Delta variant - today's sensational headline that was wrong...

[BDawg64]

Not sure how someone can look at data and dismiss that vaccines appear to drive down hospitalization. Which is what they were designed to do.

I also don't know how someone can look at data and not have serious questions that vaccines stop *case spread*. Which they were not designed to do anyway.

Yeah it’s really tough. We’ve never dealt with a virus like this in our lifetime. This Vaccine has helped with the most important factor- hospitalizations/ICU admissions. We (my hospital system) were at a point last spring that if you came in with appendicitis or some other fully survivable condition, we were not sure we had the resources to do the surgery. And we are the largest hospital system in our state. Since vaccination, we have markedly reduced our hospitalization rate of infected patients. effectively rendering Covid as what we typically experience with the flu.

Have vaccines stopped the spread? I believe they have. I also believe that the rate of vaccinated patients who get Covid after will be underestimated since most relatively be asymptotic and not seek testing.

All I can say is that getting these vaccines out so quickly has probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives. If delta hit an unvaccinated population, it would have gotten ugly. If we really take the politics out of this (hard to do), we will look back on the rapid development of these vaccines within one year as a medical marvel. I am so thankful that children were almost completely immune from the worst of this virus. I shudder to think what would have happened to our society with children being affected the same as adults. Go Dawgs!

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

If @willdup , @mitchelldawg , @Jimy jenga , et al call a doctor a kook, I will listen to that person over anyone they suggest.

I like that @icwdawg posted a statement that less than 1% of natural covid people are getting Delta, but I was playing golf. A link, please? I'm drankin bourbon now, so I ain't gonna be good at lookin up skirts, much less lookin up facts...

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

Yeah it’s really tough. We’ve never dealt with a virus like this in our lifetime. This Vaccine has helped with the most important factor- hospitalizations/ICU admissions. We (my hospital system) were at a point last spring that if you came in with appendicitis or some other fully survivable condition, we were not sure we had the resources to do the surgery. And we are the largest hospital system in our state. Since vaccination, we have markedly reduced our hospitalization rate of infected patients. effectively rendering Covid as what we typically experience with the flu.

Have vaccines stopped the spread? I believe they have. I also believe that the rate of vaccinated patients who get Covid after will be underestimated since most relatively be asymptotic and not seek testing.

All I can say is that getting these vaccines out so quickly has probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives. If delta hit an unvaccinated population, it would have gotten ugly. If we really take the politics out of this (hard to do), we will look back on the rapid development of these vaccines within one year as a medical marvel. I am so thankful that children were almost completely immune from the worst of this virus. I shudder to think what would have happened to our society with children being affected the same as adults. Go Dawgs!

Please tell me about unvaccinated, but prior covid sufferers. Are they in your hospital system?

 

[wcbowen]

If @willdup , @mitchelldawg , @Jimy jenga , et al call a doctor a kook, I will listen to that person over anyone they suggest.

I like that @icwdawg posted a statement that less than 1% of natural covid people are getting Delta, but I was playing golf. A link, please? I'm drankin bourbon now, so I ain't gonna be good at lookin up skirts, much less lookin up facts...

Yes natural immunity is better than vaccine but you had to gotten the virus to get natural immunity. There are risks with getting the virus. I will take my chances with the vaccine.

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

Where you at @willdup?

 

[BDawg64]

Please tell me about unvaccinated, but prior covid sufferers. Are they in your hospital system?

I’m not an infectious disease specialist, but that population is very hard to quantify. I cannot tell if the current inpatients had prior infection or not. Many people probably got Covid and didn’t get tested. And they usually do not get antibody testing (proof of prior infection) when they come in.


If you are asking about prior Covid infection and future risk, I do believe that natural immunity is good but natural immunity plus vaccine is better.

 

[3 Pete]

I like that @icwdawg posted a statement that less than 1% of natural covid people are getting Delta, but I was playing golf. A link, please?

Here ya go
Natural Immunity > Vaccination Immunity

 

[Dawgdocindosta]

Your weekly CDC update:
As of 7/14/2021
Population of U.S citizens under 18 years of age: 75,000,000+
335 deaths TOTAL in nearly 19 months from covid
186 deaths from Influenza
49,000+ deaths from other causes...

And yet there are 22 deaths per 100,00 (5,954 in 2019) due to suicide. That includes up to age 24 just to be clear. Right from the NIMH website. But by all means, let’s concentrate on those 335 (which are terribly unfortunate and heartbreaking).
JC

 

[BigDaddyDawgBreath]

Have vaccines stopped the spread? I believe they have

This is hard to sustain with confidence at this point IMO.

As exhibit A: fitting the UK data into this hypothesis is hard to do at face value. One of the highest vaccination rates in the world, but then this happened with case counts:

covid-19 cases united kingdom - Google Search

www.google.com

But when you scroll down and look at hospitalizations in the UK, they are far lower than in any previous surge in case counts.

The whole maniacal drive to force us all to get vaccinated (including our children) is built on the premise that vaccinations stop spread. That is the *only* ethical justification for making me or my children take a vaccination we would not otherwise take in our own judgment.

But... the UK. So far the only theory that holds there is vaccines protecting the person who got it and no one else. And that means we need to keep encouraging the vulnerable to get the vaccines while not forcing anyone to do anything - because individual consent to medical procedures must be violated.

 

[BDawg64]

This is hard to sustain with confidence at this point IMO.

As exhibit A: fitting the UK data into this hypothesis is hard to do at face value. One of the highest vaccination rates in the world, but then this happened with case counts:

covid-19 cases united kingdom - Google Search

www.google.com

But when you scroll down and look at hospitalizations in the UK, they are far lower than in any previous surge in case counts.

The whole maniacal drive to force us all to get vaccinated (including our children) is built on the premise that vaccinations stop spread. That is the *only* ethical justification for making me or my children take a vaccination we would not otherwise take in our own judgment.

But... the UK. So far the only theory that holds there is vaccines protecting the person who got it and no one else. And that means we need to keep encouraging the vulnerable to get the vaccines while not forcing anyone to do anything - because individual consent to medical procedures must be violated.

I have not see that. That is great news from the UK. I’m not advocating forcing anybody to do anything they don’t want to do. FWIW I am not getting my elementary aged children vaccinated unless I see a compelling reason. The best reason to get vaccinated today if you have not already is that over 99% of Covid deaths this month are in unvaccinated people. Do with that what you will