Predictions on Trump Presidency with control of Congress......

[DawglegrightinSC]

1) wars don’t have end dates.
2) if Outin is willing to destroy his military and his country, and North Korea’s, we should absolutely indulge in that.

That would be fantastic.

Thinking this helps the US is a mistake. You may weaken his army but he has more nukes than necessary to destroy the world. Do we really want to back him in that corner?

 

[TivoliDawg]

Thinking this helps the US is a mistake. You may weaken his army but he has more nukes than necessary to destroy the world. Do we really want to back him in that corner?

So he can just invade countries because he has nuclear weapons? Come on.

 

[TivoliDawg]

How many is it as a politician to send the sons and daughters of Americans to be wounded or killed. We have had endless wars for over 20 years now. Which ones have we won? Were any of reasons for these wars actually real or did we lose brave soldiers for nothing? Ukraine is no different. We were lied to and spent hundreds of billions for what. Sorry, I don’t see a good reason to have been involved and I don’t see a reason to stay involved.

I understand and occasionally feel the same way you do.

But relitigating thr Iraq war is not fruitful. We had evidence that they had WMDs. We did not find them. We took out a dictator to decrease the chances he could strike us. We thought that Arabs were more ready for democracy than they are. That is a lesson we should have learned centuries ago. It’s very difficult for any country to be both Islamic and civilized.

To be clear, no one is advocating starting a war with Russia. No one. Anywhere.

But supplying Ukrainian troops with weapons, food, etc. so they can kill the Russians is an amazing proposition that we should all fully support.

And as I mentioned earlier, everyone on this board supported it when the invasion started.

 

[TivoliDawg]

The article seems to indicate that goal
Isn’t attainable. If so why continue to fund this bloodshed with tax dollars?

The people who wrote all these articles said Kyiv would fall in 72 hours too. It’s absolutely obtainable. As soon as Putin gives the order to leave, troops will be gone in 36 hours.

The question is what will it take for him to issue such an order?

Or, will he pass away and a new leader issues it?

 

[zingerdawg]

The people who wrote all these articles said Kyiv would fall in 72 hours too. It’s absolutely obtainable. As soon as Putin gives the order to leave, troops will be gone in 36 hours.

The question is what will it take for him to issue such an order?

Or, will he pass away and a new leader issues it?

You ant others in this thread have made great points about why we should keep this going. And why we should stop it.

I think the basic point is missed. Continuing this war means more people die. For what reason. No they aren’t Americans, so why should we care, but I hate to say it but one side or the other will run out of people eventually. It isn’t likely to be Russia.

I get stopping him from reforming the Soviet Union. I don’t think he is in a position to do that. Now or in the future. I think the end game should be to save lives and families. But that is just me.

 

[TivoliDawg]

You ant others in this thread have made great points about why we should keep this going. And why we should stop it.

I think the basic point is missed. Continuing this war means more people die. For what reason. No they aren’t Americans, so why should we care, but I hate to say it but one side or the other will run out of people eventually. It isn’t likely to be Russia.

I get stopping him from reforming the Soviet Union. I don’t think he is in a position to do that. Now or in the future. I think the end game should be to save lives and families. But that is just me.

I understand your feeeling. But allowing Russia to blow up labor and delivery hospitals, kill Ukrainian civilians, torture and mutilate Ukrainian troops is hardly the “just” thing to do. That aggression cannot stand! It’s both amoral and foolish to let it go unpunished.

Ben Shapiro and Bill Maher just talked about this and it’s relevant for a lot of folks in this thread.

What is war?
What does it mean to be at war?
How do you win a war?

All discussed in Bill Maher’s conversation. It’s on YouTube.

Long story short - you either kill all the other side’s troops (not common these days) or you make them give up through military and economic pain. Russia is importing troops from another county. The end is near.

Let us not be cowards now. We would want someone to come to our defense. Especially if that entity easily had the means.

 

[zingerdawg]

I understand your feeeling. But allowing Russia to blow up labor and delivery hospitals, kill Ukrainian civilians, torture and mutilate Ukrainian troops is hardly the “just” thing to do. That aggression cannot stand! It’s both amoral and foolish to let it go unpunished.

Ben Shapiro and Bill Maher just talked about this and it’s relevant for a lot of folks in this thread.

What is war?
What does it mean to be at war?
How do you win a war?

All discussed in Bill Maher’s conversation. It’s on YouTube.

Long story short - you either kill all the other side’s troops (not common these days) or you make them give up through military and economic pain. Russia is importing troops from another county. The end is near.

Let us not be cowards now. We would want someone to come to our defense. Especially if that entity easily had the means.

Ukraine would be stabbing us in the back tomorrow. Same with Russia. We aren’t helping an ally. Either way. Yes it may make Russia weaker, but I think it is time to put this one to bed if you can. Do you know how much the Ukraine will ask from us to rebuild next? It isn’t about being a coward. It is about being smart. There was a time for our help over there. We gave it. Now it is time to end it. For there to be less chaos globally. I get your take. I just think we are past time to pull the plug.

 

[Golfin_Dawg]

They won’t “take down” Putin. No one said that and they’re not going to invade Moscow. That’s ridiculous.

But they absolutely can inflict enough damage (already are) that Putin will back down and remove the troops. Or he’ll die (he’s very old) and the next guy will do that.

What happens when these 10k NKorean troops get killed? Where will Putin go next?

We are very close to them tapping out and to pull the rug out now is insane. We need to fund Ukraine as much as possible. Every poster on this board was outraged (rightfully) during the invasion and posted about how much they support Ukraine. Then, all of the sudden, Trump starts saying he’ll end the war and the echo chamber starts to hit. There was no one on this board saying we should abandon Ukraine 2 years ago. Not one poster.

good conversation though.

Beat Ole Miss!!

Then donate personally to them. I think we offer some support but we don't fund the whole d*** thing. Dems got us in this position for being weak. Now that Trump wants to end the killing, you want me to feel bad? Some land will be lost without a complete Russian defeat...and I can tell you none of us want that war. The trade of some land vs lifes/money is a no brainer.

 

[TivoliDawg]

Then donate personally to them. I think we offer some support but we don't fund the whole d*** thing. Dems got us in this position for being weak. Now that Trump wants to end the killing, you want me to feel bad? Some land will be lost without a complete Russian defeat...and I can tell you none of us want that war. The trade of some land vs lifes/money is a no brainer.

I donated much when the war first started.

And yes, I want you to feel bad about invaders killing innocent people. Ukraine did not ask for this.

 

[lakechatugedawg]

Feel free to call me out, bump in the future. Will see how I did....

Fears of "Revenge" or "end of democracy"

Totally unfounded. Truth will bear out that lawfare and other attempts to remove Trump were more of a threat to democracy. He isn't going to waste his time going after political enemies. "The enemy from within".....gonna use the Military on US Citizens. Absolutely ridiculous. Trump will continue to piss people off with rhetoric, offend, outrage, etc, etc. That's who he is. Sometimes intentional and effectively in terms of angling for something. Sometimes not. But democracy was never in trouble when he got elected. He isn't Hitler. He's not a facist (although most who say that don't know what it means).

Abortion

Nothing happens here. No abortion ban. Literallly, nothing. Everything stays the same.

Inflation / Economy / Spending

The rate of inflation will continue to ride in the low 2% range. But anyone who thinks Trump can magically bring prices down to where they were doesn't know how sticky things like rents are. He will be effective in keeping energy prices low because his policy will maximize domestic oil production and remove red tape so energy supply breaks records by a very large margin. That will help with other items as well. Furthermore, removing regulations will increase production and improve the supply chain. Rents are going to increase because the fed effectively put a two year pause on new apartment construction by making the cost of capital so high that developers haven't been able to capitalize projects the last 24 months. Housing prices won't go down, but the cost to own housing should as interest rates come down.

One of the reasons mortgage rates will come down (in addition to the fed) is that Trump will engage a team of experienced CEO's (not just Elon) to get to work on making government more efficient. This will give confidence to markets that the US fiscal situation long-term will improve, notwithstanding tax cuts. That will give investors more confidence to buy treasuries at lower yields, bringing mortgage rates lower. The push to achieve savings in government spending will cost jobs in the early years, and the left will scream bloody murder. But long-term it is a private sector-like solution to a major problem, and it will lead to outsized growth in the future.

It doesn't take an economic PHD to predict that when you loosen government regulation on companies, M&A activity, etc.....growth will follow. Wall Street understands this. And especially with smaller businesses. The Russell 2000 is up 10% this week. That is an absolutely huge move signalling the expectation that not just the largest companies will prosper in Trump's economy....smaller businesses will as well. Trump isn't going to Tarriff anyone huge amounts. But he absolutely will threaten it in order to negotiate a better deal with our foreign trade partners. An America first policy that gives two shits about being popular with Europeans / Chinese / Mexicans will (shocker) lead to a good economic outcome for Americans.

Bottom line - it won't show up immediately, but by the end of his term and into his successor's term, Trump policy will have led to a great outcome economically for Americans across all racial and wealth demos. It isn't Trump per se, it is how capitalism and an emphasis on the private sector works. His policy is simple: Let it.

Foreign Wars

Trump uses financial leverage on Iran to bring peace in the Middle East, as he did the first time. This will be popular....pretty universally popular domestically. I don't see where the argument could be against this. Iran will be held in check because they know Trump would not be afraid to straight-up assasinate their leaders. Amazing how that works, especially when your enemies know you don't give a shit what the US media thinks about it. Remember how the media said "Trump is gonna start a war with Iran" when he assasinated their general? Wrong - he prevented one, and kept them in check against our only ally in the middle East - Israel.

Trump uses financial and other leverage on Putin / Zalensky to bring peace in Europe. This will be unpopular on the left. There will be those that say whatever outcome was negotiated "handed Putin victory" and that he is now more likely to attack NATO. I frankly think that is bullshit. Bottom line is that a placated Putin creates a safer world. And to the extent Trump does provide Putin with a way to save face and exit the war....it will be countered with private and real threats that he will destroy Putin if he attacks NATO. This is such a bloody war, and it needs to end.

Enjoyed reading that! What about immigration? Workers that have been in the US 5-10 plus years and working in the service industry, construction, agriculture and other jobs where small business will suffer significantly without their labor force. These people frame your house, paint your home, clean your home, etc. somebody better get a plan other than, send them all back. These are the same people that are cleaning President Trumps hotels.

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

The end game is for Russia to give back all the land they have invaded and bring Ukraine into NATO so that this doesn’t happen anymore.

Well, ultimately, the end game is regime change in Russia so they can be normal. But that’s unlikely any time soon.

The article seems to indicate that goal
Isn’t attainable. If so why continue to fund this bloodshed with tax dollars?

I understand your feeeling. But allowing Russia to blow up labor and delivery hospitals, kill Ukrainian civilians, torture and mutilate Ukrainian troops is hardly the “just” thing to do. That aggression cannot stand! It’s both amoral and foolish to let it go unpunished.

Ben Shapiro and Bill Maher just talked about this and it’s relevant for a lot of folks in this thread.

What is war?
What does it mean to be at war?
How do you win a war?

All discussed in Bill Maher’s conversation. It’s on YouTube.

Long story short - you either kill all the other side’s troops (not common these days) or you make them give up through military and economic pain. Russia is importing troops from another county. The end is near.

Let us not be cowards now. We would want someone to come to our defense. Especially if that entity easily had the means.

the cnn article says the exact opposite. No way Putin just pullls out.

 

[DawglegrightinSC]

I understand and occasionally feel the same way you do.

But relitigating thr Iraq war is not fruitful. We had evidence that they had WMDs. We did not find them. We took out a dictator to decrease the chances he could strike us. We thought that Arabs were more ready for democracy than they are. That is a lesson we should have learned centuries ago. It’s very difficult for any country to be both Islamic and civilized.

To be clear, no one is advocating starting a war with Russia. No one. Anywhere.

But supplying Ukrainian troops with weapons, food, etc. so they can kill the Russians is an amazing proposition that we should all fully support.

And as I mentioned earlier, everyone on this board supported it when the invasion started.

We have soldiers in Ukraine. We have given them weapons and training to strike deep into Russia. That is enough to start a war. we are playing a game with too much to lose. Also, we are now unprepared to deter or fight China if they attack Taiwan. We and Europe pushed Russia into this and now there is no real good outcome. My dad was a Marine Colonel and served for 32 years. My brother was a Marine and now my nephew is. Their lives are worth more than anything Ukraine has to offer.

 

[TivoliDawg]

We have soldiers in Ukraine. We have given them weapons and training to strike deep into Russia. That is enough to start a war. we are playing a game with too much to lose. Also, we are now unprepared to deter or fight China if they attack Taiwan. We and Europe pushed Russia into this and now there is no real good outcome. My dad was a Marine Colonel and served for 32 years. My brother was a Marine and now my nephew is. Their lives are worth more than anything Ukraine has to offer.

We pushed Russia into this?

Wow. I’ve posted multiple examples of Russian propaganda being cited on this board but this might be the best one yet.

Putin identified that Trump was an opening for massive propaganda and he is/ was right.

Now we have actual Republican men scared to go to war. Unbelievable.

 

[DawglegrightinSC]

We pushed Russia into this?

Wow. I’ve posted multiple examples of Russian propaganda being cited on this board but this might be the best one yet.

Putin identified that Trump was an opening for massive propaganda and he is/ was right.

Now we have actual Republican men scared to go to war. Unbelievable.

Ok, you are just making sh$# up now. It takes a real brave man to send other peoples sons and daughters off to die or be maimed. We have had over 40,000 veterans commit suicide since 911. Far more than we lost in all of those useless wars. We are $35 trillion in debt and moving quickly to where interest alone will be more than any other item in our budget. So you want to keep printing money and giving it away?

We and NATO have pushed closer and closer towards Russia which is what we had agreed not to do. We were talking about adding Ukraine to NATO which we promised we would not do. If Russia started moving into Mexico or S America what do you think we would do.

Also, the the CIA backed a coup back in 2014 in Ukraine. there are recordings of Victoria Nuland hand picking people to take over Ukraine. We were meddling in something we should not have.

 

[TivoliDawg]

Ok, you are just making sh$# up now. It takes a real brave man to send other peoples sons and daughters off to die or be maimed. We have had over 40,000 veterans commit suicide since 911. Far more than we lost in all of those useless wars. We are $35 trillion in debt and moving quickly to where interest alone will be more than any other item in our budget. So you want to keep printing money and giving it away?

We and NATO have pushed closer and closer towards Russia which is what we had agreed not to do. We were talking about adding Ukraine to NATO which we promised we would not do. If Russia started moving into Mexico or S America what do you think we would do.

Also, the the CIA backed a coup back in 2014 in Ukraine. there are recordings of Victoria Nuland hand picking people to take over Ukraine. We were meddling in something we should not have.

I don’t have time to educate random posters on history.

But NATO was formed after the USSR, not before. NATO is a response to Russian aggression, not a provocation of Russian aggression.

The only reason NATO is even debating adding Ukraine is (yet again) in response to Russia’s illegal, deadly war mongering.

The fact that you don’t know these basic things, means that either you did not get a great education, or you did and Russian propaganda has taken over.

 

[DawglegrightinSC]

I don’t have time to educate random posters on history.

But NATO was formed after the USSR, not before. NATO is a response to Russian aggression, not a provocation of Russian aggression.

The only reason NATO is even debating adding Ukraine is (yet again) in response to Russia’s illegal, deadly war mongering.

The fact that you don’t know these basic things, means that either you did not get a great education, or you did and Russian propaganda has taken over.

It would not really be educating me when it is all misinformation you spew but thanks for playing.