Immigrants should not be afforded government assistance of any kind.

[PotimusWillie]

The assistance should come from the private sector, and an immigrant must meet standards in which to gain access to the US.

Logically, when the government advertises financial assistance to immigrants, it is asking to be overwhelmed financially. In any budget, to offer free stuff to someone when it hurts another, it is not free.

We are a melting pot, yes. But for those who seek opportunity to be free to work and become financially stable. And that includes being free from our government control.

Moral obligation of financial assistance from our government should only be applied to our citizenry.

Moral obligation of financial assistance and care of immigrants should only come from the private sector with requirements to become a self sufficient citizen.

Our own citizens, unwilling to be self sufficient, demand support from the government. The opportunity of education is wasted and we are required to support them. That too should have requirements that demand self sufficiency.

We place our citizens in bondage by promoting victimhood and gov assistance. And the politicians that rule these communities keep feeding it because it gets them the vote.

 

[KidneyStoned]

Many immigrants pay taxes.

 

[seatonsdawgs]

Many immigrants don’t pay taxes.

 

[KidneyStoned]

Many immigrants don’t pay taxes.

OP said immigrants should be denied government assistance of any kind. My question is, what about the many immigrants that pay income taxes?

 

[DallasDawg225]

The assistance should come from the private sector, and an immigrant must meet standards in which to gain access to the US.

Logically, when the government advertises financial assistance to immigrants, it is asking to be overwhelmed financially. In any budget, to offer free stuff to someone when it hurts another, it is not free.

We are a melting pot, yes. But for those who seek opportunity to be free to work and become financially stable. And that includes being free from our government control.

Moral obligation of financial assistance from our government should only be applied to our citizenry.

Moral obligation of financial assistance and care of immigrants should only come from the private sector with requirements to become a self sufficient citizen.

Our own citizens, unwilling to be self sufficient, demand support from the government. The opportunity of education is wasted and we are required to support them. That too should have requirements that demand self sufficiency.

We place our citizens in bondage by promoting victimhood and gov assistance. And the politicians that rule these communities keep feeding it because it gets them the vote.

 

[PotimusWillie]

Many immigrants pay taxes.

So do those who vacation in the US. So do the drug cartels who run sex trafficking and fentanyl.

Do we allow them access because they pay taxes? Is the standard that you are taxed on your McDonalds hamburger?

 

[TivoliDawg]

The assistance should come from the private sector, and an immigrant must meet standards in which to gain access to the US.

Logically, when the government advertises financial assistance to immigrants, it is asking to be overwhelmed financially. In any budget, to offer free stuff to someone when it hurts another, it is not free.

We are a melting pot, yes. But for those who seek opportunity to be free to work and become financially stable. And that includes being free from our government control.

Moral obligation of financial assistance from our government should only be applied to our citizenry.

Moral obligation of financial assistance and care of immigrants should only come from the private sector with requirements to become a self sufficient citizen.

Our own citizens, unwilling to be self sufficient, demand support from the government. The opportunity of education is wasted and we are required to support them. That too should have requirements that demand self sufficiency.

We place our citizens in bondage by promoting victimhood and gov assistance. And the politicians that rule these communities keep feeding it because it gets them the vote.

I think we just need to build the wall.

When will that be completed? Because it’s already too late to get it done during this term.

Should have started day one with the largest building project in history. Would have really stimulated the economy.

All of these executive order and legislation BS will just be undone (or ignored) by the next Democrat. So why waste your time?

Build the wall! That is the only shot.

Otherwise, you’re just delaying the inevitibale. Thr USA is becoming Guatemala.

 

[PotimusWillie]

OP said immigrants should be denied government assistance of any kind. My question is, what about the many immigrants that pay income taxes?

Legal immigrants? Sure, by private sector.

Why does paying taxes qualify someone to have someone else’s money?

 

[PotimusWillie]

I think we just need to build the wall.

When will that be completed? Because it’s already too late to get it done during this term.

Should have started day one with the largest building project in history. Would have really stimulated the economy.

All of these executive order and legislation BS will just be undone (or ignored) by the next Democrat. So why waste your time?

Build the wall! That is the only shot.

Otherwise, you’re just delaying the inevitibale. Thr USA is becoming Guatemala.

Build the wall and change the immigration laws and processes to protect citizens financially and physically.

By the way, the border wall construction is ongoing. It started in February. But you know that.

 

[TivoliDawg]

Build the wall and change the immigration laws and processes to protect citizens financially and physically. But you know that.

By the way, the border wall construction is ongoing. It started in February. But you know that.

So if Republicans are serious, make it a felony to employ an illegal alien.

Not a fine. Not a civil offense. Not a slap on the wrist.

If you are a business owner, and you employ an illegal, mandatory 12 months in confinement.

That would end their employment immediately and permanently. Which also means they would leave the country and stop coming.

But of course, we’ll never see that legislation.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

So if Republicans are serious, make it a felony to employ an illegal alien.

Not a fine. Not a civil offense. Not a slap on the wrist.

If you are a business owner, and you employ an illegal, mandatory 12 months in confinement.

That would end their employment immediately and permanently.

But of course, we’ll never see that legislation.

I would love this so much

 

[willdup]

So if Republicans are serious, make it a felony to employ an illegal alien.

Not a fine. Not a civil offense. Not a slap on the wrist.

If you are a business owner, and you employ an illegal, mandatory 12 months in confinement.

That would end their employment immediately and permanently. Which also means they would leave the country and stop coming.

But of course, we’ll never see that legislation.

And think of the new opportunities for child labor!

The new law proposed in FL would allow children as young as fourteen to work overnight shifts.

What the hell are we doing as a country?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/25/business/florida-child-labor-laws/index.html

 

[Troubadawg]

The assistance should come from the private sector, and an immigrant must meet standards in which to gain access to the US.

Logically, when the government advertises financial assistance to immigrants, it is asking to be overwhelmed financially. In any budget, to offer free stuff to someone when it hurts another, it is not free.

We are a melting pot, yes. But for those who seek opportunity to be free to work and become financially stable. And that includes being free from our government control.

Moral obligation of financial assistance from our government should only be applied to our citizenry.

Moral obligation of financial assistance and care of immigrants should only come from the private sector with requirements to become a self sufficient citizen.

Our own citizens, unwilling to be self sufficient, demand support from the government. The opportunity of education is wasted and we are required to support them. That too should have requirements that demand self sufficiency.

We place our citizens in bondage by promoting victimhood and gov assistance. And the politicians that rule these communities keep feeding it because it gets them the vote.

Then take away Melania's secret service.

 

[TivoliDawg]

And think of the new opportunities for child labor!

The new law proposed in FL would allow children as young as fourteen to work overnight shifts.

What the hell are we doing as a country?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/25/business/florida-child-labor-laws/index.html

I think this bill is stupid. Shame on Florida.

But there are plenty of seasonal workers (H2B?) and we can incentivize more.

In fact, the majority of labor is legal vs. illegal. You cannot say you are in favor of the working man while you undercut his wages with illegals. Those two positions are incongruent.

Get rid of the illegals, more seasonal workers, any gaps will be filled by rising wages paid by the employers.

 

[litedawg1968]

OP said immigrants should be denied government assistance of any kind. My question is, what about the many immigrants that pay income taxes?

Legal immigrants pay taxes as they are legal. I have never met an illegal alien that paid taxes, like SS and Fed. Never.

 

[litedawg1968]

And think of the new opportunities for child labor!

The new law proposed in FL would allow children as young as fourteen to work overnight shifts.

What the hell are we doing as a country?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/25/business/florida-child-labor-laws/index.html

Will, we were asking the same thing when the border was open.

Bidens immigration policy and the whipsaw reaction to it will be a lot for Americans to deal with.

 

[usernameDawg]

The assistance should come from the private sector, and an immigrant must meet standards in which to gain access to the US.

Logically, when the government advertises financial assistance to immigrants, it is asking to be overwhelmed financially. In any budget, to offer free stuff to someone when it hurts another, it is not free.

We are a melting pot, yes. But for those who seek opportunity to be free to work and become financially stable. And that includes being free from our government control.

Moral obligation of financial assistance from our government should only be applied to our citizenry.

Moral obligation of financial assistance and care of immigrants should only come from the private sector with requirements to become a self sufficient citizen.

Our own citizens, unwilling to be self sufficient, demand support from the government. The opportunity of education is wasted and we are required to support them. That too should have requirements that demand self sufficiency.

We place our citizens in bondage by promoting victimhood and gov assistance. And the politicians that rule these communities keep feeding it because it gets them the vote.

You design an immigration policy to attract the workers/capital you want and part of attracting those immigrants is the “benefits package.” No different than a growing company trying to attract the best workers.

That is why the $5million green card makes sense. He should probably charge more.

Immigration policy is a bigger issue than illegals crossing the border. It is about acquiring talent from other countries to fight the slowdown in population growth and to keep our economy humming along. It is about competitive advantage in the workforce.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

That is why the $5million green card makes sense. He should probably charge more.

The 5 million dollar green card is a terrible idea. It allows wealthy foreigners to contribute directly to American politicians.

 

[usernameDawg]

The 5 million dollar green card is a terrible idea. It allows wealthy foreigners to contribute directly to American politicians.

Where the money ends up is a different issue, but offering citizenship to highly skilled labor and/or foreign investors is common sense.

It is just prequalifying for green cards. The idea is to welcome people who can contribute to this country.

And yes, there are legitimate asylum seekers, but if your team is based on a blind open door policy and my team is on $5 million green cards, then I would think the chances are overwhelming that my team will provide a better outcome.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

OP said immigrants should be denied government assistance of any kind. My question is, what about the many immigrants that pay income taxes?

I have always heard that they were exempt from paying taxes for 7 years. I know one thing these stores that sell money orders do a great business on Friday and Saturday sending their money back to Mexico.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

Then take away Melania's secret service.

And think of the new opportunities for child labor!

The new law proposed in FL would allow children as young as fourteen to work overnight shifts.

What the hell are we doing as a country?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/25/business/florida-child-labor-laws/index.html

What happened to teenage kids working part time hell I have been working since I was 11 years old and I worked full time during the summer. Kids have it too easy nowadays they should be working. It teaches them some responsibility and keeps them out of trouble.

 

[DTwnDawg]

Many immigrants pay taxes.

And. Most illegals do not! Not the same taxes that a US citizen pays

 

[Athens is Heaven]

Where the money ends up is a different issue, but offering citizenship to highly skilled labor and/or foreign investors is common sense.

It is just prequalifying for green cards. The idea is to welcome people who can contribute to this country.

And yes, there are legitimate asylum seekers, but if your team is based on a blind open door policy and my team is on $5 million green cards, then I would think the chances are overwhelming that my team will provide a better outcome.

That is common sense and the libs don’t understand that. It’s over their heads.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

Where the money ends up is a different issue, but offering citizenship to highly skilled labor and/or foreign investors is common sense.

It is just prequalifying for green cards. The idea is to welcome people who can contribute to this country.

And yes, there are legitimate asylum seekers, but if your team is based on a blind open door policy and my team is on $5 million green cards, then I would think the chances are overwhelming that my team will provide a better outcome.

First of all my team is team deporting every single person living in this country who came here via the hart cellar act or illegal immigration.

Second of all, no offering citizenship to foreign laborers is not common sense. It’s a form of thievery and it’s a betrayal of the millions of native Americans. (It also completely ignores the reality of the past 50 years in this country.)

Trump offering the 5 million dollar green card was a bone he threw to his donors buts it’s a betrayal of his base and will have devastating consequences.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

That is common sense and the libs don’t understand that. It’s over their heads.

It’s only common sense if the goal of this country is to make the GDP go up.

If the actual goal is to improve the lives of Americans importing any foreigners, much less wealthy foreigners, who will turn around buy out businesses, fire the entire staff, import their relatives is a terrible idea. Who then turn around and send this money back to their home land.

There is a reason why every gas station and hotel owned in this country is owned by Indians.

 

[usernameDawg]

It’s only common sense if the goal of this country is to make the GDP go up.

If the actual goal is to improve the lives of Americans importing any foreigners, much less wealthy foreigners, who will turn around buy out businesses, fire the entire staff, import their relatives is a terrible idea. Who then turn around and send this money back to their home land.

There is a reason why every gas station and hotel owned in this country is owned by Indians.

That Steve Bannin sound bite sounds nice and all, but having a no immigration policy is just about as dumb as having no immigration policy.

Like it or not, these tariffs are the US saying that it is about to compete in the world economy. If we need talent, you don’t hamstring businesses telling them to make do with Billy Bob. By the same token, you don’t permit industry to flood the market with visas to keep wages low. It is a balance that requires sensible policy.

Kirby should recruit Georgia hard, but sometimes there is a RB from NC that can help the team.

Somewhere there is a team of German engineers who can design and build best in class manufacturing facilities, better than we can. I want those people. Help us get to where we need to go and train the next generation of native workers how to replicate it.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

That Steve Bannin sound bite sounds nice and all, but having a no immigration policy is just about as dumb as having no immigration policy.

Like it or not, these tariffs are the US saying that it is about to compete in the world economy. If we need talent, you don’t hamstring businesses telling them to make do with Billy Bob. By the same token, you don’t permit industry to flood the market with visas to keep wages low. It is a balance that requires sensible policy.

Kirby should recruit Georgia hard, but sometimes there is a RB from NC that can help the team.

Somewhere there is a team of German engineers who can design and build best in class manufacturing facilities, better than we can. I want those people. Help us get to where we need to go and train the next generation of native workers how to replicate it.

I want the immigration policy we had under Calvin Coolidge through 1964. Back when we had a functioning county and the only immigrants we took were Christians from Europe.

And where do you the get the idea we are importing European engineers? Because we aren’t. We are importing Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis. None of whom have anything in common with Americans. And all of whom show natural ethnic preferences once they get a foot in the door.

But we’ve gone beyond the original point of contention which was the ability to purchase full citizenship rights for $5 million dollars. This allows Ching Chong ping pong, Chinese businessman, to purchase citizenship and start donating to political candidates that will advocate for policies in his interest. There is nothing good about that.

 

[usernameDawg]

I want the immigration policy we had under Calvin Coolidge through 1964. Back when we had a functioning county and the only immigrants we took were Christians from Europe.

And where do you the get the idea we are importing European engineers? Because we aren’t. We are importing Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis. None of whom have anything in common with Americans. And all of whom show natural ethnic preferences once they get a foot in the door.

But we’ve gone beyond the original point of contention which was the ability to purchase full citizenship rights for $5 million dollars. This allows Ching Chong ping pong, Chinese businessman, to purchase citizenship and start donating to political candidates that will advocate for policies in his interest. There is nothing good about that.

You are all over the place. I am not talking about what has been done, I am talking about what can be done, and that includes additional screening that can be done beyond the $5 million ante.

Seems, however, that you have non-economic reasons that fuel your position. Not much point in discussing with that hurdle in place.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

You are all over the place. I am not talking about what has been done, I am talking about what can be done, and that includes additional screening that can be done beyond the $5 million ante.

Seems, however, that you have non-economic reasons that fuel your position. Not much point in discussing with that hurdle in place.

Bringing in foreign competition hurts the american worker.

 

[PotimusWillie]

So if Republicans are serious, make it a felony to employ an illegal alien.

Not a fine. Not a civil offense. Not a slap on the wrist.

If you are a business owner, and you employ an illegal, mandatory 12 months in confinement.

That would end their employment immediately and permanently. Which also means they would leave the country and stop coming.

But of course, we’ll never see that legislation.

So you want to harm American business and destroy families?

 

[PotimusWillie]

Then take away Melania's secret service.

Why would you do that?

 

[KidneyStoned]

Why would you do that?

She’s an immigrant.

 

[KidneyStoned]

So you want to harm American business and destroy families?

Like tariffs ?

 

[Athens is Heaven]

It’s only common sense if the goal of this country is to make the GDP go up.

If the actual goal is to improve the lives of Americans importing any foreigners, much less wealthy foreigners, who will turn around buy out businesses, fire the entire staff, import their relatives is a terrible idea. Who then turn around and send this money back to their home land.

There is a reason why every gas station and hotel owned in this country is owned by Indians.

And liquor stores also!

 

[PotimusWillie]

She’s an immigrant.

Define woman and define immigrant.

And why does either definition matter in this conversation?

 

[MRDAWG]

The assistance should come from the private sector, and an immigrant must meet standards in which to gain access to the US.

Logically, when the government advertises financial assistance to immigrants, it is asking to be overwhelmed financially. In any budget, to offer free stuff to someone when it hurts another, it is not free.

We are a melting pot, yes. But for those who seek opportunity to be free to work and become financially stable. And that includes being free from our government control.

Moral obligation of financial assistance from our government should only be applied to our citizenry.

Moral obligation of financial assistance and care of immigrants should only come from the private sector with requirements to become a self sufficient citizen.

Our own citizens, unwilling to be self sufficient, demand support from the government. The opportunity of education is wasted and we are required to support them. That too should have requirements that demand self sufficiency.

We place our citizens in bondage by promoting victimhood and gov assistance. And the politicians that rule these communities keep feeding it because it gets them the vote.

All of my doctors (and there are several) are immigrants.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

All of my doctors (and there are several) are immigrants.

That’s your problem I don’t do that mess. I go to doctors that speak English!

 

[PotimusWillie]

All of my doctors (and there are several) are immigrants.

And they became doctors. They should be applauded.

They came to America and became successful. That is awesome. That is the American dream. The dream of success and self sufficiency is what should make us attractive to immigrant families, not financial assistance from the government.

That kind of initiative that offers self sufficiency can be privately supported.

That way they don’t become wards of the state.

 

[TivoliDawg]

So you want to harm American business and destroy families?

Is following laws destroying families? News to me

 

[Athens is Heaven]

And they became doctors. They should be applauded.

They came to America and became successful. That is awesome. That is the American dream. The dream of success and self sufficiency is what should make us attractive to immigrant families, not financial assistance from the government.

That kind of initiative that offers self sufficiency can be privately supported.

That way they don’t become wards of the state.

I agree with you on that. The ones I have been associated with were hospitalits and I couldn’t understand what they were saying. One caused me to be admitted into the emergency room after cutting my lasix. I had fluid buildup in my lungs and had to be readmitted to the hospital.