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NonDawg CEO Killer is a hero or villain?

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yea the other option is to go kill someone
You could argue that’s exactly what healthcare companies do. My mother was denied a drug in 2016 that helped her live with Lupus it was $9k a month for the drug and her insurance company decided they would no longer pay for the drug. Six weeks later she was dead.
 
Meh CEO followed the line and did far worse! Play stupid games with peoples lives and lived ones and your going to find some Martyrs
I feel for you clay, our daughter got turned down for even going to the hospital she thought she was having a heart attack. Turned out she has blocked arteries in her spine. Her health provider has denied her to go to a specialist. And I might add her provider is Blue Cross Blue Shield and I have heard that they are one of the worse providers in the country. We are going to see what a lawyer says about this and if she has a case.
 
Sorry mods non political just curious since not much in the news as to everyone’s thoughts. Please delete if not allowed.
Is the guy who murdered a man by shooting him in the back because he did not like the product/ service he bought, a hero?

Weird times we’re living in.
 
Well you could say the CEO walked the company line and made millions off the death and suffering of others. Remember Heathcare is a right to all of us
Healthcare is a right?

The right to bear arms, free speech, cholesterol meds.
 
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Well he made millions off the pain, suffering and death of others that’s why. You make is sound simple yet how many folks died from being Denied care under his watch. What insurance companies do is pre mediated as well.
This is honestly a pretty dumb statement. I do understand where ur coming from. These insurance companies are raking it it with not a ton of push back. He was the CEO of a big health insurance company. Are health insurance companies making lots of money off people, yes. Has it been happening since before anyone here was born, yes? Why congress/senate not fixed this issue? Ask yourself that. You saying what you said is almost as crazy as this “how many people have died behind the wheel looking at their iPhone. It’s apple’s fault”. Not quite apples to apples, but you get the point. A CEO of a company should never be shot in cold blood. If he did something wrong, let the courts charge him and let him have his day in court to decide.
 
Is the guy who murdered a man by shooting him in the back because he did not like the product/ service he bought, a hero?

Weird times we’re living in.
Is the guy he shot and killed not a killer himself ?
 
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Do you know what the denial rate is on Necessary treatment in this country especially surgical?

For those like me whom never use it and pay $15k + a year?

It’s over 50%! Imagine needing something to better your life that you have a 100% right too and being denied!
It sound like you are a customer who is dissatisfied with the product you paid for. Don’t buy it anymore, would be my recommendation. Everyone knows UHC is basically worthless insurance, buy something better.

And if you’re mad at someone, be mad at your state’s insurance commissioner . Google who that person is and complain to them.

They have the power, with the stroke of a pen, to decide what kinds of plans can be sold in your state. Too bad all of them are in the pocket of UHC Anyway. They make $120k/ year, but if they go easy on UHC while they’re serving, they get $500k/ jobs doing basically nothing.
 
It sound like you are a customer who is dissatisfied with the product you paid for. Don’t buy it anymore, would be my recommendation. Everyone knows UHC is basically worthless insurance, buy something better.

And if you’re mad at someone, be mad at your state’s insurance commissioner . Google who that person is and complain to them.

They have the power, with the stroke of a pen, to decide what kinds of plans can be sold in your state. Too bad all of them are in the pocket of UHC Anyway. They make $120k/ year, but if they go easy on UHC while they’re serving, they get $500k/ jobs doing basically nothing.
I don’t have UHC and that’s not the point they are all the same way
 
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Sure he is at worst an accessory he’s the man at the top
Okay. If you think a healthcare CEO is a murderer or accessory to a murder, then you have an obligation to call the police and report that.

Let me know how that works out for you.
 
No and you would take his job in a heart beat without thinking twice if you were qualified. Just like all the Reddit neckbeards who make $14 an hour and live at their mom’s house.
No I actually wouldn’t because I’m not a morally bankrupt scumbag.

But we’ll bought out retort by you lol
 
Okay. If you think a healthcare CEO is a murderer or accessory to a murder, then you have an obligation to call the police and report that.

Let me know how that works out for you.
lol there are a lot folks out there far worse than that
 
No I actually wouldn’t because I’m not a morally bankrupt scumbag.

But we’ll bought out retort by you lol
Absolutely nobody believes you. Continue with your virtue signaling though.

The same person who claims it's ok to murder a husband and father by shooting him IN THE BACK because of a job he holds- a completely legal job that the government I'm sure you white knight for has every opportunity to regulate whenever and however it sees fit- would absolutely not turn down a $20,000,000 a year job because of some moral high ground.
 
Absolutely nobody believes you. Continue with your virtue signaling though.

The same person who claims it's ok to murder a husband and father by shooting him IN THE BACK because of a job he holds- a completely legal job that the government I'm sure you white knight for has every opportunity to regulate whenever and however it sees fit- would absolutely not turn down a $20,000,000 a year job because of some moral high ground.
lol you really are clueless haven’t been around long have you. I know this conception is hard for you but there are actually folks happy in this world that wouldn’t sell their soul to the devil. I myself help run a non profit on the side and give 10% of my income to underprivileged kids whom have nothing.

I don’t need a corporate God job to make $20,000,000
 
It sound like you are a customer who is dissatisfied with the product you paid for. Don’t buy it anymore, would be my recommendation. Everyone knows UHC is basically worthless insurance, buy something better.

And if you’re mad at someone, be mad at your state’s insurance commissioner . Google who that person is and complain to them.

They have the power, with the stroke of a pen, to decide what kinds of plans can be sold in your state. Too bad all of them are in the pocket of UHC Anyway. They make $120k/ year, but if they go easy on UHC while they’re serving, they get $500k/ jobs doing basically nothing.
I think you are missing the point here.

First, the murder here was not justified and the shooter should and will be prosecuted for the crimes he committed.

Now the but. An increasing number of people in this country feel they play by the rules but that the game is rigged. In my view, they are right.

Money has always purchased power and influence in DC, but Citizens United has completely eliminated the need for even the pretense of fairness, appropriateness or equity. Wealth in this country is the most concentrated amongst a very small group it’s been since the Gilded Age. This concentration is not healthy or sustainable.

The entirely broken healthcare system is simply one of the most egregious and impactful examples of how broken we are. We are the only developed nation on the planet that does not provide some form of universal healthcare to our population. We are the only developed nation on the planet where hundreds of thousands of people every year declare bankruptcy due to their medical costs, while companies like USHC take in tens of billions in profits by employing policies that are at best heartless and at worst actually evil.

Look at political violence during the Gilded Age. When wealth is this concentrated and the system is this slanted against the interest of the majority, violence follows. We can expect more of this in the future.
 
I think you are missing the point here.

First, the murder here was not justified and the shooter should and will be prosecuted for the crimes he committed.

Now the but. An increasing number of people in this country feel they play by the rules but that the game is rigged. In my view, they are right.

Money has always purchased power and influence in DC, but Citizens United has completely eliminated the need for even the pretense of fairness, appropriateness or equity. Wealth in this country is the most concentrated amongst a very small group it’s been since the Gilded Age. This concentration is not healthy or sustainable.

The entirely broken healthcare system is simply one of the most egregious and impactful examples of how broken we are. We are the only developed nation on the planet that does not provide some form of universal healthcare to our population. We are the only developed nation on the planet where hundreds of thousands of people every year declare bankruptcy due to their medical costs, while companies like USHC take in tens of billions in profits but employing policies that are at best heartless and at worst actually evil.

Look at political violence during the Gilded Age. When wealth is this concentrated and the system is this slanted against the interest of the majority, violence follows. We can expect more of this in the future.
Your side rigged it.
 
Your side rigged it.
I intentionally refrained from engaging in a “my side/your side” debate because both parties and the system itself hold plenty of responsibility for the current state of the country. If you can’t acknowledge that, you are a pawn of a system that is successfully distracting you and getting you to blame the wrong people.
 
I intentionally refrained from engaging in a “my side/your side” debate because both parties and the system itself hold plenty of responsibility for the current state of the country. If you can’t acknowledge that, you are a pawn of a system that is successfully distracting you and getting you to blame the wrong people.
Yep that’s the intention pure distraction
 
I intentionally refrained from engaging in a “my side/your side” debate because both parties and the system itself hold plenty of responsibility for the current state of the country. If you can’t acknowledge that, you are a pawn of a system that is successfully distracting you and getting you to blame the wrong people.
Dude, I'm glad you're back. But your side engaged in the most rigged two-tiered system of entitlement and lawfare and disinfo PSYOPs in the past 4 years than I've ever seen.

Take a knee and enjoy the holidays. 🎄🎅🏻
 
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Dude, I'm glad you're back. But your side engaged in the most rigged two-tiered system of entitlement and lawfare and disinfo PSYOPs in the past 4 years than I've ever seen.

Take a knee and enjoy the holidays. 🎄🎅🏻
And the nine and counting billionaires and other assorted industry shills coming in as part of the next administration are going to be looking out for the little guy? I think not, but we are going to find out.

I’m not back and my disengagement from the Chat has objectively improved my outlook on a day to day basis. It’s just that this is a topic I’ve thought a lot about and it’s a great example of an issue that transcends party politics.
 
I know @claydawg99 is a well known troll, but I’m going to bite anyway. OP’s horrible take is exhibit A for the downside of populism; people start taking extreme positions outside of the bounds of traditional ideology.
 
I know @claydawg99 is a well known troll, but I’m going to bite anyway. OP’s horrible take is exhibit A for the downside of populism; people start taking extreme positions outside of the bounds of traditional ideology.
It’s not a troll it’s a serious question nor is it a horrible take if you’ve been in the heart of the argument. Millions are denied coverage across the board year and year out by all healthcare companies and thousands of your fellow citizens die at the hands of policies that were meant to protect the shareholders and not the patients. It’s a legitimate argument
 
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Well he made millions off the pain, suffering and death of others that’s why. You make is sound simple yet how many folks died from being Denied care under his watch. What insurance companies do is pre mediated as well.
And while we are at it Mr. Multimillionaire, smarter than everyone else investor, your portfolio contain any funds with healthcare, insurance? How about companies that have manufacturing in China? XinJiang? Got any Nike products that were made by Uyghur Child Slaves? How much have YOU made off the pain and suffering of others?

You are such a f-ing loudmouth hypocrite..

100% villian.
 
And while we are at it Mr. Multimillionaire, smarter than everyone else investor, your portfolio contain any funds with healthcare, insurance? How about companies that have manufacturing in China? XinJiang? Got any Nike products that were made by Uyghur Child Slaves? How much have YOU made off the pain and suffering of others?

You are such a f-ing loudmouth hypocrite..

100% villian.
lol who said I was smart those are your words I’m just a normal guy.

You went a bit over the top here and a bit off topic
 
When you murder someone you’re ALWAYS the villain AND a coward.
So I guess the medical directors at these healthcare companies should be held accountable as well. After all they are deciding the fate of 1000’s of citizens whom are denied coverage and die right?
 
It’s not a troll it’s a serious question nor is it a horrible take if you’ve been in the heart of the argument. Millions are denied coverage across the board year and year out by all healthcare companies and thousands of your fellow citizens die at the hands of policies that were meant to protect the shareholders and not the patients. It’s a legitimate argument
Questioning the business practices of insurance companies doesn’t justify premeditated murder.
 
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