we no longer have freedom of speech in America unless it's PC speech. If you disagree with where the country is going you'd better keep it to yourself or you'll soon be unemployed or blacklisted or worse.
I think the Schilling firing by ESPN shows again
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You are right. If your opinion fits the Liberal view, say whatever you want and it's ok. The Conservative view is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. ESPN is part of the Disney/ABC Network group, where a member of the Clinton Foundation, George S, is presented as an unbiased, honest journalist. Schilling has been open about supporting Rep candidates, an absolute NO-NO at Disney/ABC/ESPN, supporting Dems is quite fine.
What happened to Schilling has literally nothing to do with "freedom of speech." Freedom of speech guaranteed by the Constitution means that the GOVERNMENT can't punish an individual for his or her expressions. It guarantees nothing with regard to a private employer who have always been able to terminate employees for expressing themselves in a way the employer feels is detrimental to the brand.
As a business owner I have every right to terminate an employee if that employee expresses themselves in a way that embarrasses my company or impacts current or potential customers.
Doing so has absolutely zero to do with "freedom of speech."
Someone understands the First Amendment. Thank you.
It is truly shocking to me the sheer volume of Americans who have no idea what the First Amendment actually guarantees.
Freedom of speech only pertains to the federal government preventing you from expressing a point of view. An employer can fire you if he dislikes what you're saying. Sounds more like people are but hurt they can't say whatever they want and there be no ramifications
Exactly. But by the same token, those same people if they owned a business would be infuriated if they couldn't terminate an employee who expressed themselves in a way that hurt the business.
Agreed, honestly the only people that are pissed about this are those that don't like the fact they can't be a douche bag and face no consequences.
At least he wasn't providing financial advise.
Yes and no. Depending upon how many employees you have, along with the individual you dismiss, the fired employee may have a course of action against you for improper dismissal. It happens. The EEOC is very active against employers on behalf of dismissed employees. The dismissed employee could bring action alleging improper dismissal, civil rights violations, discrimination, etc., costing you thousands of dollars in defense costs. Could be merit less. By the time you go through discovery, an exhaustive journey, inquiries from EEOC, your legal fees could be north of $100,000. If you lose you then face a fine, legal fees for the plaintiff, and settlement costs.
I agree you have every right to terminate, however, unfortunately, the fired party has a right to sue you with the assistance of the Fed Govt. q
It's an unfortunate fact, absolutely ridiculous, but true. Generally applies to those with 25 or more employees.
Schilling is a bum anyway. Everything the guy touches in the business world goes to crap. Anyway, ESPN's baseball coverage is brutal. The MLB network is amazing.
If he says something pro tranny or pro queer he would be applauded by ESPN. So it has nothing to do with speaking out about non sports subjects, but helping the indoctrination of the next generation. As Hitler said i only need one generation
Yes they do, but far too many do not. However, there are those in Govt who are determined to limit your freedom of speech with "hate speech" laws. Those laws could and would be applied in very discriminatory ways to punish.
I couldn't have said it better. This is about a guy not fitting in with his employer's brand. Nothing to do with freedom of speech
I respond to EEOC charges all the time. So, I'm very aware of the process. Schilling has that avenue available to him for sure, although if ESPN has a Company Policy regarding social media, his avenues for relief from the EEOC will be very limited.
The right to sue for improper termination though, of course, has very little to do with whether a private employer reserves the right to terminate an employee for expressing themselves in a manner inconsistent with said company's policies or Code of Conduct, or in a way that the Company deems harmful to its brand.
He was fired cause he's a jackass that no one likes. This was just their excuse
That's a different discussion. There are a lot of places where the natural rights of all men are being encroached on by government. It's something that has been occurring since the very inception of the country.
On top of that, I don't think he was very good at what he was doing. I'm not going to miss anything he brought to the table.
I'm a minority and even I don't like where some of LGBT legislation is going, but the guy is not going to jail for what he said. He got fired, which if it were a less public position from which he was dismissed not many would even care about it. He has the right to seek out relief via the EEOC, just as any of us would. This is a basic universal truth......every action has an equal and opposite reaction. He said something with his chest puffed up, his employer decided to stick a pin it.
Sending out a prayer for you. Hope you feel better real soon.
Its nice to see that there are some likeminded folk out there. Reassuring.
I assume you are a Constitutional scholar?
The drafters of the Constitution and founding fathers would be much more aghast at your ignorance of their founding document and principles than they would the actions of ESPN.
If you want to talk about an amendment that is actually under attack by our government look no further than the 4th amendment. Also, I'm pretty sure Coach Reggie is the best poster on the boards at this point.
Or we can look at amendments that have already been essentially killed, like the 10th.
Obviously, you are right in terms of the first amendment but I'm not so sure how much of a right you have to terminate an employee or terminate a contract if they criticized Donald Trump for being a misogynist or criticized the Baptist church on their personal twitter account. I don't know the terms of the contract but I wouldn't be surprised if Schilling gets paid. I'm pretty sure he and his attorney are going to be able to find tweets and other social media posts by ESPN personalities that were far more insulting to other groups than Schilling's retreat of a man dressed like a woman that wants to pee in the girls room.
Of course. But that had to do with the particulars of this employment action, which is true for any employment action.
ESPN has gone by the wayside. They've turned into a full-fledged PC bro political party. The only thing ESPN is good for anymore is broadcasts.
I have limited experience dealing with the EEOC, but I have actually found them to be pretty reasonable. They have usually declined to prosecute the action on behalf of the employee. Usually (not always) when the EEOC decides to continue on behalf of the employee after receiving the Employer's response it is because there is at least some compelling fact or evidence in the employee's favor.
I have seen FAR less actions by and through the EEOC in recent years though. Usually see more when unemployment is higher.
Don't speak facts.... Most conservatives might get angry
That is b.s. We certainly have freedom of speech. What we don't have is freedom from the consequences of what we say. He isn't going to jail or be shot for what he said, at least not by the law. He can be fired for being stupid.
The world is fighting terrorism, starvation, and disease. Liberals are fighting for men to pee in the women's restroom.
You have posted 2,121 too many times
A hundred times this. You can be PC, liberal, conservative or whatever. The first amendment only protects you from the government. Not from your employer. I find it ironic that the same conservatives who are all up in arms when labor unions try to get protections for their members are angry when the people they agree with don't have those same protections.
