Why would a non President even have access to classified documents. Biden had these documents and he was just a Senator. He should never had them to start with!
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Can you tell me why they asked him for the documents? Many presidents have taken classified documents and they were treated much more politely to start with. The president has the ability to declassify documents under his authority so the way that the whole process was approached was very confrontational from the start. He is an ass and he likes to push buttons. What is deemed classified has a wide range of significance and the vast majority only need a true classified designation for a short period of time. You are giving to much credit to the medias framing of this situation. There have been many more serious in nature issues with other presidents and politicians in the past and yet they were basically deemed not worthy of true consideration.
You have got to be kidding me. I did not ask you about the biden presidency. I asked you about things his appointees did. Thats your latest whine about Trump... You obviously can't answer because you haven't even attempted. You are here almost daily complaining about this or that with trump and he has been in office a total of 4.5 days. SMH you sound just like the dims. You deflect when it is pointed out to you your hypocrisy.
Now as far as the Biden presidency stuff. 1. Trump was wrong on warp speed and biden continued being wrong.
2. AS I told you, get off the msm, you are wrong on unemployment. We wont go into those that have left the work force and no longer apply either. But here you go. https://usafacts.org/answers/what-is-the-unemployment-rate/country/united-states/
3. If you think the billions and billions we sent to ukraine was good thats on you. UNGOOD> Also if he was a real president it would have ended long ago. 4, Biden 1/2 A$$ supported Isreal: https://www.bing.com/search?q=biden...a1c45ea90056e91f60ac55d&pc=HCTS&adppc=EDGEESS
biden has also sent mega money to hamas.
If he was such a wonderful supporter of isreal,,,, tell me why oh why did it take until trump won the election and told hamas there would heck to pay?
You can't go on because 1. you didn't start yet and 2. there is nothing good about the biden presidency. If anything at all positive was done, it was accidental and not because of a policy put forth by those idiots and furthermore it was terribly offset by all the harm he and his admin did to this country. You can be soft, and try to pal up with chat libs and cry and whine about trump but its not a good look. He is doing exactly what we need to try and take the country back from the woke anti America dim la la world policies.
I mean, it’s not only president to have access to classified documents. Tens of thousands of people access them and create them all throughout levels of the government.
Lol.
You literally said above “there were no positives the last four years“. I then listed the positives. Do I need to screenshot your own post and re-post it so you can read it? Can you not find your old post? This is weird.
Also, I don’t think you understand how a political debate works. My position is that some cabinet members are either unqualified or overall bad. I then listed the reasons for that. If you agree, great, explain why you agree. If you disagree, that’s great too, explain why you disagree.
But it doesn’t make any sense to ask me to go dig up Biden‘s appointees and things I liked about them when 1) I don’t like a lot about them and 2) I’m not taking requests at this time. Lol.
I don’t know if that’s this message board in particular, or a symptom of people using too much Twitter, or what, but pointing to other bad behavior does not justify bad behavior. I feel like I’m lecturing my nine year old. If you can explain and justify some of the things that RFK has said, great, I’d love to hear it. But claiming that other presidents have also nominated incompetent people does not in any way justify RFK.
If you can make qualifications for Pete being in charge of the department of defense, great, I’d love to hear it.
But to say that Trump is allowed to nominate unqualified people because other presidents have nominated unqualified people is stupid.
I will ask you a basic question about the classified docs issue. Which do you prefer? A president that has them locked up in his home, like Obama, Clinton and Trump. Or Biden who had them on his coffee table and in the console of his corvette. Which his crackhead son drove often.
Only a president can declassify them. And how or when he does that is highly debated. Some say he can literally think they are declassified and it is ok. I don’t prescribe to that, but it is that broad a power that is debated. A senator or vp has no power to declassify anything. So Biden having them in his home for over 20 years is a little crazy. Especially when you consider his family got rich off using his name for influence.
Man he can nominate anyone he wants to. If they don’t like it then don’t confirm him. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean he is not qualified.
Well I still say a Senator should not have access to classified documents. Someone said he did this while he was Vice President. I think you’re wrong on that, he had those while he was in the Senate.
1) of course the president can nominate anyone he wants
2) you are correct, just because somebody doesn’t like someone does not mean they are not qualified.
3) I like Pete Hegseth
4) he is not qualified to lead the department of defense
All four things above are true.
As I posted earlier, I think people are having a hard time understanding with the word “qualified“ means. Just because you like someone does not mean they are qualified and just because you dislike someone does not mean they are unqualified.
Did Obama, Bush, and Clinton take classified documents? They may have but I’m sorry I don’t remember it.
Trump definitely did and refused to give them back.
Biden definitely did and gave them back when asked.
Both are wrong, but what Trump did there is more wrong.
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You don’t remember the whole Clinton deal with classified docs in his damn sock drawer. It was a huge deal
It is all a big mess of an argument for attorneys and judges to hash out, but yes. Clinton kept all his presidential and some of our country’s secrets on tapes in his sock drawer.
Cliffs. He was interviewed 79 times by a historian during his presidency about any and everything that happened. He kept those interviews in his sock drawer. They all have declassified documents in their museums
Not trying to burst anyone’s bubble, but of course senators and house members have access to classified documents. That’s how Congress works.
Biden was not president and kept. Obama kept tons. Look it up. As of now, I no longer believe you are pub are conservative. You spend to much time trying to rear down the incoming republican president. You must be will under another name. You are all about getting trump while conveniently forgetting everything the other guys have done.
Not trying to be a jerk but, did you click the link you posted? It very clearly states that there is no parallel between Bill Clinton keeping copies of an interview he did with a historian and Donald Trump taking classified documents. There was even a lawsuit to try to get those tapes classified as such and the suit was thrown out.
That is a link that I would post to support my argument, not yours lol.
Tiv. Biden had them at his home. He had no reason to have them at his home from his time as a senator and vp.
Here is the ridiculous and funny thing. He chastised Trump for being stupid and having them at home. All the while, that dipstick didn’t even know he had red taped docs in his home out in the open.
Just when you think it couldn’t be worse. This asshole had none at his home from his current presidency. Why you ask? They didn’t trust his compromised ass to take them home. 🤦♂️
I totally agree.
I think Congress should make a rule that if any president is caught in possession of classified documents after they leave office. They are guilty of a felony. Who would not support that?
I noticed that nobody has answered the question I asked a while ago, why would any president take any of these classified documents with them when they leave office? How does that happen?
@TivoliDawg - You can't argue with this because the man knows everything - just ask him.
Yes there is a parralel. You can’t talk about these things with other people and not declassify them. Which is what bill did. It is what they had on Trump. The one case that actually made a little sense when they went after him. Don’t be naive and obtuse tiv. Only a lefty slanted article says this. You are so much better. Damn man. Come on. It was an argument his lawyers would absolutely have used and were using.
The fbi interviewed Biden because he spoke with a ghostwriter about things not declassified. You are playing catch up and not paying attention. The left never reports the truth about anything. I wish that wasn’t true but there are thousands of instances where they just flat lie for a narrative.
Just read the part of the article under relevant. Not the opinions of a few lawyers. Good lord brother.
I do not know any other way to say this – the tapes that Bill Clinton took with him that were in his sock drawer are not, and were not, classified documents. There was even a lawsuit to hash out the matter, and the lawsuit is clear, they are not classified documents.
I don’t know what else to say about it. Lol.
Donald Trump took documents that were classified from the White House and kept them at his home. It was not a mistake. When he was notified about it by the FBI, he refused to hand them over. Which resulted in the raid. That’s a decision that he made. I don’t know any other way to talk about this.
Re read that article to the bottom. They give a right biased lawyer opinion too dude. Stop reading just the lefty rebuttal. Got to read things thru tiv. See both sides. Sheesh
I totally agree. They shouldn’t have them at home. None of them. But they all do it. Every single one of them. It isn’t even argued.
Also, it was trumps’s opinion that as president he could declassify them whenever he wants. The powers are broad and debated tiv. Stop listening to the msm. It is so slanted. Find out what everyone says about it.
Not totally true. There are different levels of classification. You can only see to the level of your clearance. Not all senators can see all documents. Biden's documents came from when he was VP. As VP he had no ability to declassify. Trump as president could declassify. A big deal was made to try and get trump and you FELL FOR IT> SMH. Biden had "top secrete compartmentalized" documents in an open box in his garage at a house his crack head son lived in.
Do we both agree that any president caught in possession of classified documents after they leave office should be charged with a felony?
If you have an explanation for why Trump took the documents, and why he refused to give them back when the FBI requested them, I would love to hear it.
But again, pointing to bad behavior by other people does not justify bad behavior by Donald Trump or his cabinet appointees.
If I asked a liberal why Biden’s cabinet appointees were so bad, I would not accept from them as an answer “well George Bush had bad Cabinet appointees too”.
Also, you ever wonder why Trump didn’t trust the fbi when dealing with this. They had just admitted they wasted 40 million dollars by over pursuing Trump. (Steele bs dossier)Check the Durham report. They also admitted to giving Hillary a pass and treated her differently. These are facts. The fbi literally confessed to this. Would you trust them with anything without going thru everything and checking to see where you may be vulnerable. Just common sense.I do not know any other way to say this – the tapes that Bill Clinton took with him that were in his sock drawer are not, and were not, classified documents. There was even a lawsuit to hash out the matter, and the lawsuit is clear, they are not classified documents.
I don’t know what else to say about it. Lol.
Donald Trump took documents that were classified from the White House and kept them at his home. It was not a mistake. When he was notified about it by the FBI, he refused to hand them over. Which resulted in the raid. That’s a decision that he made. I don’t know any other way to talk about this.
Cliffs: Durham said they should have investigated for two weeks max after what was found. That isn’t what happened. In the meantime he was impeached for what again? 🤦♂️
Special counsel John Durham concludes FBI never should have launched full Trump-Russia probe | CNN Politics
Special counsel John Durham concluded that the FBI should never have launched a full investigation into connections between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, according to a report compiled over three years by the Trump-administration appointee and released on Monday.
Interesting hypothesis.
Maybe Donald Trump was nervous about dealing with the FBI. I think that’s a ridiculous hypothesis, but maybe you are correct.
So why would he not hand the classified documents that were requested over to his attorney and allow the attorney to work with the FBI to restore the documents? Furthermore, if he’s so nervous about the FBI, why did he keep meeting with them all the time? And why did they keep moving the records around Mar-a-Lago at different points?
I don’t think there is evidence that support the claim that he was nervous about meeting with the FBI.
And even if he did not trust them, he does not have to trust them. He has an army of attorneys, who work for him, just like most rich guys, he could give the documents to them, and they can work it all out.
And again, if anybody can give me a good answer on why Donald Trump left the White House with racks of classified documents, I am all ears, and would love to hear it.
Special counsel John Durham concludes FBI never should have launched full Trump-Russia probe | CNN Politics
Special counsel John Durham concluded that the FBI should never have launched a full investigation into connections between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, according to a report compiled over three years by the Trump-administration appointee and released on Monday.
I was late to post this. This article will make it clear.
I have tons of reasons why Trump did it. None of them very good. But I don’t believe anything he did was nefarious. He had the power to bring them home by his interpretation of his powers there. He supposedly got caught on tape bragging about them. That actually turned out to get debunked. I think it was ego tiv, and he believed he had the right to declassify them at any time. When he found out that may not be the case he knew he was exposed. This was the case I always worried about. Instead the left focused on the rest of the bs cases and put him right back in office. Thank god!
I understand your position. You, me, and cherry are really mixing it up today. Lol.Special counsel John Durham concludes FBI never should have launched full Trump-Russia probe | CNN Politics
Special counsel John Durham concluded that the FBI should never have launched a full investigation into connections between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, according to a report compiled over three years by the Trump-administration appointee and released on Monday.amp.cnn.com
I was late to post this. This article will make it clear.
I have tons of reasons why Trump did it. None of them very good. But I don’t believe anything he did was nefarious. He had the power to bring them home by his interpretation of his powers there. He supposedly got caught on tape bragging about them. That actually turned out to get debunked. I think it was ego tiv, and he believed he had the right to declassify them at any time. When he found out that may not be the case he knew he was exposed. This was the case I always worried about. Instead the left focused on the rest of the bs cases and put him right back in office. Thank god!
My offer stands, if anyone can explain to me why Donald Trump took boxes and boxes of classified documents from the White House, and refused to hand them over to the FBI when they were requested, I am all ears.
You are not worth the debate. Biden’s was much worse. You are to arrogant to know how much you do not know. I can name many cabinet officials that you would say that were probably qualified and they were ineffective and many were inept. There is more to what makes a person qualified than what you are focusing on.
Very few things are as clear cut obvious as many think. Usually there is some truth to both sides of an argument and too many people hold to their view without understanding there are many factors which might not be obvious to everyone.
We are. I know they are getting frustrated with you. You have been around a long time brother. I know your heart is in the right place. Not sure your brain is.
He didn’t trust the fbi. He also realized he may be vulnerable. Pretty obvious. Now. He was totally vindicated here. The fbi went thru his wife’s panty drawer, and authorized the use of deadly force in their search. He was a former president. I hate Biden like you do Trump. Neither deserve that kind of treatment ever. The office still deserves respect.
He did take classified documents like so many President’s did in the past. The difference is there were not so many people trying to find any anything they could to destroy them like they are Trump. Had either party been so hell bent to destroy a previous president they could have done the same thing. There are so many things happening over the last 10 to 12 years that are unprecedented and would have never been considered an option prior to Trump. I would be very happy with another candidate besides Trump and I never voted for him in the primaries. But the vitriol, deception, out right lies and the ends justify the means approach the left, the media and even some of the republicans have used to try to convict and discredit him has done more harm to our country than I think any of us realize. Sorry to ramble.
How bout all that great leadership and smartness from the victims at Abby Gate?? Im freaking waiting
Yeah man, you are gonna have to go find that quote. Just like a dim you are changing what has been said to support your narrative. I HAVE ASKED YOU REPEATEDLY ABOUT WHAT BIDENS APPOINTEES DID TO MAKE YOU THINK THEY WERE QUALIFIED IN COMPARIOSON TO TRUMPS??? I did not specifically say Biden himself, although. I would be very secure in saying that. As I said before. We totally disagree on warp speed. The vax was awful. etc etc etc. you are wrong on unemployment too. etc etcetc.
The reason you should dig them up is because you are ultra negative on the trump nominees. You should, for those of us not as wise as you, show us how a real nominee should be, the things they are able to accomplish, and above all, how they were not beholden to biden and his polices. LMBO
Yes, I know you are not taking request because it would be revealing for you. I am not your 9 year old. I am also not some whining crying lib. which I am reminded of. I'm willing to give the president a change. WE CERTAINLY Need that after the last 4 yrs.
I gave you a good piece on Hegseths qualifications. The one's they don't list are things like, I believe he loves his country unlike the woke dims previously in the place, I also believe he understands what the man in the field goes through. Many of those you believe would be qualified are most likely desk jockeys with nothing on their mind other than promoting themselves.
What are you waiting for? I’m not sure I understand the question. Are you talking about the bombing in Afghanistan 15 years ago?
No problem. I don’t do your post as a ramble.
I think we’re making some progress. We both now admit that Trump took classified documents from the White House. Now the next question is, why did he not give them back when the FBI asked for them?
the one in 21 that killed 13 service men and women and 182 afghans.
Trump and Marcus Arelius cut from the same cloth.
“A prefect or a senator maybe…someone who understands Rome’s politics…”
“But you have not been corrupted by her politics!”
In my humble opinion, libs don’t get to complain about Pete. Dems neutered our military through DEI and social experiments rather than merit based initiatives. I say shut up and give the man a chance. Your way failed.
