Delta variant - today's sensational headline that was wrong...

[BigDaddyDawgBreath]

Newsweek ran with it. It is still a top headline that pops on Google and as of last check People magazine still had this story up.

"Mississippi health director says 10 children on life support with Delta variant".

10 Children Put on Life Support as Delta Variant Surges in Mississippi

Ten of 12 children who were in intensive care units in Mississippi Tuesday for treatment of COVID-19 were on life support, the state's top health official said.

www.newsweek.com

Except it was not true.

Dobbs apologizes before correcting number of Mississippi children in ICU with COVID

State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs issued an apology Tuesday evening before correcting the number of Mississippi children in the ICU with COVID.

www.wlox.com

You have to search pretty hard in Google to find the correction and apology. I personally went looking for it because that initial claim just did not add up to any known reality. If I as a layman had skepticism enough not to jump on this, why didn't the Mississippi health director?

The narrative is still not adding up on Delta. The media and public health autocracy is shrieking about Delta and unvaccinated, and I do not dismiss some statements are factual - but factual comments out of context can be made into falsehoods.

For example- if high Delta percentage plus high unvaccinated equals more spread, why do Wyoming, South Dakota, and the rest of the central and interior West still have not seen any effects at all from Delta?

That truth invalidates the claim Delta + high unvaccinated equals more COVID. Full stop.

The only places seeing an uptick in cases are further south. Interestingly about this time last year southern areas saw an uptick in cases which later subsided. The "Sunbelt Surge".

What if - once again - seasonality again is the actual explanation?

Because it *cannot* be Delta + unvaccinated when there is such lack of consistent correlation (South Dakota alone with 75% Delta percentage and only 45% fully vaccinated)...

 

[Mike_the_Dawg]

Thanks for the research and keeping the record straight.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

At my primary for a check up. The tech taking my vitals just told me they hadn't seen a lot of positive cases the past couple of months until Delta hit the news cycles big time and the uptick that they are currently seeing are largely vaccinated people, specifically Pfizer.

That's all I've got.

 

[BigDaddyDawgBreath]

At my primary for a check up. The tech taking my vitals just told me they hadn't seen a lot of positive cases the past couple of months until Delta hit the news cycles big time and the uptick that they are currently seeing are largely vaccinated people, specifically Pfizer.

That's all I've got.

Here is the problem with the Delta narrative- there is no apparent solid correlation between states or countries seeing an uptick and Delta prevalence.

The media talks about UK or Missouri (where Delta prevalence is high) but does not talk about Wyoming or South Dakota which also have high Delta prevalence but no change in cases.

Or they just parrot the White House/CDC/Fauci line that "Delta is causing increased cases in unvaccinated and therefore everybody has to be vaccinated" - when the single highest case increase location in the world where Delta is prevalent is the UK which has possibly the highest vaccination percentage in the world.

All these basic facts are simply ignored and they scream the narrative louder to achieve the behavioral outcome they want.

Nothing has changed with them after over a year of this. It is a maddening as it is wrong, and also at thus point predictable.

 

[BigDaddyDawgBreath]

And to be clear, I do not agree with some folks like Berenson arguing that vaccines are not helping. There is some reason the UK is seeing a much bigger jump in cases than in hospitalizations, and vaccines are the most likely explanation.

But we cannot even begin to try to understand what is working and what is not when it is *always* screaming the narrative, the facts be damned.

 

[ugateke24]

At my primary for a check up. The tech taking my vitals just told me they hadn't seen a lot of positive cases the past couple of months until Delta hit the news cycles big time and the uptick that they are currently seeing are largely vaccinated people, specifically Pfizer.

That's all I've got.

My wife is has been im management for one of the big urgent care/hospital chains and i can verify that the Delta variant are vaccinated individuals by a large majority.

Speculations among doctors is the Vaccine somehow causes it but they don't know by what mechinism.

They also think the mass vaccination isn't a good idea and is possible causing the virus to be worse than if we just let this thing run its coarse.

 

[EufaulaDawg]

Newsweek ran with it. It is still a top headline that pops on Google and as of last check People magazine still had this story up.

"Mississippi health director says 10 children on life support with Delta variant".

10 Children Put on Life Support as Delta Variant Surges in Mississippi

Ten of 12 children who were in intensive care units in Mississippi Tuesday for treatment of COVID-19 were on life support, the state's top health official said.

www.newsweek.com

Except it was not true.

Dobbs apologizes before correcting number of Mississippi children in ICU with COVID

State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs issued an apology Tuesday evening before correcting the number of Mississippi children in the ICU with COVID.

www.wlox.com

You have to search pretty hard in Google to find the correction and apology. I personally went looking for it because that initial claim just did not add up to any known reality. If I as a layman had skepticism enough not to jump on this, why didn't the Mississippi health director?

The narrative is still not adding up on Delta. The media and public health autocracy is shrieking about Delta and unvaccinated, and I do not dismiss some statements are factual - but factual comments out of context can be made into falsehoods.

For example- if high Delta percentage plus high unvaccinated equals more spread, why do Wyoming, South Dakota, and the rest of the central and interior West still have not seen any effects at all from Delta?

That truth invalidates the claim Delta + high unvaccinated equals more COVID. Full stop.

The only places seeing an uptick in cases are further south. Interestingly about this time last year southern areas saw an uptick in cases which later subsided. The "Sunbelt Surge".

What if - once again - seasonality again is the actual explanation?

Because it *cannot* be Delta + unvaccinated when there is such lack of consistent correlation (South Dakota alone with 75% Delta percentage and only 45% fully vaccinated)...

View embedded media

Are the flu stats available?

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

My wife is has been im management for one of the big urgent care/hospital chains and i can verify that the Delta variant are vaccinated individuals by a large majority.

Speculations among doctors is the Vaccine somehow causes it but they don't know by what mechinism.

They also think the mass vaccination isn't a good idea and is possible causing the virus to be worse than if we just let this thing run its coarse.

There was a thread a few weeks ago about Delta's spike in India and numbers UK was reporting showing as many vaccinated people being infected and even dying as unvaccinated. I asked if anyone found it strange that India had an outbreak coming off of so many vaccines being issued.

Are we seeing the same thing here in the USA? I doubt we'll get info from our media as the only thing being pushed is the unvaccinated and children in particular are doomed, but it would be interesting to hear from folks how many vaccinated cases are appearing in their circles.

The significance here is that enough vaccinated people seem to have symptoms worthy of getting tested in the first place compared to the unvaccinated who we would expect to raise a hand after infection.

The shocking thing in my case was that the tech didn't say there were just a noticeable number of vaccinated cases, but that it was the vast majority of cases they are seeing to the point they were able to see a clear trend of Pfizer recipients. Obviously she couldn't share exact numbers.

 

[Mike_the_Dawg]

Your weekly CDC update:
As of 7/14/2021
Population of U.S citizens under 18 years of age: 75,000,000+
335 deaths TOTAL in nearly 19 months from covid
186 deaths from Influenza
49,000+ deaths from other causes...

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

Your weekly CDC update:
As of 7/14/2021
Population of U.S citizens under 18 years of age: 75,000,000+
335 deaths TOTAL in nearly 19 months from covid
186 deaths from Influenza
49,000+ deaths from other causes...

Good thing our kids are wearin masks.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

There was a thread a few weeks ago about Delta's spike in India and numbers UK was reporting showing as many vaccinated people being infected and even dying as unvaccinated. I asked if anyone found it strange that India had an outbreak coming off of so many vaccines being issued.

Are we seeing the same thing here in the USA? I doubt we'll get info from our media as the only thing being pushed is the unvaccinated and children in particular are doomed, but it would be interesting to hear from folks how many vaccinated cases are appearing in their circles.

The significance here is that enough vaccinated people seem to have symptoms worthy of getting tested in the first place compared to the unvaccinated who we would expect to raise a hand after infection.

The shocking thing in my case was that the tech didn't say there were just a noticeable number of vaccinated cases, but that it was the vast majority of cases they are seeing to the point they were able to see a clear trend of Pfizer recipients. Obviously she couldn't share exact numbers.

I hope the kooks aren't right and we're starting to see the effects of antibody-dependent immune enhancement.

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

I want numbers of previous covid cases getting the Delta variant. Is it above 1?

 

[EufaulaDawg]

Your weekly CDC update:
As of 7/14/2021
Population of U.S citizens under 18 years of age: 75,000,000+
335 deaths TOTAL in nearly 19 months from covid
186 deaths from Influenza
49,000+ deaths from other causes...

Must be the lowest flu death total ever?????
Covid ate up the flu?
WTH

 

[BDawg64]

Narratives aside, I know a physician who works in Mercy Hospital in Springfield, MO. Arguably they are currently experiencing the worst local COVID outbreak in the nation. They have over 140 COVID patients in the hospital and just opened their 6th COVID ICU. That is overwhelming for a hospital that size. Over 95% of the hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated on admission. Delta or not, the high rate of unvaccinated is the significant contributor to their current problem.

My hospital is seeing an uptick, but nothing like that. As of today, every COVID admission to my hospital this month are unvaccinated patients. We do not test for delta.

I know many co-workers who got the vaccine early this year who got COVID in the past 1-2 months. All mild symptoms and no hospitalizations. I do not know if they had delta or not.

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

Narratives aside, I know a physician who works in Mercy Hospital in Springfield, MO. Arguably they are currently experiencing the worst local COVID outbreak in the nation. They have over 140 COVID patients in the hospital and just opened their 6th COVID ICU. That is overwhelming for a hospital that size. Over 95% of the hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated on admission. Delta or not, the high rate of unvaccinated is the significant contributor to their current problem.

My hospital is seeing an uptick, but nothing like that. As of today, every COVID admission to my hospital this month are unvaccinated patients. We do not test for delta.

I know many co-workers who got the vaccine early this year who got COVID in the past 1-2 months. All mild symptoms and no hospitalizations. I do not know if they had delta or not.

Can you tell me if any of the unvaccinated that now have covid, ever got covid before?

 

[BDawg64]

Can you tell me if any of the unvaccinated that now have covid, ever got covid before?

Do not have that information

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

Do not have that information

It's weird. Every virus in history has some natural immunity after having it, to some level. But not this one? Or no one will report it?

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

It's weird. Every virus in history has some natural immunity after having it, to some level. But not this one? Or no one will report it?

Also weird that natural immunity was trashed so early in the pandemic despite the lack of research and time to make such an assessment.

Even weirder that the solution is to use an mRNA injection to program your body to make a spike protein that looks like one of the spike proteins on the virus so that your immune system can make antibodies to fight off future infections including possible variants.

So why are antibodies created to target the specific spike protein more effective and longer lasting than antibodies created to target the virus in its "natural" form? It only makes some sense for people who haven't been exposed to consider vaccination to reduce their risk of severe infection, but why are survivors encouraged to get the shot?

Why are antibody tests for the fully vaccinated discouraged? Wouldn't positive tests give people more confidence to see that a vaccine is working as far as establishing antibodies?

I'm just asking questions.

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

Also weird that natural immunity was trashed so early in the pandemic despite the lack of research and time to make such an assessment.

Even weirder that the solution is to use an mRNA injection to program your body to make a spike protein that looks like one of the spike proteins on the virus so that your immune system can make antibodies to fight off future infections including possible variants.

So why are antibodies created to target the specific spike protein more effective and longer lasting than antibodies created to target the virus in its "natural" form? It only makes some sense for people who haven't been exposed to consider vaccination to reduce their risk of severe infection, but why are survivors encouraged to get the shot?

Why are antibody tests for the fully vaccinated discouraged? Wouldn't positive tests give people more confidence to see that a vaccine is working as far as establishing antibodies?

I'm just asking questions.

Absolutely great questions. I'm sure the media will debate these and will circle back to us with very good answers.

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

And early on, Fauci said 50% survivors and vaccinated would get us to herd immunity, then upped it to 60%, then 70%, now it is only 70% vaccinated, and Biden pushing for 100% vaccinated. Just weird.

 

[BDawg64]

It's weird. Every virus in history has some natural immunity after having it, to some level. But not this one? Or no one will report it?

I believe having the virus first and then getting vaccinated gives the best long term immunity as compared to other scenarios. That was reported sometime in the past week or two.

 

[BDawg64]

Also weird that natural immunity was trashed so early in the pandemic despite the lack of research and time to make such an assessment.

Even weirder that the solution is to use an mRNA injection to program your body to make a spike protein that looks like one of the spike proteins on the virus so that your immune system can make antibodies to fight off future infections including possible variants.

So why are antibodies created to target the specific spike protein more effective and longer lasting than antibodies created to target the virus in its "natural" form? It only makes some sense for people who haven't been exposed to consider vaccination to reduce their risk of severe infection, but why are survivors encouraged to get the shot?

Why are antibody tests for the fully vaccinated discouraged? Wouldn't positive tests give people more confidence to see that a vaccine is working as far as establishing antibodies?

I'm just asking questions.

Natural immunity means that 70% (or whatever number needed for true herd immunity) of the population gets the virus and all of its ramifications. I do not think that we wanted this virus to pass through everybody. With about 10% of the population (as far as we know) getting covid and 600K+ dying, imagine those numbers extrapolated to the whole population.

Better situation is for immunization of the same number and all of its ramifications with the understanding that the vaccine may not be totally benign for all. Given what we are seeing, the covid vaccine is certainly less pathologic than the actual virus itself.

The spike protein is the outer protein of the virus. Your natural immune system makes antibodies to all parts of the virus, most of which are inside the virus capsule. If you were designing a defense system to recognize a foreign invader, you want the surface to be the thing you recognize first, not the inner parts. I believe the mRNA spike vaccine to be a genius medial development which will be used moving forward for all virus vaccines.

I have seen that the most robust immunity is in those who first got the virus and then later got the vaccine. Probably because they have immunity against multiple components of the virus not just the spike.

Antibody tests, or lack thereof, for the fully vaccinated is something I do not quite understand either. We get those for other viral vaccines such as Hep B.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

Natural immunity means that 70% (or whatever number needed for true herd immunity) of the population gets the virus and all of its ramifications. I do not think that we wanted this virus to pass through everybody. With about 10% of the population (as far as we know) getting covid and 600K+ dying, imagine those numbers extrapolated to the whole population.

Better situation is for immunization of the same number and all of its ramifications with the understanding that the vaccine may not be totally benign for all. Given what we are seeing, the covid vaccine is certainly less pathologic than the actual virus itself.

The spike protein is the outer protein of the virus. Your natural immune system makes antibodies to all parts of the virus, most of which are inside the virus capsule. If you were designing a defense system to recognize a foreign invader, you want the surface to be the thing you recognize first, not the inner parts. I believe the mRNA spike vaccine to be a genius medial development which will be used moving forward for all virus vaccines.

I have seen that the most robust immunity is in those who first got the virus and then later got the vaccine. Probably because they have immunity against multiple components of the virus not just the spike.

Antibody tests, or lack thereof, for the fully vaccinated is something I do not quite understand either. We get those for other viral vaccines such as Hep B.

For clarity, the context of "natural immunity" I used was an individual perspective of immunity by infection vs vaccination. My point was there was a narrative pushed from early on that natural immunity wouldn't be effective for long so everyone would need a vaccine and boosters.

We struggled to accurately identify suspected cases and hardly any meaningful research on asymptomatic cases, so how would anyone know the effectiveness of immunity from infection?

Also, there's still debate on re-infection.

Good stuff from you BTW!

 

[doug518]

Newsweek ran with it. It is still a top headline that pops on Google and as of last check People magazine still had this story up.

"Mississippi health director says 10 children on life support with Delta variant".

10 Children Put on Life Support as Delta Variant Surges in Mississippi

Ten of 12 children who were in intensive care units in Mississippi Tuesday for treatment of COVID-19 were on life support, the state's top health official said.

www.newsweek.com

Except it was not true.

Dobbs apologizes before correcting number of Mississippi children in ICU with COVID

State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs issued an apology Tuesday evening before correcting the number of Mississippi children in the ICU with COVID.

www.wlox.com

You have to search pretty hard in Google to find the correction and apology. I personally went looking for it because that initial claim just did not add up to any known reality. If I as a layman had skepticism enough not to jump on this, why didn't the Mississippi health director?

The narrative is still not adding up on Delta. The media and public health autocracy is shrieking about Delta and unvaccinated, and I do not dismiss some statements are factual - but factual comments out of context can be made into falsehoods.

For example- if high Delta percentage plus high unvaccinated equals more spread, why do Wyoming, South Dakota, and the rest of the central and interior West still have not seen any effects at all from Delta?

That truth invalidates the claim Delta + high unvaccinated equals more COVID. Full stop.

The only places seeing an uptick in cases are further south. Interestingly about this time last year southern areas saw an uptick in cases which later subsided. The "Sunbelt Surge".

What if - once again - seasonality again is the actual explanation?

Because it *cannot* be Delta + unvaccinated when there is such lack of consistent correlation (South Dakota alone with 75% Delta percentage and only 45% fully vaccinated)...

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And in the sports world look at this fear porn. 1400 cases in a city of 37M people. But all the average person will see is "cases at an all-time high"

Tokyo virus cases at 6-month high as Games near

New coronavirus cases surged to 1,308 in Tokyo on Thursday, a six-month high, as fears rise of a possible dramatic increase that could flood hospitals during the Olympics that start in eight days.

www.espn.com

 

[willdup]

And in the sports world look at this fear porn. 1400 cases in a city of 37M people. But all the average person will see is "cases at an all-time high"

Tokyo virus cases at 6-month high as Games near

New coronavirus cases surged to 1,308 in Tokyo on Thursday, a six-month high, as fears rise of a possible dramatic increase that could flood hospitals during the Olympics that start in eight days.

www.espn.com

What exactly makes this article "fear porn"? Let's recap what the article states.

• new cases have reached a six month high
• the city is under a state of emergency and there will be no attendees at the events, restaurant hours will be limited and and no alcohol will be served during the games.
• the trendline of new cases is concerning
• the largest increase in hospitalizations is among those under 50 and largely unvaccinated
• the significantly more contagious delta variant is becoming prevalent
• new cases have been steadily increasing and may reach several thousand new cases per day during the games (yes i recognize that this is less not more reason for concern)
• a medical advisor for the city of Tokyo is concerned that younger, unvaccinated people will be out celebrating during the Olympics and lead to more cases

So those are key points made in the article. Which of these represent "fear porn"? Half of the article are statements of fact and the other half are the opinions of people who seem to be qualified to opine on the topic at hand.

 

[ugateke24]

Must be the lowest flu death total ever?????
Covid ate up the flu?
WTH

No just a push to classify every corona type virus as Covid-19.

You don't see an explanation about this anywhere either.

 

[willdup]

No just a push to classify every corona type virus as Covid-19.

You don't see an explanation about this anywhere either.

That's just not true, and there are a multitude of explanations from reputable sources on this topic.

Here are the first four returns to the google search "why are flu cases so low".

Covid-19 Story Tip: Flu Cases Dramatically Low So Far This Season

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Flu Cases Decline Dramatically This Season

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

COVID-19 Is Surging but Flu Cases Are Down: Here's Why

Flu activity remains surprisingly low this year, largely in part to the safety precautions in place to prevent COVID-19. Furthermore, overall flu vaccination rates are strong. There’s still time for the flu to explode, though.

www.healthline.com

Why the Flu Season Almost Disappeared This Year

Flu season has been mild this year, thanks to the measures used to contain COVID-19, such as mask wearing, physical distancing, and school closures.

www.healthline.com

 

[Mike_the_Dawg]

Straight from the CDC...
335 deaths.....75,000,000 people
Fatality rate .00000046
19 months
No one in their right mind could possibly justify the need for a vaccine for those under 18.

 

[NickLed18]

I believe having the virus first and then getting vaccinated gives the best long term immunity as compared to other scenarios. That was reported sometime in the past week or two.

So I am good?

 

[Dawgs2001GATA]

My wife is has been im management for one of the big urgent care/hospital chains and i can verify that the Delta variant are vaccinated individuals by a large majority.

Speculations among doctors is the Vaccine somehow causes it but they don't know by what mechinism.

They also think the mass vaccination isn't a good idea and is possible causing the virus to be worse than if we just let this thing run its coarse.

So now the vaccines are causing covid cases??

I'm willing to bet it has more to do with vaccinated people feeling invincible and not using any precautions anymore.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

So now the vaccines are causing covid cases??

The simplest explanation is that vaccinated people have "returned to normal" thus allowing the virus to spread easier than when many were still practicing mitigation efforts.

While some might say "duh", it's important to acknowledge this out in the open because many people believed that the vaccines were supposed to provide prevention against getting Covid-19 and thus significantly slowing if not eventually stopping the spread. That was the early narrative put forth in the media by medical and political authorities.

The reality is at best the vaccines reduce your chances of developing severe illness or potentially death. So the only way we beat this virus is effectively herd immunity the old fashioned way aided by these vaccines minimizing severe cases while the virus spreads and runs its course.

Of course even that goes out the window if Delta, Lambda, and any other variant beat the vaccines. Then we're back to square 1. People in France, Greece, and other countries have taken to the streets over suggestions of forced vaccination so people worldwide might not be willing to go back.

Who knows where we're heading.

 

[fandawg]

Newsweek ran with it. It is still a top headline that pops on Google and as of last check People magazine still had this story up.

"Mississippi health director says 10 children on life support with Delta variant".

10 Children Put on Life Support as Delta Variant Surges in Mississippi

Ten of 12 children who were in intensive care units in Mississippi Tuesday for treatment of COVID-19 were on life support, the state's top health official said.

www.newsweek.com

Except it was not true.

Dobbs apologizes before correcting number of Mississippi children in ICU with COVID

State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs issued an apology Tuesday evening before correcting the number of Mississippi children in the ICU with COVID.

www.wlox.com

You have to search pretty hard in Google to find the correction and apology. I personally went looking for it because that initial claim just did not add up to any known reality. If I as a layman had skepticism enough not to jump on this, why didn't the Mississippi health director?

The narrative is still not adding up on Delta. The media and public health autocracy is shrieking about Delta and unvaccinated, and I do not dismiss some statements are factual - but factual comments out of context can be made into falsehoods.

For example- if high Delta percentage plus high unvaccinated equals more spread, why do Wyoming, South Dakota, and the rest of the central and interior West still have not seen any effects at all from Delta?

That truth invalidates the claim Delta + high unvaccinated equals more COVID. Full stop.

The only places seeing an uptick in cases are further south. Interestingly about this time last year southern areas saw an uptick in cases which later subsided. The "Sunbelt Surge".

What if - once again - seasonality again is the actual explanation?

Because it *cannot* be Delta + unvaccinated when there is such lack of consistent correlation (South Dakota alone with 75% Delta percentage and only 45% fully vaccinated)...

View embedded media

I have been in and out of ICU in Charlotte due to my 80 year old mother having health issues. I basically know everyone in this ICU as you get to know them when you there everyday. I have been told by my Moms lung doctor that over 95% of Covid Patients in this hospitals ICU are unvaccinated patients. I trust what he says over any media or anyone on here posting what they “think” is correct info.

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

I have been in and out of ICU in Charlotte due to my 80 year old mother having health issues. I basically know everyone in this ICU as you get to know them when you there everyday. I have been told by my Moms lung doctor that over 95% of Covid Patients in this hospitals ICU are unvaccinated patients. I trust what he says over any media or anyone on here posting what they “think” is correct info.

Please ask how many are unvaccinated with no prior covid infection vs unvaccinated with prior covid infection. Thanks.

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

That's just not true, and there are a multitude of explanations from reputable sources on this topic.

Here are the first four returns to the google search "why are flu cases so low".

Covid-19 Story Tip: Flu Cases Dramatically Low So Far This Season

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Flu Cases Decline Dramatically This Season

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

COVID-19 Is Surging but Flu Cases Are Down: Here's Why

Flu activity remains surprisingly low this year, largely in part to the safety precautions in place to prevent COVID-19. Furthermore, overall flu vaccination rates are strong. There’s still time for the flu to explode, though.

www.healthline.com

Why the Flu Season Almost Disappeared This Year

Flu season has been mild this year, thanks to the measures used to contain COVID-19, such as mask wearing, physical distancing, and school closures.

www.healthline.com

Because covid is the 2020 flu.

 

[willdup]

Because covid is the 2020 flu.

600k or so dead people and their loved ones disagree with that statement but I doubt there are any set of facts, statistics or studies that will change your mind.

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

600k or so dead people and their loved ones disagree with that statement but I doubt there are any set of facts, statistics or studies that will change your mind.

Yeah my dad has covid on his death certificate too…….

 

[3 Pete]

Please ask how many are unvaccinated with no prior covid infection vs unvaccinated with prior covid infection. Thanks.

Israel picked up on this.
40% of their new infections are people that have been vaccinated.
1% of new infections are people with natural immunity from having had the virus.
Natural immunity appears to be superior than vaccinated immunity.

 

[richb1]

This was studied in Israel.
40% of their new infections are people that have been vaccinated.
1% of their new infections are people with natural immunity from having had the virus.
Natural immunity is far superior than vaccinated immunity.

stipulating that statistics without full context are dangerous when it comes to covid, the following is a bit troubling given israel was almost exclusively Pfizer

More than 1,000 Israelis test positive for COVID

PM Bennett: Vaccine ‘significantly less’ effective against the Delta variant

www.jpost.com

 

[elderdawg]

I hope the kooks aren't right and we're starting to see the effects of antibody-dependent immune enhancement.

So does that mean if the "kooks" are right, that it is the "experts" calling them "kooks", that are the real kooks?

 

[BigDaddyDawgBreath]

Narratives aside, I know a physician who works in Mercy Hospital in Springfield, MO. Arguably they are currently experiencing the worst local COVID outbreak in the nation. They have over 140 COVID patients in the hospital and just opened their 6th COVID ICU. That is overwhelming for a hospital that size. Over 95% of the hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated on admission. Delta or not, the high rate of unvaccinated is the significant contributor to their current problem.

My hospital is seeing an uptick, but nothing like that. As of today, every COVID admission to my hospital this month are unvaccinated patients. We do not test for delta.

I know many co-workers who got the vaccine early this year who got COVID in the past 1-2 months. All mild symptoms and no hospitalizations. I do not know if they had delta or not.

Not sure how someone can look at data and dismiss that vaccines appear to drive down hospitalization. Which is what they were designed to do.

I also don't know how someone can look at data and not have serious questions that vaccines stop *case spread*. Which they were not designed to do anyway.