So Jerry Plauche was a villain and a coward? I’m not saying the answer is no, but this is an example I always think of when asked if a murder can be justified.
NonDawg CEO Killer is a hero or villain?
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If they deny with policies in place to save a dollar isn’t pre meditated murder? Just because they don’t touch the patient it’s the same right?
The healthcare lobby is a leviathan on the state and federal level. They have more lobbyist than imaginable especially at the federal level. Doling out millions in political support and donations to our legislative bodies...on both sides of the aisle. Literally a money printing machine for the carriers and lawmakers.
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The last few years during the debate on healthcare reform many times "Death Panels" were referenced. The Death Panels already exist in the large corporate carriers in the form of Medical directors and claim review boards comprised of Panels of MDs and Specilists that review claims coverage, payments and appeals. These Panels are on retainer by the carriers and yes are making daily life and death decisions.
There is not a single Republican or Democrat serving as state insurance commissioner anywhere who has the balls to regulate the insurance products.
Ex.- several states enacted rules in the last five years that you were not allowed to sell insurance in their state, unless you cover hearing aids for deaf children. The only reason I’m aware of this is that I’m the parent of a deaf child.
Literally the stroke of a pen (and some fugging balls) and you control what plans can/ cannot be sold in your state.
And not a single man of character serving anywhere. From either political party.
They all can be bought and paid for...and sold out if they resist. The healthcare lobby is a untouchable Cash Cow....with the citizens and insureds paying the tab.
I think healthcare lobby is too broad. Physicians have notoriously weak lobbies.
Health insurance lobby is more accurate.
Maybe correct...carriers control providers...not in network....no patients in the waiting room or getting care. The carriers beat the hell outta the providers and the fact there's only 5-6 giant national carriers with a few regionals mixed in doesn't help.
Not to oversimplify, but private companies work to extract as much profit as possible. That’s actually a good thing and that is their job. Capitalism.
It is the governemtn’s job to regulate them.
And state insurance commissioner’s are refusing to do that. They need to make significantly more money, sign agreements preventing them from EVER Working or consulting foe the companies they regulate, etc.
The laws already exist. We simply don’t use them.
Don’t get mad at UHC, they’re playing their role and tying to maximize profits. Get mad at the government (state and federal) who refuses to protect us.
We do not have unregulated capitalism, we have regulated capitalism which is the best system. But the regulators need to be real men of character and stand up for families.
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No one should be shot. That’s always the wrong answer.
But the anger should be directed at the regulator who allows UHC to act this way.
Imagine if six state insurance regulators all band together and said that we are not going to let to sell insurance in our states unless you cover these procedures, drugs, and cover them cheaply.
Anthem and UHC would comply immediately. We need to direct our anger at the right place.
Unfortunately, federal oversight of most industries is about to become significantly less stringent.
But beyond that, a few thoughts about your comments.
I would argue that corporations have responsibilities beyond simply extracting as much profit as they possibly can for their shareholders. Ethical leadership should be an expectation at all corporations and ethics are not defined solely as adherence with the law. Proper capitalism should and must include the social compact of being responsible members of the capitalist system.
And regarding UHC specifically, they have the highest claim rejection rate in the industry and their net profit is nearly 2x the next most profitable carrier. So yes, they are worthy of additional scrutiny and anger as compared to their peer group.
The BCBS organizations started out as mostly non-profit. That has changed over the years as many have merged or consolidated into several much larger Blues organizations. Anthem is one of the mega Blues encompassing several states...including Georgia. We have definitely seen Anthems influence here in Ga. I was previously insured with them thru the state merit health plans. With the advent of Obamacare the state merit jumped right in line offering the Gold,Silver and Bronze plans across several carriers...the other big one was UHC. I worked in the industry for 25+ years....for a carrier...sales and service and in sales Brokerage for all the usual suspects in 6 to 7 states in the S.E. BCBS, UHC, Humana, Cigna, Aetna et al... They all have issues and are profit driven as they should be...but the coverage and claims process is a virtual minefield for the insureds. I have been out for awhile....and it seems worse than ever unfortunately. I was always client and insured focus as a rep and unfortunately got deeply involved with the claims process multiple times...what a nightmare. My favorite saying was health insurance is a necessity but is so onerus as it effects peoples Health, families and money.... If you want to piss people off this will do it. Govt takeover is not the answer....when has DC ever run anything efficiently....look at Social Security and Medicare. The Canadian and European models are OK till you are really sick...alot of care is rationed at that point or waiting lists for major procedures. I do not have a panacea to suggest but something needs to be done.
Hard to fight a 10,000 pound Gorilla....with a literal Army of Attorneys on their payroll or on their retainer.
Many politicians run for office and come in with good intentions... unfortunately that seems to fade quickly in most cases. I was a licensed agent for over 30 years and was intimately aware and involved with the state laws, regulatory processes and mandates etc... for GA. and other states. If Ga. declined to allow UHC, Anthem for example it would further limit competition...which would be cost inflationary at the minimum. Every premium dollar that is paid across all lines of coverage pays a State Premium tax to the state of Georgia. When I was actively selling it was about 3% of premium. It has been awhile...could be more or I doubt less. Maybe it's on a graded scale of premium revenue. Very little incentive to run off or prohibit a carrier from offering coverage...loss of revenue to the state would be substantial.
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Exactly. And no one would run them off. No one is walking away from GA and def no one is walking away from GA, FL, SC, etc combined.
They threatened to pull coverage when Washington require them to pay for hearing aids for deaf children (imagine taking their side of the argument, good lord) and of course they wer bluffing. They’re not going anywhere.
None of their CEOs is intentionally taking a 15% top line revenue cut. They will cover whatever the regulators tell them to cover.
Assuming we had a functioning regulatory system. Which we don’t.
exactly
lots of free health care for some while the others pay for it and get denied
So what you are saying is if someone is bleeding out you don’t have a right to be saved? Thats crazy lol
You're just as twisted as the murderer. Lets all be vigilantes and kill all those we disagree with or don't like. SMH
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This is literally the dumbest response possible, free of both context and critical thinking.
Congratulations.
You have literally justified the killing and equated over-arching insurance denial (regardless of context or reason) to murder. It's disgusting and I'm not sure you have demonstrated the basic intelligence to discuss the subject. The bar was low and you failed to meet even those low expectations. I hope all the sharp edges in your abode are protected with toddler "oopsie" padding.
Please tell me you're in a group home & not responsible for another human's well-being. Holy crap.
you called him a hero. I guess you just want others to do it for you. There is no covering for your inward desires that you have made public. SMH you are what comes out of you.
"lol"
Figures. You can't respond with anything remotely logical or even mildly intelligent. You effectively justified the killing. Disgusting.
lol okayThis is literally the dumbest response possible, free of both context and critical thinking.
Congratulations.
meh no more disgusting than a guy banking in millions on the death and suffering of others
Again, you fail to respond with anything remotely intelligent. I'm sensing a pattern.
Given your previous responses, I'm going to assume you were unjustly denied a claim for a severe head injury. So, I'll try to help you out: You're mad at the wrong group of people. Just because there is room for improvement doesn't mean executives are worthy of being murdered.
What an incredibly evil outlook.
Executive? Or guy that runs the company that deny people coverage and they die….
What’s the difference in what happened to him versus what his policies and procedures do to others that die. He runs the company , he calls the shots , his rules lead thousands of death at the hands of HIS company.
If your buddy commits a murder and your. the driver in the get away car you’re just as guilty.
Your entire argument is based on logical fallacies, incredibly dumb reasoning, and such insanely low-intelligence understanding of literally every single issue at hand, that I cannot fathom how you are able to function on a daily basis.
Beyond all that, the moral equivalency you advocate demonstrates an inherently evil outlook on life. Your starting position in this argument makes it impossible to have an intelligent conversation. You are clearly both defending and advocating murder in ways that are incompatible with modern, non-barbaric society.
I hope that you're just the all-hat, no cattle cowboy you're clearly portraying...but, the simple-minded responses makes me question it.
Your position here is beyond the pale and everyone should judge you moving forward for your completely evil justification of an inexcusable, cold-blooded murder. The more details that come out about the shooter, the worse you will look.
Congratulations.
Lmao! You got me it’s a message board pal! Old man screams at clouds … little boy cries wolf! Logical fallacies goodness 😂
More nonsense. Not surprised, you have nothing to defend the evil you're justifying. Sorry for using "logic", as it's clearly difficult for you.
To avoid any more multi-syllable words, here's my response: "LOL", "LMAO", and "YGTBFKM"
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