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their development of a nuclear weapon for 10 years. Oh, wow. What a great deal Obama and John Kerry have forced to happen.

Iran will use the billions of dollars to push terrorism all over the world and may not even need a nuclear weapon in a few short years to destroy us. The work will already be done........funded by Obama's"historic" deal.

What a stupid moron.

If Congress does not reject this BAD deal....America is doomed. We'll be giving Iran the money they need to destroy us for an incredibly short period of delay in their development of nuclear weapons....IF they delay it at all.....we will only be able to inspect on military bases IF Iran gives us permission. Who thinks that after we officially agree to the deal and start funding them that they will DENY access to their military bases? WHAT are we going to do if they say no? The deal gives them the right to not let us if they don't want to.

Obama drove a real tough bargain here didn't he?
 
wayx said:
their development of a nuclear weapon for 10 years. Oh, wow. What a great deal Obama and John Kerry have forced to happen.

Iran will use the billions of dollars to push terrorism all over the world and may not even need a nuclear weapon in a few short years to destroy us. The work will already be done........funded by Obama's"historic" deal.

What a stupid moron.

If Congress does not reject this BAD deal....America is doomed. We'll be giving Iran the money they need to destroy us for an incredibly short period of delay in their development of nuclear weapons....IF they delay it at all.....we will only be able to inspect on military bases IF Iran gives us permission. Who thinks that after we officially agree to the deal and start funding them that they will DENY access to their military bases? WHAT are we going to do if they say no? The deal gives them the right to not let us if they don't want to.

Obama drove a real tough bargain here didn't he?
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What alternative would you have proposed?
 
War would have been way prefer alternative. But America has been at war for 15 years already. Why not just stay in the middle east forever.
 
It woudn't be far-fetched 'M' to say the only worse alternative besides the deal we have to "pay them"
to develop this is to offer to actually send contractors over to build a nice new nuclear reactor and supply
the bombs.
If I was Israel and the U.S. I would be apprehensive at least when a regime that openly defies us and
uses "Death the USA" and "Death to Israel" like I use "Good Morning" in the early part of the day is
allowed any part of the process of building a nuke.
 
We don't have to win their hearts and minds. We do have to kill enough of the trouble makers and the rest will learn that
they can, in fact, live in peace with the rest of the world.


For that liberals question about what I would have done. Easy. Keep the economic sanctions in place so Iran would not have billions of dollars suddenly released to them so they can use it to fuel terrorism around the world....and I would tell Iran that on any slight concern we have that
they are doing things to develop a nuclear weapon...I would bomb that suspected place of concern off the map. No warning, no questions asked and no apologies later.
 
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wayx said:
We don't have to win their hearts and minds. We do have to kill enough of the trouble makers and the rest will learn that
they can, in fact, live in peace with the rest of the world.


For that liberals question about what I would have done. Easy. Keep the economic sanctions in place so Iran would not have billions of dollars suddenly released to them so they can use it to fuel terrorism around the world....and I would tell Iran that on any slight concern we have that
they are doing things to develop a nuclear weapon...I would bomb that suspected place of concern off the map. No warning, no questions asked and no apologies later.
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Most ridiculous crap I've ever heard of....sad thing is, some of you rednecks actually might believe that would be a good idea.....sadder still that this type person would be allowed to vote in America
 
FeralDawg said:
It woudn't be far-fetched 'M' to say the only worse alternative besides the deal we have to "pay them"
to develop this is to offer to actually send contractors over to build a nice new nuclear reactor and supply
the bombs.
If I was Israel and the U.S. I would be apprehensive at least when a regime that openly defies us and
uses "Death the USA" and "Death to Israel" like I use "Good Morning" in the early part of the day is
allowed any part of the process of building a nuke.
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iMo, most of that is just yapping .... When Russia does it we call it 'Sabre rattling'

I actually think we could do worse than actually building the nuclear energy capability for them .... Hell, have France do it . They're our oldest and best ally, and they're the best in the world at nuclear energy
 
Thing is, you have UK, Germany, France, Russia and China involved too. It wasn't just what WE wanted. Some of them were thisclose to taking the sanctions in place away without anything at all.(not the US sanctions)

But until we can all read it, none of us know anything except what the politicians and news are spinning.

What irks me is all of them reporting about falling gas prices. GREAT! I mean that. But the last time when we paid close to 4 dollars a gallon for years and it went closer to 2, groceries at major chains sure didn't come down with lower transportation costs. And of course, the oil companies won't like it a bit and the politicians are bought by them.
 
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Most ridiculous crap I've ever heard of....sad thing is, some of you rednecks actually might believe that would be a good idea.....sadder still that this type person would be allowed to vote in America
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HERE IS THE TRUTH of where liberals want to go. Make it illegal for Americans who disagree with them to vote...yet they champion the
right to vote for illegal immigrants. WOW.

What's really scary is that liberals really think this way. They're all CRAZY.
 
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Liberals want to make it illegal for Americans to vote, really??????????? I believe it's the GOP that has rolled back voter access in the last several years and not the Dems.
 
They want registration of some sort. NOT voting twice, or Illegals voting or
people from other countries mailing in votes or the dead voting. Same old stuff, shonuff.
And I am not a lockstep PUB.
 
If a voter is so off the grid that they can not get an ID card then they do not need to vote.
 
''American is doomed'' yes yes, every time something is done that doesn't please this crowd it kills America.
This is far better than no deal, we'll have to wait and see how it plays out to know much more than that.
 
You don't have to wait for anything. You KNOW how it's going to work out. Iran can openly resume building a nuclear weapon in 10 years.
They can cheat and do it on military bases now and we can't inspect unless they give us permission...Yeah, that's real realistic. Fat chance
they will do that.

Plus, they are getting over 100 billion in frozen assets that experts are predicting they will use to fund more international terrorism.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. This deal is a goldmine and a great gift to Iran and a terrible disaster for the rest
of the world.
 
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wayx said:
You don't have to wait for anything. You KNOW how it's going to work out. Iran can openly resume building a nuclear weapon in 10 years.
They can cheat and do it on military bases now and we can't inspect unless they give us permission...Yeah, that's real realistic. Fat chance
they will do that.

Plus, they are getting over 100 billion in frozen assets that experts are predicting they will use to fund more international terrorism.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. This deal is a goldmine and a great gift to Iran and a terrible disaster for the rest
of the world.
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Maybe you'll wake up tomorrow in another world. In this one there are limited viable options to a given set of circumstances. This is better than any viable alternative I've heard of. There will always be people who criticize and want to go to war one more time and somehow expect better results, no thanks.
 
HeulenHund2 said:
Maybe you'll wake up tomorrow in another world. In this one there are limited viable options to a given set of circumstances. This is better than any viable alternative I've heard of. There will always be people who criticize and want to go to war one more time and somehow expect better results, no thanks.
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PS. Iran doesn't sponsor terrorism against The US or our allies, other than Israel. We need to do what is in our interest and not keep making moves that weaken our positions at the request of a foreign government.
 
HeulenHund2 said:
PS. Iran doesn't sponsor terrorism against The US or our allies, other than Israel. We need to do what is in our interest and not keep making moves that weaken our positions at the request of a foreign government.
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i don't believe iran doesn't sponsor terrorism against us . i hope Israel will take care of business and this " fake deal " will be moot .
 
HeulenHund2 said:
PS. Iran doesn't sponsor terrorism against The US or our allies, other than Israel. We need to do what is in our interest and not keep making moves that weaken our positions at the request of a foreign government.
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You are kidding, right? You don't think Iran is pulling Hezbollahs strings? The same group that blew up Marine barracks in Beirut? The hostage crisis of '79? Iran is fighting proxy wars all over the place using Hezbollah, Hamas, the Taliban, militias in Iraq, and a plethora of other terrorist groups, all of which the USA has been either targets or victims of.
 
jenkinscreekdawg said:
i don't believe iran doesn't sponsor terrorism against us . i hope Israel will take care of business and this " fake deal " will be moot .
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When has Iran sponsored a terrorist attack against us other than PERHAPS the Marine barracks in Lebanon in Reagan's presidency ?
If people were interested in a real education of things they might have a better understanding of others' motivations.

Almost all of the terrorist acts against us has been from Sunnis, who are enemies of Iran.
 
ZosoDawg said:
You are kidding, right? You don't think Iran is pulling Hezbollahs strings? The same group that blew up Marine barracks in Beirut? The hostage crisis of '79? Iran is fighting proxy wars all over the place using Hezbollah, Hamas, the Taliban, militias in Iraq, and a plethora of other terrorist groups, all of which the USA has been either targets or victims of.
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Hezbollah doesn't attack US, their interest is in Israel's occupation of Palestine and to some extent Shia interest in Iraq and other places close to home.
The Taliban are Sunni, it's impossible to know chit from chinola without truly understanding that very, very fundamental difference.
 
HeulenHund2 said:
When has Iran sponsored a terrorist attack against us other than PERHAPS the Marine barracks in Lebanon in Reagan's presidency ?
If people were interested in a real education of things they might have a better understanding of others' motivations.

Almost all of the terrorist acts against us has been from Sunnis, who are enemies of Iran.
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They attempted to blow up the ambassador of Saudi Arabia while in D.C. within the last several years. I'm sure there would have been collateral damage.
 
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HeulenHund2 said:
When has Iran sponsored a terrorist attack against us other than PERHAPS the Marine barracks in Lebanon in Reagan's presidency ?
If people were interested in a real education of things they might have a better understanding of others' motivations.

Almost all of the terrorist acts against us has been from Sunnis, who are enemies of Iran.
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"PERHAPS?" Perhaps you're a goddamn moron.
 
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Yes, only time will tell this tale, but surely we (coalition otherwise likes to watch) the people did not strike a "deal" at all. What we did was to make massive concessions and to gift $140 billion to Iran with no conditions on where they use it. Not much of a "deal." Why not just call it a "massive concession?" Better than war for sure, but aren't negotiations supposed to allow for an actual DEAL, where one side wins and loses a bit. Why should Kerry (our fearless negotiator in chief) come out looking like a frightened child, who's just given away his lunch money?
 
Boost Assendahm said:
Yes, only time will tell this tale, but surely we (coalition otherwise likes to watch) the people did not strike a "deal" at all. What we did was to make massive concessions and to gift $140 billion to Iran with no conditions on where they use it. Not much of a "deal." Why not just call it a "massive concession?" Better than war for sure, but aren't negotiations supposed to allow for an actual DEAL, where one side wins and loses a bit. Why should Kerry (our fearless negotiator in chief) come out looking like a frightened child, who's just given away his lunch money?
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I don't get why so many insist on misrepresenting facts over and over. The 140 billion is in Iranian assets that have been frozen in various coalition countries since the embargo was implemented. It's not a gift.

Who are we fooling other than ourselves ? It's not a good way to get to the best outcome.
I glanced at the full document but it's tough to decipher. Those things are kind of like Shakespeare. It takes a few readings to tune into the language enough to understand what I'm reading.
 
DeafDawg. said:
"PERHAPS?" Perhaps you're a goddamn moron.
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Well you're clearly a moron, but that isn't your worst flaw. You're also a classless, know nothing blowhard. You're a knee jerk, jerk who insist on spewing ignorant insults like the verbal shits without much if any real thought. You seem to have no bearing other than impotent rage. I'm truly sorry if you're deaf, but that wouldn't excuse trashy rants.
 
HeulenHund2 said:
PS. Iran doesn't sponsor terrorism against The US or our allies, other than Israel. We need to do what is in our interest and not keep making moves that weaken our positions at the request of a foreign government.
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Tell that to the soldiers who were hit by Iranian IEDs (or their surviving family members)
 
HeulenHund2 said:
I don't get why so many insist on misrepresenting facts over and over. The 140 billion is in Iranian assets that have been frozen in various coalition countries since the embargo was implemented. It's not a gift.
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Iran is doing bad things in the world. As a result their money has been frozen in the form of various sanctions. That's money Iran didn't have to fund terrorists or to develop nukes. Now in exchange for getting access to monitor selected sites (not all sites), we're going to give them all that money so they can do more bad things. I don't give a damn where the money came from. They didn't have it because they were not good citizens of the world. They haven't really remedied this situation and yet now they are going to get the money and use it against us and our allies?

The golden rule says that he who has the gold makes the rules. If you just give the damn gold back for precious little, it's hard to claim to be remotely effective at diplomacy.

Adolph Hitler got the Sudentenland from a treaty endorsed by Neville Chamberlain in 1938. This misguided politician (also a liberal), proclaimed it would bring "Peace for our time.". Seven years later between 50 and 80 million people were dead as a result - and that mostly depends on if you could direct deaths from fighting or if you also count disease and famine deaths that were a product of the war.

Iran has shown no more propensity to protect human life or to avoid genocidal tendencies than Hitler did. The difference is that Hitler never had a nuke. You can make a lot of lebensraum with nukes.
 
HeulenHund2 said:
I don't get why so many insist on misrepresenting facts over and over. The 140 billion is in Iranian assets that have been frozen in various coalition countries since the embargo was implemented. It's not a gift.

Who are we fooling other than ourselves ? It's not a good way to get to the best outcome.
I glanced at the full document but it's tough to decipher. Those things are kind of like Shakespeare. It takes a few readings to tune into the language enough to understand what I'm reading.
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when your man,jimmy carter ,calls out prez for his foreign policy flaws, it doesn't get any worse than that !
 
''M'' said:
What alternative would you have proposed?
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Keep the sanctions in place, don't give them 100b and support the young ppl there who tried to rise up in 2010 but POSOTUS was to sympathetic to the Regime.
 
''M'' said:
Most ridiculous crap I've ever heard of....sad thing is, some of you rednecks actually might believe that would be a good idea.....sadder still that this type person would be allowed to vote in America
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I think you don't really know what "stupid' means. If you did you couldn't support this deal. The US got NOTHING in this deal except delaying the inevitable. Iran got billions, they got to keep the Nuke program and will have a bomb in short time, they even got conventional weapons, ballistic missiles (who do you think those are for?) no inspections and had their generals taken of terror list. There are still four Americans left rotting in their jails , and this STUPID POSOTUS and his buffoon Kerry didn't even attempt to get them set free. And while agreeing to all their demands their leader was at a huge rally shouting Death to America

So now the biggest terror regime in the world just got stronger, and they they are going to have a nuke along with a way to deliver it. And STUPID ppl like you are lining up to cheer them one cause you believe we have peace in our time and that these Islamic Savages can be trusted.

But hey, Slick Willie tolds us the exact same thing about the N Korea commies in 94. No nukes. How'd that work out?

Like I've said, for you liberals History starts today ...everyday. Nope don't look at what we've done and the result....look at our good intentions for tomorrow........That's STUPID,...Stupid
 
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PS. Iran doesn't sponsor terrorism against The US or our allies, other than Israel. We need to do what is in our interest and not keep making moves that weaken our positions at the request of a foreign government.
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If there was anyone on this board that didn't already know what a fcking moron you are....well there can be no doubts any longer

http://jcpa.org/killing-americans-allies-irans-war/
 
MUTiger91 said:
Tell that to the soldiers who were hit by Iranian IEDs (or their surviving family members)
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The Shia rebel leader in Iraq who fought against the occupation of Iran might be an exception. Iran's actions focus on Shias and Israel, which narrows their interest and actions.
Iran is majority Shia but has been ruled by strong arm Sunnis like Saddam. The Shias certainly used weapons from Iran and several Iranians were captured among them. I wouldn't be surprised if Iranian leadership was involved on some level, but there is no real proof at this point.
 
HeulenHund2 said:
The Shia rebel leader in Iraq who fought against the occupation of Iran might be an exception. Iran's actions focus on Shias and Israel, which narrows their interest and actions.
Iran is majority Shia but has been ruled by strong arm Sunnis like Saddam. The Shias certainly used weapons from Iran and several Iranians were captured among them. I wouldn't be surprised if Iranian leadership was involved on some level, but there is no real proof at this point.
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So another exception to the prior exception you mentioned? How many more exceptions to exceptions are we supposed to believe? Or how many more are you going to throw out there to disprove your point?
 
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