into Ukraine, which is entirely logical given financial corruption was the primary way Russia was exercising control over the country.

Given the repeated failures of past investigations, I’ll remain skeptical of Republican charges of corruption and fraud until proven in court. We will see how it plays out.

 

[nice marmot]

Why are you interested in those now when you have ignored them for that other guy?

what have I ignored? we've been through this:

Republican Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Biden (Published 2020)

The report delivered on Wednesday appeared to be little more than a rehashing of unproven allegations that echoed a Russian disinformation campaign.

www.nytimes.com

I don't think Biden is corrupt - if we see that he is, I'll be surprised, but I am not going to deny the fact at that point - however, it would be counter to everything we know about the man. Look at the budget deal - he had other levers to pull, but didn't, because that's just not his style. Weirdly, he negotiated with a knife at his throat and... won.

 

[atlanta cock#]

Thank you - was wondering what alleged crime we were talking about today.

Y'all keep saying Biden is corrupt, but you gotta come up with some more reliable investigators here.

Until proven, everything is an allegation. Even the indictment of Trump. At least, that’s how our system was designed.

I suggest you do 2 things. First, look at the glee from noted liars like Swalwell, Hillary Clinton and Schiff. Second, note the total lack of curiosity of media such as NYT and WaPo when it comes to virtually any Dem. Then ask yourself if that’s what you really want? Because you know damn good and well retribution and vengeance is coming, and it’s your fault (the Left). With the eventual collapse of legacy media, which I personally believe is coming sooner rather than later, those grifters won’t have the cover they’ve come to enjoy.

 

[atlanta cock#]

what have I ignored? we've been through this:

Republican Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Biden (Published 2020)

The report delivered on Wednesday appeared to be little more than a rehashing of unproven allegations that echoed a Russian disinformation campaign.

www.nytimes.com

I don't think Biden is corrupt - if we see that he is, I'll be surprised, but I am not going to deny the fact at that point - however, it would be counter to everything we know about the man. Look at the budget deal - he had other levers to pull, but didn't, because that's just not his style. Weirdly, he negotiated with a knife at his throat and... won.

I think Biden is corrupt as hell. Even before his dementia set it, he was stupid as hell. The only way he made it was because he’s from a very small state and he learned how to trade off of his position. His entire family did. And he’s married to a power hungry social elite wannabe, who lacks any sense of style, who is worse.

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

You are ignoring the fact that removing Shokin was the stated policy goal of all of the western powers pumping money into Ukraine, which is entirely logical given financial corruption was the primary way Russia was exercising control over the country.

Given the repeated failures of past investigations, I’ll remain skeptical of Republican charges of corruption and fraud until proven in court. We will see how it plays out.

Agreed on the past stuff. And wasn’t moved by any of it then. This looks way different and way worse. And there is an undeniable money trail. What was it for? Why the maze of accounts to get to JB? This one is different. If it gets pursued it disqualifies Biden. If.

 

[willdup]

Until proven, everything is an allegation. Even the indictment of Trump. At least, that’s how our system was designed.

I suggest you do 2 things. First, look at the glee from noted liars like Swalwell, Hillary Clinton and Schiff. Second, note the total lack of curiosity of media such as NYT and WaPo when it comes to virtually any Dem. Then ask yourself if that’s what you really want? Because you know damn good and well retribution and vengeance is coming, and it’s your fault (the Left). With the eventual collapse of legacy media, which I personally believe is coming sooner rather than later, those grifters won’t have the cover they’ve come to enjoy.

I suggest you go back and review how the NY Times and WaPo covered the Clinton Email investigation and the DNC hacking by Russia and how they willingly and loudly amplified everything Trump was saying on both topics.

Suggesting either outlet treated her favorably does not align with history or the facts.

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

I suggest you go back and review how the NY Times and WaPo covered the Clinton Email investigation and the DNC hacking by Russia and how they willingly and loudly amplified everything Trump was saying on both topics.

Suggesting either outlet treated her favorably does not align with history or the facts.

Media was different then. Mainly because no one thought Trump actually had a chance but he was a great ratings grab. Harmless. Since then he became the devil to all media. And the way they cover everything has changed. Everything. Especially since Covid. . It is bad.

 

[atlanta cock#]

I suggest you go back and review how the NY Times and WaPo covered the Clinton Email investigation and the DNC hacking by Russia and how they willingly and loudly amplified everything Trump was saying on both topics.

Suggesting either outlet treated her favorably does not align with history or the facts.

If they covered Clinton the way they’ve gone after Trump virtually daily, she would have been either prosecuted or cut a deal to avoid it. She destroyed evidence she was ordered to safeguard, and she did it with impunity. Your memory and perspective is quite fuzzy. Do you not recall how the young Marxists at NYT forced out an Editor as well as the lefty Bari Weiss because they weren’t towing the hard Lefty line?

 

[DawgWCK]

This happened. Way too much smoke. And while I generally dismiss this stuff on both sides looking for “gotchas” and interpretations of gray areas that will stick, there is real smoke here.

The only reason it isn’t being treated as such is because it is lost in a sea of allegations on both sides - much weaker stuff. I don’t know how this gets explained away.

Every major career ending scandal starts with a little bit of smoke. This one is gonna ignite. I believe there are very important people sweating bullets about this. Or maybe not. Up to the democrats..they may choose to use this as a way to get the old man out.

Regardless pretty clear to me he sold influence for money. Got the guy who was investigating Burisma fired. And likely replaced with a friendlier prosecutor. For money.

Way too much smoke. And this isn’t a porn star payoff (which happened) or keeping classified materials in boxes (which happened). This is getting paid directly by a foreign entity to use your office to benefit they foreign entity.

Biden will not be running for president in 2024.

If one of the Republican candidates have a great summer and overtake Trump in polls by Labor Day then there COULD be a move to take Biden out by the Democrat power brokers. Yes, they will threaten him with this issue but suspect he would go away quietly if they make other stuff go away. I want a DeSantis VS Newsome battle. Just compare the economic records of their states…

 

[DTwnDawg]

This happened. Way too much smoke. And while I generally dismiss this stuff on both sides looking for “gotchas” and interpretations of gray areas that will stick, there is real smoke here.

The only reason it isn’t being treated as such is because it is lost in a sea of allegations on both sides - much weaker stuff. I don’t know how this gets explained away.

Every major career ending scandal starts with a little bit of smoke. This one is gonna ignite. I believe there are very important people sweating bullets about this. Or maybe not. Up to the democrats..they may choose to use this as a way to get the old man out.

Regardless pretty clear to me he sold influence for money. Got the guy who was investigating Burisma fired. And likely replaced with a friendlier prosecutor. For money.

Way too much smoke. And this isn’t a porn star payoff (which happened) or keeping classified materials in boxes (which happened). This is getting paid directly by a foreign entity to use your office to benefit they foreign entity.

Biden will not be running for president in 2024.

He will be lucky if he can still walk in 2024, much less talk....hilarious and sad what a one sided political fascist country we are living in...FBI, and Dept of Justice are just arms of the Dem party
And look what a complete shi+hole on every level the Dem party has turned our county into in less than three yrs

You dont have the money the Biden family has accumulated the last 40 yrs by just being a US Senator, VP, and Pres..Corrupt at the highest level, maybe worse than the Clinton's if thats possible

 

[nice marmot]

If one of the Republican candidates have a great summer and overtake Trump in polls by Labor Day then there COULD be a move to take Biden out by the Democrat power brokers. Yes, they will threaten him with this issue but suspect he would go away quietly if they make other stuff go away. I want a DeSantis VS Newsome battle. Just compare the economic records of their states…

I am guessing the candidate would be Whitmer.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

what have I ignored? we've been through this:

Republican Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Biden (Published 2020)

The report delivered on Wednesday appeared to be little more than a rehashing of unproven allegations that echoed a Russian disinformation campaign.

www.nytimes.com

I don't think Biden is corrupt - if we see that he is, I'll be surprised, but I am not going to deny the fact at that point - however, it would be counter to everything we know about the man. Look at the budget deal - he had other levers to pull, but didn't, because that's just not his style. Weirdly, he negotiated with a knife at his throat and... won.

Is it really that hard to agree that all of these elected officials should be fairly and thoroughly investigated where there's sufficient smoke?

I mean you jumped right to a specific article about a specific person and a specific accusation. Talk about defensive and showing your hand...

 

[atlanta cock#]

what have I ignored? we've been through this:

Republican Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Biden (Published 2020)

The report delivered on Wednesday appeared to be little more than a rehashing of unproven allegations that echoed a Russian disinformation campaign.

www.nytimes.com

I don't think Biden is corrupt - if we see that he is, I'll be surprised, but I am not going to deny the fact at that point - however, it would be counter to everything we know about the man. Look at the budget deal - he had other levers to pull, but didn't, because that's just not his style. Weirdly, he negotiated with a knife at his throat and... won.

You’re citing a NYT article (of course) of which the underlying argument has now been discredited. The whole thing was fake and created by Hillary.

 

[nice marmot]

Is it really that hard to agree that all of these elected officials should be fairly and thoroughly investigated where there's sufficient smoke?

I mean you jumped right to a specific article about a specific person and a specific accusation. Talk about defensive and showing your hand...

huh?

all the howling this morning I can't keep track - weren't we talking about Joe Biden on this thread? oh - look - yes, we were

but the point is also that it's just shadow boxing. politics.

no one - unless the conduct is profoundly egregious - who is wealthy or well to do or well connected will feel real pain.

Hillary didn't get to be president is I guess the worst of it. but she didn't help matters.

 

[nice marmot]

You’re citing a NYT article (of course) of which the underlying argument has now been discredited. The whole thing was fake and created by Hillary.

you're hilarious

you kind of miss her don't you?

 

[poorpreacher]

Wont stick. Never does. Nothing sticks to Democrats.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

huh?

all the howling this morning I can't keep track - weren't we talking about Joe Biden on this thread? oh - look - yes, we were

but the point is also that it's just shadow boxing. politics.

no one - unless the conduct is profoundly egregious - who is wealthy or well to do or well connected will feel real pain.

Hillary didn't get to be president is I guess the worst of it. but she didn't help matters.

I'm sorry you can't read and comprehend the posts you reply.

 

[DawgWCK]

I am guessing the candidate would be Whitmer.

You could be correct. Then compare economics and Covid handling of Michigan VS Florida. I like Governors running, get a taste of how they will govern and how they handle budgets and related. See good and bad of both…

 

[Chopdawg75]

Marjorie Taylor Greene reveals contents of Biden bribery doc

At issue is Ukrainian oil company Burisma, which was facing an investigation from Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin at the time.

justthenews.com

Oh well yeah, if MTG says it, it must be true.

Like the space lasers that started the California wildfires a few years ago.

 

[atlanta cock#]

Oh well yeah, if MTG says it, it must be true.

Like the space lasers that started the California wildfires a few years ago.

The entire Committee has seen it. The Committee includes Dems. If she’s lying or exaggerating, we’d had heard it by now.

 

[willdup]

Oh well yeah, if MTG says it, it must be true.

Like the space lasers that started the California wildfires a few years ago.

Nearly everything she outlines is incorrect.

Shokin wasn’t investigating Burisma.

In fact he wasn’t investigating much of anything.

Which is why all of the western powers wanted Shokin out.

And why Shokin was replaced by a prosecutor who did get more aggressive in investigating corruption.

This BS doesn’t even withstand the most cursory review. Which is why I’m guessing the FBI didn’t pursue it further.

 

[atlanta cock#]

you're hilarious

you kind of miss her don't you?

No, I still read Bari.

As far as Hillary, her husband felt it wise to cheat on her. Repeatedly.

 

[willdup]

The entire Committee has seen it. The Committee includes Dems. If she’s lying or exaggerating, we’d had heard it by now.

You mean this from three days ago?

 

[atlanta cock#]

You mean this from three days ago?

View embedded media

Raskin. C’mon dude. That’s like quoting Sharpton on his properly paid taxes.

Go get someone I can trust.

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

Nearly everything she outlines is incorrect.

Shokin wasn’t investigating Burisma.

In fact he wasn’t investigating much of anything.

Which is why all of the western powers wanted Shokin out.

And why Shokin was replaced by a prosecutor who did get more aggressive in investigating corruption.

This BS doesn’t even withstand the most cursory review. Which is why I’m guessing the FBI didn’t pursue it further.

“I don’t know anything about my son’s business” is an adequate response to this? If it is malarkey tell us why. Why the hell did the Bidens get paid if not for this? If there is a good reason why doesn’t Biden or his son say so?

 

[willdup]

Raskin. C’mon dude. That’s like quoting Sharpton on his properly paid taxes.

Go get someone I can trust.

So MTG is to be taken seriously but not Raskin?

You can chose to respond to the substance of the rebuttal or not, but you can’t claim there wasn’t a very detailed rebuttal.

The substance of the current Republican accusations were fact-checked and proven false several years ago.

This is a desperate attempt at rehashing old news to try and blunt the impact of unprecedented indictments of a former POTUS and current front runner for 2024.

It’s not going to work.

 

[willdup]

“I don’t know anything about my son’s business” is an adequate response to this? If it is malarkey tell us why. Why the hell did the Bidens get paid if not for this? If there is a good reason why doesn’t Biden or his son say so?

Joe is actually not responsible for his adult son, who is under criminal investigation and as such likely not inclined to offer up much of anything. If there is proof of Joe receiving unexplained, multi-million dollar payments then republicans should share that proof. I suspect it would be very damaging to Joe and his administration.

Problem is, they don’t have that proof.