Can someone explain the outrage, directed at Isreal to me?
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yes.
Though I would pushback on the un resolution doing anything. Israel, like every nation, was created through the sword. The people put to the sword are going to eventually fight back.
The rage at Israel is all the work of Satan. Satan hates the first 3 chapters of Genesis and the last 3 chapters of Revelation. It tells how Satan started and how it's not going to end well for him. If Israel survives in the end (which God has promised) then Satan can not and he knows this. Jesus will come back to Jerusalem and that is what Satan is trying to stop.
I am in full support of Israel. My best friend is Jewish. The Jewish people are God's chosen people.
Genesis12:3 "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you". It is a very good idea to support the Jewish people. God has made a one way covenant with the Hebrew people that they will always be here. He also has always disciplined them. But that is their land. It is also their land legally.
When God makes a new heaven and new earth, the city of Jerusalem will have the names of t he 12 tribes of Israel on the city gates and the name of the 12 Jewish apostles on the foundation. I don't understand Believers not understanding this. BTW, I am NOT a dispensationalist. I totally reject dispensationalism.
Whenever the U.S. tries to divide the land of Israel and take away from the Jews we have a natural or financial disaster.
A summary from "Eye to Eye Facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel" by William Koenig:
Over one hundred billion-dollar, record-setting catastrophes and/or events occurred while US presidents George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump were pressuring or calling on Israel to divide their covenant land.
The costliest insurance events, the costliest hurricanes, the largest tornado outbreaks, the famous “Perfect Storm,” the 9/11 terror events, and Hurricane Katrina corresponded to White House pressure on Israel to divide their land.
The US, the UN, and the EU do not have the authority to divide God’s covenant land.
Calling the Israeli-Palestinian talks “Middle East peace talks” is a false narrative.
Jews have a three-thousand-year history with Jerusalem, and Christians have a two-thousand-year history.
The biblical heartland of Israel—Judea, Samaria, and East Jerusalem—is not to be part of an Arab State.
The Bible declares that Jerusalem will become a burdensome stone, and efforts to divide the city and land will lead to Armageddon, the final battle for Jerusalem.
The God of Israel will continue to rebuke those leaders and their nations attempting to divide His land!
I am in full support of Israel. My best friend is Jewish. The Jewish people are God's chosen people.
Genesis12:3 "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you". It is a very good idea to support the Jewish people. God has made a one way covenant with the Hebrew people that they will always be here. He also has always disciplined them. But that is their land. It is also their land legally.
When God makes a new heaven and new earth, the city of Jerusalem will have the names of t he 12 tribes of Israel on the city gates and the name of the 12 Jewish apostles on the foundation. I don't understand Believers not understanding this. BTW, I am NOT a dispensationalist. I totally reject dispensationalism.
Whenever the U.S. tries to divide the land of Israel and take away from the Jews we have a natural or financial disaster.
A summary from "Eye to Eye Facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel" by William Koenig:
Over one hundred billion-dollar, record-setting catastrophes and/or events occurred while US presidents George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump were pressuring or calling on Israel to divide their covenant land.
The costliest insurance events, the costliest hurricanes, the largest tornado outbreaks, the famous “Perfect Storm,” the 9/11 terror events, and Hurricane Katrina corresponded to White House pressure on Israel to divide their land.
The US, the UN, and the EU do not have the authority to divide God’s covenant land.
Calling the Israeli-Palestinian talks “Middle East peace talks” is a false narrative.
Jews have a three-thousand-year history with Jerusalem, and Christians have a two-thousand-year history.
The biblical heartland of Israel—Judea, Samaria, and East Jerusalem—is not to be part of an Arab State.
The Bible declares that Jerusalem will become a burdensome stone, and efforts to divide the city and land will lead to Armageddon, the final battle for Jerusalem.
The God of Israel will continue to rebuke those leaders and their nations attempting to divide His land!
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Serious question for you, what was your position to the United States' response to 9/11 from your "moral high ground" perspective? What occurred on 10/7 when the Palestinians attacked Israel is not only the same but on some levels worse given the barbarism perpetrated on innocent men, women, & children. As stated, there is absolutely no moral equivalence nor symmetry between Hamas' attack on Israel and Israel's actions to get their hostages back and destroy Hamas. I know we would respond identically, if not much more forcefully, if heaven forbid this occurred here!
“Those that believe Israels response to all attacks should be proportional.”
Since Palestinians have no women anybody would want to rape, Israel gets to blow up a disproportionate number of buildings, imo.
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Wonderfully educational truth bomb.
Israel has not killed 1 innocent person. Terrorists who hide behind them and use them as human shields are responsible for every single casualty.
This is one of the, if not the number 1, most black and white issues on the planet
No easy answers….
But in this latest war, I don’t believe I would have started it. Coming into Israel and to murder, rape, torture and kidnap thousands of citizens is incomprehensible for me.
Israel did the right thing to strike back.
Also think that after all of this, if they want peace, they could start with releasing the hostages…..if they are still alive.
I get what you are saying about the US not getting involved……not sure that I agree though. Arguments can be made either way.
War sux, but if you don’t want one…..don’t start it.
Over 2 dozen US citizens were murdered by terrorists on Oct 7. That does not account for the dozen or so that were kidnapped who's fates we do not know.
I would say the US has an obligation to be involved
Very well stated. I would also add that the Islamic religion is a Satanic cult being used by Satan to turn people away from Jesus Christ and to foment evil and destruction towards Christians and Jews and Israel.
Understood, good point.
Biden is playing both sides, not a good look. Pick a side rather than trying to win votes…..not to mention resources going to Ukraine. Just hope that China doesn’t decide to pounce on Taiwan any time soon.
War still sux, but sometimes you have no choice. Just not entirely comfortable with who we have in office.
No issue with supporting Israel, just don’t want too many irons in the fire.
The whole thing just flabbergasts me.
The Palestinians celebrated in the streets, in response to Israel's suffering.
Now that Israel has wiped out some of those streets, they cry foul.
How can you celebrate brutality, then claim victimhood?
Exactly.
Far from being outraged at Israel aggression in their response, I am astounded at Israel’s restraint.
I don’t recall seeing any Palestinian babies with their heads chopped off with a garden hoe.
How many hostages has Israel kidnapped and raped?
If those were my women and children, there would already be no Gaza left.
I’ll go one further. You see the cheering in streets after 10/7, right? This is what the Palestinian people want / wanted. They love the horror. They love the death.
Western minds don’t really understand people who love death.
What % of Gazans object to Hammas? Approximately 0%. They love them.
If you elect a gov’t (and I am aware that it was a takeover) whose goal is to wage war on a neighbor, and you stay there and are happy for said gov’t… do you not bear at least a little responsibility for the actions of that gov’t?
I have spent a lot of time in the vicinity of Gaza. They are not good people. Americans supporting them are a special breed of dumbass. Those celebrating 10/7 were not Hamas; they were Palestinians. All four points in your post are absolutely correct, imo.
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KILL ALL THOSE BASTARDS in that video…sick fanatics of a religion that preaches violence against its enemies
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Exactly. Saten knows God cannot accomplish his promises to Israel if there is no Israel. But it will never happen. Jeremiah 32:35-37 lays it all out.
I want to be on the side of God’s chosen than on the side of evil.
That land is the historical land of Israel the Palestinians are trespassing on their land.
We agree on quite a few things but we will always disagree here.
As the goal post are always you either affirm every action Israel takes or you are on the side of evil.
The reason for this is the theological disagreement between those who ascribe to the covenant theology and those who ascribe to dispensationalism.
Long story short covenant theology holds that Christians are the continuation of God’s chosen people and the third temple is wherever a church building exist. Dispensationalist believe the modern state of Israel is a necessary catalyst for Christ’s return and the Talmudic Jews are God’s chosen people.
It’s a new belief that has only existed for a century and imo it’s wrong.
I very much support the Jewish people, yet I am neither covenant nor a dispensationalist.
It is possible to just be a Believer and support the Jewish people.
Have I made the claim that the American Government occupied the moral high ground?
Most of my time on the chat is spent complaining about Biden and the wickedness of the left wing.
This was a thread where OP asked why there are people outraged at Israel.
I am a dispensationalist and I believe scripture supports that view. I do realize that I'm in the minority on that view. But I can't help it that most are wrong.🤣
Israel ALWAYS hits back harder. Obama took the democrats this direction. In 2011 he wanted Palestine expanded to the pre-1967 borders. Then said the US commitment to Israel's security was "unshakable". Biden is doing the same double-speak. Publicly supporting Israel, privately undermining them .
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What kind of ignorant woke response is this? Proportional? It's a war! And Israel didn't start it. In WWII, we would not accept anything less than unconditional surrender. In order to achieve that goal, we were brutal. Towards the end of the war, we bombed civilian centers. In particular, we dropped incendiary bombs on residential areas in Japan that we knew were made primarily of wood and materials that would fuel huge infernos.
Proportional?
Pppfffttt
Israel checks every box for US liberal hate.
1. Jewish
2. democracy
3 capitalist
4. prosperous
1. Jewish
2. democracy
3 capitalist
4. prosperous
Hamburg also. The religious level of support Hitler and the Emperor had from their people needed to be defeated. Saved lives ultimately. Joe’s flip flopping here is solely about the “uncommitted” vote in Michigan.
While Israel is in Gaza, destroy the 300 miles of tunnels under it. Stay there as long as it takes. Iran will always restock Gaza with more Hamas militants. They'll be less dangerous without the tunnels.
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Even if we presume the bombing of dresden and the policy of unconditional surrender (or even the war itself in europe) was necessary.
Israel is fighting a group that has to weld pipes together to launch mortars.
They aren't fighting the german war machine.
The main issue is that we have a Muslim population in the millions in siege in gaza that are not allowed to be refugees with terrorists among them,.... typically city dwellers flee warfare,...but people of gaza can go nowhere,...the people of gaza need somewhere to flee and it is not only the fault of Israel and USA,...but Egypt, Jordan and nearby nations to provide sanctuary,...many countries can provide an answer not just the USA
You can also put a lot of blame on George W. Bush. In August 2005 he forced the Israelis to abandon Gaza and leave their homes and businesses, thus giving the Israelis land away. They should have never been forced to leave to support Bush's land for peace deal. The day they left Gaza Hurricane Katrina formed off the African coast. And there has yet to be peace.
