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How did Democrats become the party of pedos

Absolutely no one is suggesting that sexual abuse of minors by those in a position of authority doesn't happen. It always has and sadly it will continue to happen in the future. Schools, churches and youth groups such as the Boy Scouts will continue to attract those sick individuals who want to target minors for their own sexual gratification.

The question that we are discussing here is how do the institutions in question work to protect their population of minors and how do they respond when something happens? You seem to be suggesting that pedophilia is being promoted by the institutions in question and that is just not the case when discussing school system. Are there sometimes systemic failures? Of course. But that in no way means that "the libs" are working to promote an environment of permissiveness regarding pedophilia. It just isn't true.

As an aside, you posted a fantastic example of news and statistics being turned into propaganda. The Fox article references 181 cases on sex crimes in schools in the first half of this year. That is horrific and sounds like we have a growing problem. But there are some questions not asked or answered as part of the article.
  • There are approximately 3.7 million K-12 teachers in this country. As such, what does the 181 cases represent? Is that more, less or the same as in the past as a percentage of the total population of teachers?
  • How many of these cases can be attributed to the practice of allowing accused teachers to move on to other school systems (passing the trash) who then committed crimes? That is the kind of institutional failure that the Catholic church was so rightly criticised for but was prompted by an inclination to protect the institution at all costs, not by a lib-led loosening of sexual mores.
Nothing in any of those articles suggest that pedophilia is increasing in schools due to the loosening of sexual mores in general.
Not sure if this is more or less than what used to happen but this study from the Dept of education and Hofstra shows 9.6% of students reported sexual misconduct by an educator. But certainly would suggest that schools are a great place for pedophiles to groom new victims.

 
Absolutely no one is suggesting that sexual abuse of minors by those in a position of authority doesn't happen. It always has and sadly it will continue to happen in the future. Schools, churches and youth groups such as the Boy Scouts will continue to attract those sick individuals who want to target minors for their own sexual gratification.

The question that we are discussing here is how do the institutions in question work to protect their population of minors and how do they respond when something happens? You seem to be suggesting that pedophilia is being promoted by the institutions in question and that is just not the case when discussing school system. Are there sometimes systemic failures? Of course. But that in no way means that "the libs" are working to promote an environment of permissiveness regarding pedophilia. It just isn't true.

As an aside, you posted a fantastic example of news and statistics being turned into propaganda. The Fox article references 181 cases on sex crimes in schools in the first half of this year. That is horrific and sounds like we have a growing problem. But there are some questions not asked or answered as part of the article.
  • There are approximately 3.7 million K-12 teachers in this country. As such, what does the 181 cases represent? Is that more, less or the same as in the past as a percentage of the total population of teachers?
  • How many of these cases can be attributed to the practice of allowing accused teachers to move on to other school systems (passing the trash) who then committed crimes? That is the kind of institutional failure that the Catholic church was so rightly criticised for but was prompted by an inclination to protect the institution at all costs, not by a lib-led loosening of sexual mores.
Nothing in any of those articles suggest that pedophilia is increasing in schools due to the loosening of sexual mores in general.
The very fact the articles are displaying is the rise in the number of cases we see, is certainly proof there is a problem.
I'm sure there were examples in our times as students (K-12) of teachers acting inappropriately with students (it was all in secret for sure).
Today's society seems to want to force the issue down our throats and upon the innocent children. The fact is this is becoming an issue that parents are now aware of, Pedo's teaching children about sexual issues, Drag queen's reading to grade school kids. Can you remember that happening when we were growing up?
 
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Should we keep going? How many ex-Speakers of the House are Serial Child Molesters...oh, that's right Dennis Hastert. Also, current Trump MAGA darling Matt Gaetz is under quite a bit of suspicion.

However, the Grandaddy of all child sexual abuse has to be that old right-wing bastion of the Catholic Church...

Maybe you should read less Q-anon
Neither of you is totally correct. it is all of DC, both parties and rampant within the government. Epstein is just the lastest story to come out, but this has been going on forever.

To wit:

Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush
‘Call boys' took midnight tour of White House


Paul M. Rodriguez and George Archibald
The Washington Times
June 29, 1989

A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides and US and foreign businessmen with close social ties to Washington's political elite, documents obtained by The Washington Times reveal.

One of the ring's high-profile clients was so well-connected, in fact, that he could arrange a middle-of-the-night tour of the White House for his friends on Sunday, July 3, of last year. Among the six persons on the extraordinary 1 a.m. tour were two male prostitutes.

Federal authorities, including the Secret Service, are investigating criminal aspects of the ring and have told male prostitutes and their homosexual clients that a grand jury will deliberate over the evidence throughout the summer, The Times learned.

Reporters for this newspaper examined hundreds of credit-card vouchers, drawn on both corporate and personal cards and made payable to the escort service operated by the homosexual ring. Many of the vouchers were run through a so-called "sub-merchant" account of the Chambers Funeral Home by a son of the owner, without the company's knowledge.

Among the client names contained in the vouchers - and identified by prostitutes and escort operators - are government officials, locally based US military officers, businessmen, lawyers, bankers, congressional aides and other professionals.

Editors of The Times said the newspaper would print only the names of those found to be in sensitive government posts or positions of influence. "There is no intention of publishing names or facts about the operation merely for titillation," said Wesley Pruden, managing editor of The Times.

The office of US Attorney General Jay B. Stephens, former deputy White House counsel to President Reagan, is coordinating federal aspects of the inquiry but refused to discuss the investigation or grand jury actions.

Several former White House colleagues of Mr. Stephen are listed among clients of the homosexual prostitution ring
, according to the credit card records, and those persons have confirmed that the charges were theirs.

Mr. Stephen's office, after first saying it would cooperate with The Times' inquiry, withdrew the offer late yesterday and also declined to say whether Mr. Stephens would recuse himself from the case because of possible conflict of interest.

At least one highly placed Bush administration official and a wealthy businessman who procured homosexual prostitutes from the escort services operated by the ring are cooperating with the investigation, several sources said.

Among clients who charged homosexual prostitutes services on major credit cards over the past 18 months are Charles K. Dutcher, former associate director of presidential personnel in the Reagan administration, and Paul R. Balach, Labor Secretary Elizabeth Dole's political personnel liaison to the White House.

In the 1970s, Mr. Dutcher was a congressional aide to former Rep. Robert Bauman, Maryland Republican, who resigned from the House after admitted having engaged in sexual liaisons with teen-age male prostitutes. Mr. Dutcher also worked on the staff of Vice President Dan Quayle when he represented an Indiana district in the House.

A charge also was discovered against the credit card of a former White House staffer who prepared the president's daily news summary in the Reagan administration. Todd A Blodgett said he had not made the charge.

One of the ring's big spending clients is Craig J. Spence, Washington socialite and international trade consultant, according to documents and interviews with operators and prostitutes who say they engaged in sexual activities with Mr. Spence.

Mr. Spence spent upwards of $20,000 a month for male prostitutes who provided sex to him and his friends, said to include military personnel who also acted as his "bodyguards." It was Mr. Spence who arranged the nocturnal tour of the Reagan White House. Repeated attempts to reach Mr. Spence by telephone, fax machine and personal visits to his home, were unsuccessful.

Credit card vouchers confirm that Mr. Spence charged thousands of dollars on American Express and Visa cards, sometimes making $600 charges against his cards several times a day, drawn in behalf of an escort service called Professional Services Inc.

Members of major news organizations also procured escort services from the ring, credit card documents show. These include Stanley Mark Tapscott, who was an assistant managing editor of The Washington Times.

Mr. Tapscott, whose resignation on June 20 was accepted, said he had not procured homosexual escorts or sexual services of any kind. He said in an interview that he had talked to two women he arranged to meet through the escort service as part of an investigation of a dial-a-porn services he had initiated a year earlier when he was editor of the newspaper's Money section. The charges were made against his company American Express card. His editors knew of no such investigation.

Before joining The Times, Mr. Tapscott worked for the Office of Personnel Management in the Reagan administration.

Managers of the escort ring said that "a few women" were used for clients who called with specific requests but that the regular stable was altogether male.

The documents show that a number of clients — lawyers, doctors and business executives — used corporate credit cards to procure escort services and that a number of military officers from the United States and allied countries — including one foreign officer using a "Department of Defence" credit card — charged male escort services.

One former top-level Pentagon officer said that for the past eight years, military and civilian intelligence authorities have been concerned that "a nest of homosexuals" at top levels of the Reagan administration may have been penetrated by Soviet-backed espionage agents posing as male prostitutes, said one former top-level Pentagon official.

A major concern, said the former official with longtime ties to top-ranking military intelligence officers, was that hostile foreign intelligence services were using young male prostitutes to compromise top administration homosexuals, thus making them subject to blackmail.

"We have known for many, many years that there is a department of the KGB [Soviet intelligence] whose job it is to prey on sexual deviants," said retired Lt. Gen. Daniel Graham, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Because "closet" homosexuals in government service can be easily "turned" through blackmail for espionage purposes, Gen. Graham said, "we have always in intelligence tried very hard not to be giving classified information to known homosexuals."

Those interviewed by The Times confirmed that there were blackmail attempts by male prostitutes who wanted money and other favors to protect clients' sexual lives.

The clients interviewed say a Feb. 28 police raid on a house at 6004 34th Place NW was set off by reports of blackmail and possible credit-card fraud complaints and by District hotel operators about prostitution activities.

In the raid, spearheaded by the Washington Field Office of the U.S. Secret Service, authorities found a telephone switchboard operation serving a half-dozen homosexual escort services.

Secret Service agents and District police vice investigators confiscated financial records, as well as ledgers, photos, diaries, telephone records, Rolodexes and client lists of the prostitution network, during the raid and with subsequent subpoenas issued by D.C. Superior Court.

Although the confiscated material was turned over to District police on the scene, witnesses and law enforcement agents say the Secret Service kept one box containing names and other information about high-level government officials who were clients of the male escort business.

District police officials say that, to their knowledge, this is the first time the Secret Service has ever become involved in such a raid in this area.

Initially, the Secret Service denied it was involved in the raid, but after a second raid of the 34th Place house on May 18, the agency acknowledged its involvement in the investigation.


Secret Service spokesman Bob Snow said the agency participated in the search and seizure operation because of its jurisdiction over credit card fraud. "We come into such operations usually at the request of a U.S. attorney … if the fraud involves $10,000 or more … We are not involved in any local prostitution investigation," said Mr. Snow.

Witnesses to the February raid said 12 Secret Service agents in blue parkas entered the house and spent several hours collecting and removing boxes of files.

Federal and District investigators have since interrogated several prostitutes working for the ring, as well as clients of homosexual escort services operating under such names as Jovan, Man-to-Man, Metrodate, Ultimate Models and Ultimate First Class.

In addition to credit-card fraud, the investigation is said to be focused on illegal interstate prostitution, abduction and use of minors for sexual perversion, extortion, larceny and related illicit drug trafficking and use by prostitutes and their clients.

One of the chief operators of Professional Services Inc. and a regular client of the service speculated in separate interviews that the investigation would be restricted because "big names" were involved.

"Henry Vinson [the operator] said a high level official is going to try to block the investigation and may succeed," said Mr. Balach, the labor secretary's liaison to the White House. Mr. Vinson said he believes a highly placed federal official, whom he would not name, is working to derail the investigation, but he would not elaborate.

Authorities have been investigating possible credit card fraud by the ring operators since last fall.

[…]

Operators of the ring told The Times that videotapes, audio tapes and still photographs were made of sex acts performed by clients and the call boys, including perverted acts.

Documents show that customers were charged for "videotapes" from the operation.
 
Neither of you is totally correct. it is all of DC, both parties and rampant within the government. Epstein is just the lastest story to come out, but this has been going on forever.

To wit:

Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush
‘Call boys' took midnight tour of White House


Paul M. Rodriguez and George Archibald
The Washington Times
June 29, 1989

A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides and US and foreign businessmen with close social ties to Washington's political elite, documents obtained by The Washington Times reveal.

One of the ring's high-profile clients was so well-connected, in fact, that he could arrange a middle-of-the-night tour of the White House for his friends on Sunday, July 3, of last year. Among the six persons on the extraordinary 1 a.m. tour were two male prostitutes.

Federal authorities, including the Secret Service, are investigating criminal aspects of the ring and have told male prostitutes and their homosexual clients that a grand jury will deliberate over the evidence throughout the summer, The Times learned.

Reporters for this newspaper examined hundreds of credit-card vouchers, drawn on both corporate and personal cards and made payable to the escort service operated by the homosexual ring. Many of the vouchers were run through a so-called "sub-merchant" account of the Chambers Funeral Home by a son of the owner, without the company's knowledge.

Among the client names contained in the vouchers - and identified by prostitutes and escort operators - are government officials, locally based US military officers, businessmen, lawyers, bankers, congressional aides and other professionals.

Editors of The Times said the newspaper would print only the names of those found to be in sensitive government posts or positions of influence. "There is no intention of publishing names or facts about the operation merely for titillation," said Wesley Pruden, managing editor of The Times.

The office of US Attorney General Jay B. Stephens, former deputy White House counsel to President Reagan, is coordinating federal aspects of the inquiry but refused to discuss the investigation or grand jury actions.

Several former White House colleagues of Mr. Stephen are listed among clients of the homosexual prostitution ring
, according to the credit card records, and those persons have confirmed that the charges were theirs.

Mr. Stephen's office, after first saying it would cooperate with The Times' inquiry, withdrew the offer late yesterday and also declined to say whether Mr. Stephens would recuse himself from the case because of possible conflict of interest.

At least one highly placed Bush administration official and a wealthy businessman who procured homosexual prostitutes from the escort services operated by the ring are cooperating with the investigation, several sources said.

Among clients who charged homosexual prostitutes services on major credit cards over the past 18 months are Charles K. Dutcher, former associate director of presidential personnel in the Reagan administration, and Paul R. Balach, Labor Secretary Elizabeth Dole's political personnel liaison to the White House.

In the 1970s, Mr. Dutcher was a congressional aide to former Rep. Robert Bauman, Maryland Republican, who resigned from the House after admitted having engaged in sexual liaisons with teen-age male prostitutes. Mr. Dutcher also worked on the staff of Vice President Dan Quayle when he represented an Indiana district in the House.

A charge also was discovered against the credit card of a former White House staffer who prepared the president's daily news summary in the Reagan administration. Todd A Blodgett said he had not made the charge.

One of the ring's big spending clients is Craig J. Spence, Washington socialite and international trade consultant, according to documents and interviews with operators and prostitutes who say they engaged in sexual activities with Mr. Spence.

Mr. Spence spent upwards of $20,000 a month for male prostitutes who provided sex to him and his friends, said to include military personnel who also acted as his "bodyguards." It was Mr. Spence who arranged the nocturnal tour of the Reagan White House. Repeated attempts to reach Mr. Spence by telephone, fax machine and personal visits to his home, were unsuccessful.

Credit card vouchers confirm that Mr. Spence charged thousands of dollars on American Express and Visa cards, sometimes making $600 charges against his cards several times a day, drawn in behalf of an escort service called Professional Services Inc.

Members of major news organizations also procured escort services from the ring, credit card documents show. These include Stanley Mark Tapscott, who was an assistant managing editor of The Washington Times.

Mr. Tapscott, whose resignation on June 20 was accepted, said he had not procured homosexual escorts or sexual services of any kind. He said in an interview that he had talked to two women he arranged to meet through the escort service as part of an investigation of a dial-a-porn services he had initiated a year earlier when he was editor of the newspaper's Money section. The charges were made against his company American Express card. His editors knew of no such investigation.

Before joining The Times, Mr. Tapscott worked for the Office of Personnel Management in the Reagan administration.

Managers of the escort ring said that "a few women" were used for clients who called with specific requests but that the regular stable was altogether male.

The documents show that a number of clients — lawyers, doctors and business executives — used corporate credit cards to procure escort services and that a number of military officers from the United States and allied countries — including one foreign officer using a "Department of Defence" credit card — charged male escort services.

One former top-level Pentagon officer said that for the past eight years, military and civilian intelligence authorities have been concerned that "a nest of homosexuals" at top levels of the Reagan administration may have been penetrated by Soviet-backed espionage agents posing as male prostitutes, said one former top-level Pentagon official.

A major concern, said the former official with longtime ties to top-ranking military intelligence officers, was that hostile foreign intelligence services were using young male prostitutes to compromise top administration homosexuals, thus making them subject to blackmail.

"We have known for many, many years that there is a department of the KGB [Soviet intelligence] whose job it is to prey on sexual deviants," said retired Lt. Gen. Daniel Graham, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Because "closet" homosexuals in government service can be easily "turned" through blackmail for espionage purposes, Gen. Graham said, "we have always in intelligence tried very hard not to be giving classified information to known homosexuals."

Those interviewed by The Times confirmed that there were blackmail attempts by male prostitutes who wanted money and other favors to protect clients' sexual lives.

The clients interviewed say a Feb. 28 police raid on a house at 6004 34th Place NW was set off by reports of blackmail and possible credit-card fraud complaints and by District hotel operators about prostitution activities.

In the raid, spearheaded by the Washington Field Office of the U.S. Secret Service, authorities found a telephone switchboard operation serving a half-dozen homosexual escort services.

Secret Service agents and District police vice investigators confiscated financial records, as well as ledgers, photos, diaries, telephone records, Rolodexes and client lists of the prostitution network, during the raid and with subsequent subpoenas issued by D.C. Superior Court.

Although the confiscated material was turned over to District police on the scene, witnesses and law enforcement agents say the Secret Service kept one box containing names and other information about high-level government officials who were clients of the male escort business.

District police officials say that, to their knowledge, this is the first time the Secret Service has ever become involved in such a raid in this area.

Initially, the Secret Service denied it was involved in the raid, but after a second raid of the 34th Place house on May 18, the agency acknowledged its involvement in the investigation.


Secret Service spokesman Bob Snow said the agency participated in the search and seizure operation because of its jurisdiction over credit card fraud. "We come into such operations usually at the request of a U.S. attorney … if the fraud involves $10,000 or more … We are not involved in any local prostitution investigation," said Mr. Snow.

Witnesses to the February raid said 12 Secret Service agents in blue parkas entered the house and spent several hours collecting and removing boxes of files.

Federal and District investigators have since interrogated several prostitutes working for the ring, as well as clients of homosexual escort services operating under such names as Jovan, Man-to-Man, Metrodate, Ultimate Models and Ultimate First Class.

In addition to credit-card fraud, the investigation is said to be focused on illegal interstate prostitution, abduction and use of minors for sexual perversion, extortion, larceny and related illicit drug trafficking and use by prostitutes and their clients.

One of the chief operators of Professional Services Inc. and a regular client of the service speculated in separate interviews that the investigation would be restricted because "big names" were involved.

"Henry Vinson [the operator] said a high level official is going to try to block the investigation and may succeed," said Mr. Balach, the labor secretary's liaison to the White House. Mr. Vinson said he believes a highly placed federal official, whom he would not name, is working to derail the investigation, but he would not elaborate.

Authorities have been investigating possible credit card fraud by the ring operators since last fall.

[…]

Operators of the ring told The Times that videotapes, audio tapes and still photographs were made of sex acts performed by clients and the call boys, including perverted acts.

Documents show that customers were charged for "videotapes" from the operation.
Sad account of our so called leaders from both sides. Degeneracy knows no bounds or party line.
 
Overwhelmingly? White Catholics supported Trump in 2016 more than Evangelicals. However, overall Catholics are split roughly 50/50 amongst Dems and Pubs.
The ideologist debate process. Argue the mundane to ignore the elephant in the room.

The push for sexual deviance is strong within the government coffers. While God saw this coming, our founding Fathers never fathomed having to argue over providing medical services for illegals while our citizens are strapped with a $31 trillion dollar debt or whether a man has rights within our laws of being legally recognized as a woman.

They never even imagined that we would opt the route of Nazi Germany type genocide on human life within the womb. That level of unconscious evil could have even been considered.

The pendulum of human existence within our country’s boundaries has moved to such a level of self indulgence over respect for our fellow man, it’s hard to recognize what we are.

We promote diversity which creates no definable characteristics. It removes value of the individual.

We promote a religion of self worth and identity mantra to replace a relationship with God. That need will always be replaced if voided. We want to belong to something greater than ourselves but our society no longer considers that value of our country in that equation.

We protest about the climate, yet promote killing human life. Is the point to worship the planet or to save it for humans?

We promote sexual perversion, yet scream down prayer to our creator.

We protest guns, but aren’t willing to put the work in to teach our children. So we watch our children kill each other and blame the NRA. The group willing to reach Gun safety methods. Hint, the gov doesn’t want its citizens armed.

I could go on. I could name a random event where a repub or Dem was rude or hurt a repub or Dem on a Sunday. But that doesn’t prove the Sabbath Day is bad.
 
They never even imagined that we would opt the route of Nazi Germany type genocide on human life within the womb. That level of unconscious evil could have even been considered.
Abortion was quite common and not a big deal during the late 1700s and early 1800s. The founding fathers as most people back then didn’t give a rats a**.
 
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Abortion was quite common and not a big deal during the late 1700s and early 1800s. The founding fathers as most people back then didn’t give a rats a**.
A majority of the founding fathers were either Deists or were significantly influenced by Deism and as such generally did not believe in the more supernatural elements of Christianity. This group included Washington, Adams, Franklin and Monroe.

They would want absolutely nothing to do with much of what currently passes as Christianity in this country today.
 
Abortion was quite common and not a big deal during the late 1700s and early 1800s. The founding fathers as most people back then didn’t give a rats a**.
Did they have electric coat hangers back then, or was it many swift kicks to the abdomen until blood flowed from the private areas?
 
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I think this hits the mark. Powerful men or those with a power lust have historically been horrific abusers esp if left unchecked. I don't care if you're a Dem, Pub, Catholic, Baptist preacher or Boy Scout leader, if you diddle kiddies the press should be on your tail and LE can shoot you in the head or hang you in the town square after a couple of months dating Big Bubba and the boys in the county lock up for all I care. The idea that my ped is more righteous than your ped is absurd to me.
A majority of the founding fathers were either Deists or were significantly influenced by Deism and as such generally did not believe in the more supernatural elements of Christianity. This group included Washington, Adams, Franklin and Monroe.

They would want absolutely nothing to do with much of what currently passes as Christianity in this country today.
Bullshit! Here you go again with your lies about our founding fathers. You people alike you hate this country. You should just move to Cuba or California. Ha Ha!
 
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A majority of the founding fathers were either Deists or were significantly influenced by Deism and as such generally did not believe in the more supernatural elements of Christianity. This group included Washington, Adams, Franklin and Monroe.

They would want absolutely nothing to do with much of what currently passes as Christianity in this country today.
They had moral norms that did not contemplate my points highlighted.

They also recognized that inalienable rights provided by the Creator, to citizens of our country, are not granted, disallowed or removed by the gov pen.
 
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