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clrushton1

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This is going to be long so read it if you want, but I am going to at least tell my story.

I made the decision to join the federal government last year around this time. I had been a state government employee for the previous 14 years and my dream job finally opened in the feds. This was a job I had dreamed about joining for at least 10 years. A job that I watched multiple times get posted, only to find out it wasn't open to the public and thus I wasn't eligible. So I kept grinding in my state job hoping for a chance one day. Mind you, this state job was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed it, enjoyed the people I worked with. However, I wanted to move to the federal side because of the better opportunities for career advancement. Now some might read "career advancement" and think to themselves it doesn't belong in federal government. And that's fine if you think that way, but just remember to attract quality candidates you have to have quality pay. If you pay McDonald's salaries you will get McDonald's quality. Also, the type of work I do is not typically suited for the private sector. I'm not going to give specific details but let's just say it deals with the outdoors, and leave it at that.

So with that backstory out of the way, fast forward to this time last year when I started my federal career. I loved it. Loved the job, loved the people, loved the office. I'm busting my ass doing this job because 1) I have a fantastic work ethic that was instilled in me by my parents, 2) I'm passionate about the work I was doing, and 3) I was serving the American people and trying to do right by them. A couple of months go by and I find out my supervisor is making a lateral move to another state, a move that was better for his family and I'm proud and happy for him. However, that left a void in his position. I stepped into his role and tried to learn the nuances of my new position, plus his. I was essentially doing what I could to do both jobs. I would say that it probably ended up being more 80% his job, 20% the one I was actually hired for. This "new" position I was in didn't come with extra compensation, just a whole lot more stress and headache. Once again though, I loved the people I worked with and if I hadn't stepped in it would have hurt them. So I was glad to do it. And yes, there was the thought in the back of my mind that this would set me up nicely to get the promotion to his job once it was posted. I had been receiving glowing reviews from my new assigned supervisor and everyone else in the office. I will say it was nice for so many people to recognize the hard work that I was putting in.

Three days ago I receive a phone call and was told then that I would be terminated because I was still in my probationary period, meaning I had less than a year of service. In fact, I had 11 months 2 weeks of service in. That's right, I was 15 days away from being out of my probationary period. I was devastated, still am. The four stages of grief are real as I've been going through them. One of the biggest kicks to the pants of that phone call was I was told my termination letter would state the reason I was let go is because of poor performance. I was told in actuality that is furthest from the truth and that my performance had been outstanding. They can't do that right, that's a complete lie so there's no way right? Well I received the email the next day and sure enough it said "The Agency finds, based on your performance, that you have not demonstrated that your further employment at the Agency would be in the public interest. For this reason, the Agency informs you that the Agency is removing you from your position of ******* with the Agency and the federal civil service effective immediately." I have so many thoughts about this. First, note how impersonal that is and they couldn't even figure out the widget or whatever it takes to actually state the agency I worked for...just says "the Agency". Second I have never had a poor performance review. So please produce for me a document stating that. I will be calling HR on Tuesday (Monday is a federal holiday) and requesting it, which they won't be able to do because it doesn't exist.

I was not the only one in my office that received this exact letter, with wording about "poor performance", even though they had been receiving glowing reviews also. In fact, 99% of the people in my office receive glowing reviews. They are all extremely hard workers and care about the job they do. They aren't remote workers out playing golf on the clock. They are field staff who put in long hours when needed and truly dedicate themselves to their craft. I have been in contact with many that are still employed, at least at the moment, and they are devastated by our recent terminations. I have told them that I'm not trying to be an alarmist but they had better start looking for other jobs as well. Probationary employees are just the first round. No one knows what the next wave is going to look like, but trust that there will be a next wave.

I have no idea what the future is going to hold. I have no idea what this vaunted holy grail private sector is going to look like. Especially after the job market is flooded with recently fired feds. Once again I'll say, my career isn't exactly suited to the private sector. So it's either a career change where I've spent 15+ years gathering experience, or going back to the state. I'm perfectly willing to go back to the state, but the financial hit is going to suck. Having said that, maybe the state would give me more job security so that I'm not beholden to the wims of political administrations every 4 years. Of course there are governor elections every 4 years, so maybe that's wrong....a thought I would have never even entertained before the last couple of weeks.

I'm not posting this to garner any empathy, change anyone's political minds, or ask for any assistance. I'm an adult and can figure things out on my own. In fact I'm betting if you've been willing to read this, it might garner a "well that sucks for that guy" or "sorry you're going through this", and then you'll move on. That's to be expected. We are strangers on a message board. You don't know me any more than I know you. I hope that this never happens to you though because the human element is real. I guess I'm posting this to vent. Typing this has almost been therapeutic and allowed me to use this forum as a sounding board. But perhaps more importantly I'm posting this so that people can see the actual truth behind this chaos. This isn't firing people for actual poor performance. It's hiding behind the idea of poor performance to justify terminating thousands and thousands of people. It's appealing to the masses who see these firings and think to themselves "yeah let's get rid of these wastes, these weeds". Just know you are being fed lies about some of the actual waste.

Having said all of that, I have one question for the folks on this board. It's pretty simple and I don't want to get into big debates about government waste and fraud. My question is...when you were told by this administration about cuts, is firing 100s of thousands of people what you had in mind? That's it, that's all I want to know. I'm a taxpayer and I'd like government waste to be rooted out. But I damn sure didn't think that the federal employees were that waste.

I don't understand why federal employees have been vilified to the point where 100s of thousands of people losing their jobs is cheered and celebrated. I don't know what we did to anger so many people just because we had the audacity to have a career in the federal government. I don't know how we got to a point where people can no longer disagree without hating each other. I just hope we can come back from this point before it's too late.

Edit: I wanted to also mention that probationary employees that decided to take the "generous" severance package and replied resign to the email are now being fired instead and told they won't be receiving the severance. Also, if an employee promotes to a supervisor's position they are entered into a supervisor's probationary period for a year, no matter how long they had been on with their agency beforehand. There are multiple people like that who had 10+ years experience that recently promoted that were terminated. Again, just putting the facts out there from someone who has firsthand knowledge of the situation.
 
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This is going to be long so read it if you want, but I am going to at least tell my story.

I made the decision to join the federal government last year around this time. I had been a state government employee for the previous 14 years and my dream job finally opened in the feds. This was a job I had dreamed about joining for at least 10 years. A job that I watched multiple times get posted, only to find out it wasn't open to the public and thus I wasn't eligible. So I kept grinding in my state job hoping for a chance one day. Mind you, this state job was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed it, enjoyed the people I worked with. However, I wanted to move to the federal side because of the better opportunities for career advancement. Now some might read "career advancement" and think to themselves it doesn't belong in federal government. And that's fine if you think that way, but just remember to attract quality candidates you have to have quality pay. If you pay McDonald's salaries you will get McDonald's quality. Also, the type of work I do is not typically suited for the private sector. I'm not going to give specific details but let's just say it deals with the outdoors, and leave it at that.

So with that backstory out of the way, fast forward to this time last year when I started my federal career. I loved it. Loved the job, loved the people, loved the office. I'm busting my ass doing this job because 1) I have a fantastic work ethic that was instilled in me by my parents, 2) I'm passionate about the work I was doing, and 3) I was serving the American people and trying to do right by them. A couple of months go by and I find out my supervisor is making a lateral move to another state, a move that was better for his family and I'm proud and happy for him. However, that left a void in his position. I stepped into his role and tried to learn the nuances of my new position, plus his. I was essentially doing what I could to do both jobs. I would say that it probably ended up being more 80% his job, 20% the one I was actually hired for. This "new" position I was in didn't come with extra compensation, just a whole lot more stress and headache. Once again though, I loved the people I worked with and if I hadn't stepped in it would have hurt them. So I was glad to do it. And yes, there was the thought in the back of my mind that this would set me up nicely to get the promotion to his job once it was posted. I had been receiving glowing reviews from my new assigned supervisor and everyone else in the office. I will say it was nice for so many people to recognize the hard work that I was putting in.

Three days ago I receive a phone call and was told then that I would be terminated because I was still in my probationary period, meaning I had less than a year of service. In fact, I had 11 months 2 weeks of service in. That's right, I was 15 days away from being out of my probationary period. I was devastated, still am. The four stages of grief are real as I've been going through them. One of the biggest kicks to the pants of that phone call was I was told my termination letter would state the reason I was let go is because of poor performance. I was told in actuality that is furthest from the truth and that my performance had been outstanding. They can't do that right, that's a complete lie so there's no way right? Well I received the email the next day and sure enough it said "The Agency finds, based on your performance, that you have not demonstrated that your further employment at the Agency would be in the public interest. For this reason, the Agency informs you that the Agency is removing you from your position of ******* with the Agency and the federal civil service effective immediately." I have so many thoughts about this. First, note how impersonal that is and they couldn't even figure out the widget or whatever it takes to actually state the agency I worked for...just says "the Agency". Second I have never had a poor performance review. So please produce for me a document stating that. I will be calling HR on Tuesday (Monday is a federal holiday) and requesting it, which they won't be able to do because it doesn't exist.

I was not the only one in my office that received this exact letter, with wording about "poor performance", even though they had been receiving glowing reviews also. In fact, 99% of the people in my office receive glowing reviews. They are all extremely hard workers and care about the job they do. They aren't remote workers out playing golf on the clock. They are field staff who put in long hours when needed and truly dedicate themselves to their craft. I have been in contact with many that are still employed, at least at the moment, and they are devastated by our recent terminations. I have told them that I'm not trying to be an alarmist but they had better start looking for other jobs as well. Probationary employees are just the first round. No one knows what the next wave is going to look like, but trust that there will be a next wave.

I have no idea what the future is going to hold. I have no idea what this vaunted holy grail private sector is going to look like. Especially after the job market is flooded with recently fired feds. Once again I'll say, my career isn't exactly suited to the private sector. So it's either a career change where I've spent 15+ years gathering experience, or going back to the state. I'm perfectly willing to go back to the state, but the financial hit is going to suck. Having said that, maybe the state would give me more job security so that I'm not beholden to the wims of political administrations every 4 years. Of course there are governor elections every 4 years, so maybe that's wrong....a thought I would have never even entertained before the last couple of weeks.

I'm not posting this to garner any empathy, change anyone's political minds, or ask for any assistance. I'm an adult and can figure things out on my own. In fact I'm betting if you've been willing to read this, it might garner a "well that sucks for that guy" or "sorry you're going through this", and then you'll move on. That's to be expected. We are strangers on a message board. You don't know me any more than I know you. I guess I'm posting this to vent. Typing this has almost been therapeutic and allowed me to use this forum as a sounding board.

I have one question for the folks on this board. It's pretty simple and I don't want to get into big debates about government waste and fraud. My question is...when you were told by this administration about cuts, is firing 100s of thousands of people what you had in mind? That's it, that's all I want to know. I'm a taxpayer and I'd like government waste to be rooted out. But I damn sure didn't think that the federal employees were that waste.

I don't understand why federal employees have been vilified to the point where 100s of thousands of people losing their jobs is cheered and celebrated. I don't know what we did to anger so many people just because we had the audacity to have a career in the federal government. I don't know how we got to a point where people can no longer disagree without hating each other. I just hope we can come back from this point before it's too late.
1) sorry to hear this. Keep your head up. My recommendation is to keep working at the state level and re-apply once the federal job is open again. Elon’s move is always to cut costs by laying off indiscriminately and then hire back with structure.

2) is this what I had in mind? Kind of. I knew that Elon would do this and it makes me sad because I don’t view the employee as the problem, rather as a bright spot. That being said, I could easily see the federal workforce being 20% bloated or more. If a private company is, and they have to answer to shareholders, then that is probably conservative at the fed level. I was hoping for a plan to raise the SS age and cut Medicare fraud… we’ll see if either of those ever happen.

3) defense contractors have Ben ripping off the government for years so let’s see if Elon is as tough on them.
 
This is going to be long so read it if you want, but I am going to at least tell my story.

I made the decision to join the federal government last year around this time. I had been a state government employee for the previous 14 years and my dream job finally opened in the feds. This was a job I had dreamed about joining for at least 10 years. A job that I watched multiple times get posted, only to find out it wasn't open to the public and thus I wasn't eligible. So I kept grinding in my state job hoping for a chance one day. Mind you, this state job was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed it, enjoyed the people I worked with. However, I wanted to move to the federal side because of the better opportunities for career advancement. Now some might read "career advancement" and think to themselves it doesn't belong in federal government. And that's fine if you think that way, but just remember to attract quality candidates you have to have quality pay. If you pay McDonald's salaries you will get McDonald's quality. Also, the type of work I do is not typically suited for the private sector. I'm not going to give specific details but let's just say it deals with the outdoors, and leave it at that.

So with that backstory out of the way, fast forward to this time last year when I started my federal career. I loved it. Loved the job, loved the people, loved the office. I'm busting my ass doing this job because 1) I have a fantastic work ethic that was instilled in me by my parents, 2) I'm passionate about the work I was doing, and 3) I was serving the American people and trying to do right by them. A couple of months go by and I find out my supervisor is making a lateral move to another state, a move that was better for his family and I'm proud and happy for him. However, that left a void in his position. I stepped into his role and tried to learn the nuances of my new position, plus his. I was essentially doing what I could to do both jobs. I would say that it probably ended up being more 80% his job, 20% the one I was actually hired for. This "new" position I was in didn't come with extra compensation, just a whole lot more stress and headache. Once again though, I loved the people I worked with and if I hadn't stepped in it would have hurt them. So I was glad to do it. And yes, there was the thought in the back of my mind that this would set me up nicely to get the promotion to his job once it was posted. I had been receiving glowing reviews from my new assigned supervisor and everyone else in the office. I will say it was nice for so many people to recognize the hard work that I was putting in.

Three days ago I receive a phone call and was told then that I would be terminated because I was still in my probationary period, meaning I had less than a year of service. In fact, I had 11 months 2 weeks of service in. That's right, I was 15 days away from being out of my probationary period. I was devastated, still am. The four stages of grief are real as I've been going through them. One of the biggest kicks to the pants of that phone call was I was told my termination letter would state the reason I was let go is because of poor performance. I was told in actuality that is furthest from the truth and that my performance had been outstanding. They can't do that right, that's a complete lie so there's no way right? Well I received the email the next day and sure enough it said "The Agency finds, based on your performance, that you have not demonstrated that your further employment at the Agency would be in the public interest. For this reason, the Agency informs you that the Agency is removing you from your position of ******* with the Agency and the federal civil service effective immediately." I have so many thoughts about this. First, note how impersonal that is and they couldn't even figure out the widget or whatever it takes to actually state the agency I worked for...just says "the Agency". Second I have never had a poor performance review. So please produce for me a document stating that. I will be calling HR on Tuesday (Monday is a federal holiday) and requesting it, which they won't be able to do because it doesn't exist.

I was not the only one in my office that received this exact letter, with wording about "poor performance", even though they had been receiving glowing reviews also. In fact, 99% of the people in my office receive glowing reviews. They are all extremely hard workers and care about the job they do. They aren't remote workers out playing golf on the clock. They are field staff who put in long hours when needed and truly dedicate themselves to their craft. I have been in contact with many that are still employed, at least at the moment, and they are devastated by our recent terminations. I have told them that I'm not trying to be an alarmist but they had better start looking for other jobs as well. Probationary employees are just the first round. No one knows what the next wave is going to look like, but trust that there will be a next wave.

I have no idea what the future is going to hold. I have no idea what this vaunted holy grail private sector is going to look like. Especially after the job market is flooded with recently fired feds. Once again I'll say, my career isn't exactly suited to the private sector. So it's either a career change where I've spent 15+ years gathering experience, or going back to the state. I'm perfectly willing to go back to the state, but the financial hit is going to suck. Having said that, maybe the state would give me more job security so that I'm not beholden to the wims of political administrations every 4 years. Of course there are governor elections every 4 years, so maybe that's wrong....a thought I would have never even entertained before the last couple of weeks.

I'm not posting this to garner any empathy, change anyone's political minds, or ask for any assistance. I'm an adult and can figure things out on my own. In fact I'm betting if you've been willing to read this, it might garner a "well that sucks for that guy" or "sorry you're going through this", and then you'll move on. That's to be expected. We are strangers on a message board. You don't know me any more than I know you. I hope that this never happens to you though because the human element is real. I guess I'm posting this to vent. Typing this has almost been therapeutic and allowed me to use this forum as a sounding board.

I have one question for the folks on this board. It's pretty simple and I don't want to get into big debates about government waste and fraud. My question is...when you were told by this administration about cuts, is firing 100s of thousands of people what you had in mind? That's it, that's all I want to know. I'm a taxpayer and I'd like government waste to be rooted out. But I damn sure didn't think that the federal employees were that waste.

I don't understand why federal employees have been vilified to the point where 100s of thousands of people losing their jobs is cheered and celebrated. I don't know what we did to anger so many people just because we had the audacity to have a career in the federal government. I don't know how we got to a point where people can no longer disagree without hating each other. I just hope we can come back from this point before it's too late.

Ahh, the cruel hand of fate.
1977 when I got out of law school, the ayatollah of Iran shot down a helicopter.
I had 3 jobs, all right at or over $30k on the table and they all dried up, the economy went in the tank, and the offers were rescinded.

Like you, I didn’t have any other options at the ready because it appeared I was set.
Literally had a BBA in Finance, MBA in Economics, and a UGA Law Degree with zero job outlook.

The best advice I got was “Circumstances don’t make the man, they reveal him.” However, advice didn’t put bread on the table and had to work hourly labor until I got on with IBM 90 days after graduation.

Has permanently changed my outlook on life from one of expectation to one of gratitude.

You are in my prayers.
 
This is going to be long so read it if you want, but I am going to at least tell my story.

I made the decision to join the federal government last year around this time. I had been a state government employee for the previous 14 years and my dream job finally opened in the feds. This was a job I had dreamed about joining for at least 10 years. A job that I watched multiple times get posted, only to find out it wasn't open to the public and thus I wasn't eligible. So I kept grinding in my state job hoping for a chance one day. Mind you, this state job was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed it, enjoyed the people I worked with. However, I wanted to move to the federal side because of the better opportunities for career advancement. Now some might read "career advancement" and think to themselves it doesn't belong in federal government. And that's fine if you think that way, but just remember to attract quality candidates you have to have quality pay. If you pay McDonald's salaries you will get McDonald's quality. Also, the type of work I do is not typically suited for the private sector. I'm not going to give specific details but let's just say it deals with the outdoors, and leave it at that.

So with that backstory out of the way, fast forward to this time last year when I started my federal career. I loved it. Loved the job, loved the people, loved the office. I'm busting my ass doing this job because 1) I have a fantastic work ethic that was instilled in me by my parents, 2) I'm passionate about the work I was doing, and 3) I was serving the American people and trying to do right by them. A couple of months go by and I find out my supervisor is making a lateral move to another state, a move that was better for his family and I'm proud and happy for him. However, that left a void in his position. I stepped into his role and tried to learn the nuances of my new position, plus his. I was essentially doing what I could to do both jobs. I would say that it probably ended up being more 80% his job, 20% the one I was actually hired for. This "new" position I was in didn't come with extra compensation, just a whole lot more stress and headache. Once again though, I loved the people I worked with and if I hadn't stepped in it would have hurt them. So I was glad to do it. And yes, there was the thought in the back of my mind that this would set me up nicely to get the promotion to his job once it was posted. I had been receiving glowing reviews from my new assigned supervisor and everyone else in the office. I will say it was nice for so many people to recognize the hard work that I was putting in.

Three days ago I receive a phone call and was told then that I would be terminated because I was still in my probationary period, meaning I had less than a year of service. In fact, I had 11 months 2 weeks of service in. That's right, I was 15 days away from being out of my probationary period. I was devastated, still am. The four stages of grief are real as I've been going through them. One of the biggest kicks to the pants of that phone call was I was told my termination letter would state the reason I was let go is because of poor performance. I was told in actuality that is furthest from the truth and that my performance had been outstanding. They can't do that right, that's a complete lie so there's no way right? Well I received the email the next day and sure enough it said "The Agency finds, based on your performance, that you have not demonstrated that your further employment at the Agency would be in the public interest. For this reason, the Agency informs you that the Agency is removing you from your position of ******* with the Agency and the federal civil service effective immediately." I have so many thoughts about this. First, note how impersonal that is and they couldn't even figure out the widget or whatever it takes to actually state the agency I worked for...just says "the Agency". Second I have never had a poor performance review. So please produce for me a document stating that. I will be calling HR on Tuesday (Monday is a federal holiday) and requesting it, which they won't be able to do because it doesn't exist.

I was not the only one in my office that received this exact letter, with wording about "poor performance", even though they had been receiving glowing reviews also. In fact, 99% of the people in my office receive glowing reviews. They are all extremely hard workers and care about the job they do. They aren't remote workers out playing golf on the clock. They are field staff who put in long hours when needed and truly dedicate themselves to their craft. I have been in contact with many that are still employed, at least at the moment, and they are devastated by our recent terminations. I have told them that I'm not trying to be an alarmist but they had better start looking for other jobs as well. Probationary employees are just the first round. No one knows what the next wave is going to look like, but trust that there will be a next wave.

I have no idea what the future is going to hold. I have no idea what this vaunted holy grail private sector is going to look like. Especially after the job market is flooded with recently fired feds. Once again I'll say, my career isn't exactly suited to the private sector. So it's either a career change where I've spent 15+ years gathering experience, or going back to the state. I'm perfectly willing to go back to the state, but the financial hit is going to suck. Having said that, maybe the state would give me more job security so that I'm not beholden to the wims of political administrations every 4 years. Of course there are governor elections every 4 years, so maybe that's wrong....a thought I would have never even entertained before the last couple of weeks.

I'm not posting this to garner any empathy, change anyone's political minds, or ask for any assistance. I'm an adult and can figure things out on my own. In fact I'm betting if you've been willing to read this, it might garner a "well that sucks for that guy" or "sorry you're going through this", and then you'll move on. That's to be expected. We are strangers on a message board. You don't know me any more than I know you. I hope that this never happens to you though because the human element is real. I guess I'm posting this to vent. Typing this has almost been therapeutic and allowed me to use this forum as a sounding board. But perhaps more importantly I'm posting this so that people can see the actual truth behind this chaos. This isn't firing people for actual poor performance. It's hiding behind the idea of poor performance to justify terminating thousands and thousands of people. It's appealing to the masses who see these firings and think to themselves "yeah let's get rid of these wastes, these weeds". Just know you are being fed lies about some of the actual waste.

Having said all of that, I have one question for the folks on this board. It's pretty simple and I don't want to get into big debates about government waste and fraud. My question is...when you were told by this administration about cuts, is firing 100s of thousands of people what you had in mind? That's it, that's all I want to know. I'm a taxpayer and I'd like government waste to be rooted out. But I damn sure didn't think that the federal employees were that waste.

I don't understand why federal employees have been vilified to the point where 100s of thousands of people losing their jobs is cheered and celebrated. I don't know what we did to anger so many people just because we had the audacity to have a career in the federal government. I don't know how we got to a point where people can no longer disagree without hating each other. I just hope we can come back from this point before it's too late.

Edit: I wanted to also mention that probationary employees that decided to take the "generous" severance package and replied resign to the email are now being fired instead and told they won't be receiving the severance. Also, if an employee promotes to a supervisor's position they are entered into a supervisor's probationary period for a year, no matter how long they had been on with their agency beforehand. There are multiple people like that who had 10+ years experience that recently promoted that were terminated. Again, just putting the facts out there from someone who has firsthand knowledge of the situation.
Sorry man. Getting laid off sucks. I’ll say a prayer for you.
 
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This is going to be long so read it if you want, but I am going to at least tell my story.

I made the decision to join the federal government last year around this time. I had been a state government employee for the previous 14 years and my dream job finally opened in the feds. This was a job I had dreamed about joining for at least 10 years. A job that I watched multiple times get posted, only to find out it wasn't open to the public and thus I wasn't eligible. So I kept grinding in my state job hoping for a chance one day. Mind you, this state job was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed it, enjoyed the people I worked with. However, I wanted to move to the federal side because of the better opportunities for career advancement. Now some might read "career advancement" and think to themselves it doesn't belong in federal government. And that's fine if you think that way, but just remember to attract quality candidates you have to have quality pay. If you pay McDonald's salaries you will get McDonald's quality. Also, the type of work I do is not typically suited for the private sector. I'm not going to give specific details but let's just say it deals with the outdoors, and leave it at that.

So with that backstory out of the way, fast forward to this time last year when I started my federal career. I loved it. Loved the job, loved the people, loved the office. I'm busting my ass doing this job because 1) I have a fantastic work ethic that was instilled in me by my parents, 2) I'm passionate about the work I was doing, and 3) I was serving the American people and trying to do right by them. A couple of months go by and I find out my supervisor is making a lateral move to another state, a move that was better for his family and I'm proud and happy for him. However, that left a void in his position. I stepped into his role and tried to learn the nuances of my new position, plus his. I was essentially doing what I could to do both jobs. I would say that it probably ended up being more 80% his job, 20% the one I was actually hired for. This "new" position I was in didn't come with extra compensation, just a whole lot more stress and headache. Once again though, I loved the people I worked with and if I hadn't stepped in it would have hurt them. So I was glad to do it. And yes, there was the thought in the back of my mind that this would set me up nicely to get the promotion to his job once it was posted. I had been receiving glowing reviews from my new assigned supervisor and everyone else in the office. I will say it was nice for so many people to recognize the hard work that I was putting in.

Three days ago I receive a phone call and was told then that I would be terminated because I was still in my probationary period, meaning I had less than a year of service. In fact, I had 11 months 2 weeks of service in. That's right, I was 15 days away from being out of my probationary period. I was devastated, still am. The four stages of grief are real as I've been going through them. One of the biggest kicks to the pants of that phone call was I was told my termination letter would state the reason I was let go is because of poor performance. I was told in actuality that is furthest from the truth and that my performance had been outstanding. They can't do that right, that's a complete lie so there's no way right? Well I received the email the next day and sure enough it said "The Agency finds, based on your performance, that you have not demonstrated that your further employment at the Agency would be in the public interest. For this reason, the Agency informs you that the Agency is removing you from your position of ******* with the Agency and the federal civil service effective immediately." I have so many thoughts about this. First, note how impersonal that is and they couldn't even figure out the widget or whatever it takes to actually state the agency I worked for...just says "the Agency". Second I have never had a poor performance review. So please produce for me a document stating that. I will be calling HR on Tuesday (Monday is a federal holiday) and requesting it, which they won't be able to do because it doesn't exist.

I was not the only one in my office that received this exact letter, with wording about "poor performance", even though they had been receiving glowing reviews also. In fact, 99% of the people in my office receive glowing reviews. They are all extremely hard workers and care about the job they do. They aren't remote workers out playing golf on the clock. They are field staff who put in long hours when needed and truly dedicate themselves to their craft. I have been in contact with many that are still employed, at least at the moment, and they are devastated by our recent terminations. I have told them that I'm not trying to be an alarmist but they had better start looking for other jobs as well. Probationary employees are just the first round. No one knows what the next wave is going to look like, but trust that there will be a next wave.

I have no idea what the future is going to hold. I have no idea what this vaunted holy grail private sector is going to look like. Especially after the job market is flooded with recently fired feds. Once again I'll say, my career isn't exactly suited to the private sector. So it's either a career change where I've spent 15+ years gathering experience, or going back to the state. I'm perfectly willing to go back to the state, but the financial hit is going to suck. Having said that, maybe the state would give me more job security so that I'm not beholden to the wims of political administrations every 4 years. Of course there are governor elections every 4 years, so maybe that's wrong....a thought I would have never even entertained before the last couple of weeks.

I'm not posting this to garner any empathy, change anyone's political minds, or ask for any assistance. I'm an adult and can figure things out on my own. In fact I'm betting if you've been willing to read this, it might garner a "well that sucks for that guy" or "sorry you're going through this", and then you'll move on. That's to be expected. We are strangers on a message board. You don't know me any more than I know you. I hope that this never happens to you though because the human element is real. I guess I'm posting this to vent. Typing this has almost been therapeutic and allowed me to use this forum as a sounding board. But perhaps more importantly I'm posting this so that people can see the actual truth behind this chaos. This isn't firing people for actual poor performance. It's hiding behind the idea of poor performance to justify terminating thousands and thousands of people. It's appealing to the masses who see these firings and think to themselves "yeah let's get rid of these wastes, these weeds". Just know you are being fed lies about some of the actual waste.

Having said all of that, I have one question for the folks on this board. It's pretty simple and I don't want to get into big debates about government waste and fraud. My question is...when you were told by this administration about cuts, is firing 100s of thousands of people what you had in mind? That's it, that's all I want to know. I'm a taxpayer and I'd like government waste to be rooted out. But I damn sure didn't think that the federal employees were that waste.

I don't understand why federal employees have been vilified to the point where 100s of thousands of people losing their jobs is cheered and celebrated. I don't know what we did to anger so many people just because we had the audacity to have a career in the federal government. I don't know how we got to a point where people can no longer disagree without hating each other. I just hope we can come back from this point before it's too late.

Edit: I wanted to also mention that probationary employees that decided to take the "generous" severance package and replied resign to the email are now being fired instead and told they won't be receiving the severance. Also, if an employee promotes to a supervisor's position they are entered into a supervisor's probationary period for a year, no matter how long they had been on with their agency beforehand. There are multiple people like that who had 10+ years experience that recently promoted that were terminated. Again, just putting the facts out there from someone who has firsthand knowledge of the situation.
Rush I am so sorry to hear this. I know someone who works as hard as you do will land on their feet. I am sure of it. But that doesn’t help right now I know. I work for a corporation. We hired a new ceo and I have had three pay cuts in 3 years. None the prior 20. New leadership in any sector isn’t always good for you.

When i cavalierly said trump is going to be the villian we need, this is unfortunately a part of it. What we hear and see happening isn’t going to be pretty. This makes me feel terrible for you. All I can say is I am sorry, and I will pray for you. Anything else I would say here would be patronizing. And you already know it without being told so.
 
Rush I am so sorry to hear this. I know someone who works as hard as you do will land on their feet. I am sure of it. But that doesn’t help right now I know. I work for a corporation. We hired a new ceo and I have had three pay cuts in 3 years. None the prior 20. New leadership in any sector isn’t always good for you.

When i cavalierly said trump is going to be the villian we need, this is unfortunately a part of it. What we hear and see happening isn’t going to be pretty. This makes me feel terrible for you. All I can say is I am sorry, and I will pray for you. Anything else I would say here would be patronizing. And you already know it without being told so.
I blame the Dems for your situation. They are the ones that bloated the Federal government by hiring when they didn’t need to. I know that is not going to make feel better but I am just saying not to blame yourself for this mess you just got caught up in it. Keep your head up and have faith in yourself and you will come out ok.👍
 
This is going to be long so read it if you want, but I am going to at least tell my story.

I made the decision to join the federal government last year around this time. I had been a state government employee for the previous 14 years and my dream job finally opened in the feds. This was a job I had dreamed about joining for at least 10 years. A job that I watched multiple times get posted, only to find out it wasn't open to the public and thus I wasn't eligible. So I kept grinding in my state job hoping for a chance one day. Mind you, this state job was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed it, enjoyed the people I worked with. However, I wanted to move to the federal side because of the better opportunities for career advancement. Now some might read "career advancement" and think to themselves it doesn't belong in federal government. And that's fine if you think that way, but just remember to attract quality candidates you have to have quality pay. If you pay McDonald's salaries you will get McDonald's quality. Also, the type of work I do is not typically suited for the private sector. I'm not going to give specific details but let's just say it deals with the outdoors, and leave it at that.

So with that backstory out of the way, fast forward to this time last year when I started my federal career. I loved it. Loved the job, loved the people, loved the office. I'm busting my ass doing this job because 1) I have a fantastic work ethic that was instilled in me by my parents, 2) I'm passionate about the work I was doing, and 3) I was serving the American people and trying to do right by them. A couple of months go by and I find out my supervisor is making a lateral move to another state, a move that was better for his family and I'm proud and happy for him. However, that left a void in his position. I stepped into his role and tried to learn the nuances of my new position, plus his. I was essentially doing what I could to do both jobs. I would say that it probably ended up being more 80% his job, 20% the one I was actually hired for. This "new" position I was in didn't come with extra compensation, just a whole lot more stress and headache. Once again though, I loved the people I worked with and if I hadn't stepped in it would have hurt them. So I was glad to do it. And yes, there was the thought in the back of my mind that this would set me up nicely to get the promotion to his job once it was posted. I had been receiving glowing reviews from my new assigned supervisor and everyone else in the office. I will say it was nice for so many people to recognize the hard work that I was putting in.

Three days ago I receive a phone call and was told then that I would be terminated because I was still in my probationary period, meaning I had less than a year of service. In fact, I had 11 months 2 weeks of service in. That's right, I was 15 days away from being out of my probationary period. I was devastated, still am. The four stages of grief are real as I've been going through them. One of the biggest kicks to the pants of that phone call was I was told my termination letter would state the reason I was let go is because of poor performance. I was told in actuality that is furthest from the truth and that my performance had been outstanding. They can't do that right, that's a complete lie so there's no way right? Well I received the email the next day and sure enough it said "The Agency finds, based on your performance, that you have not demonstrated that your further employment at the Agency would be in the public interest. For this reason, the Agency informs you that the Agency is removing you from your position of ******* with the Agency and the federal civil service effective immediately." I have so many thoughts about this. First, note how impersonal that is and they couldn't even figure out the widget or whatever it takes to actually state the agency I worked for...just says "the Agency". Second I have never had a poor performance review. So please produce for me a document stating that. I will be calling HR on Tuesday (Monday is a federal holiday) and requesting it, which they won't be able to do because it doesn't exist.

I was not the only one in my office that received this exact letter, with wording about "poor performance", even though they had been receiving glowing reviews also. In fact, 99% of the people in my office receive glowing reviews. They are all extremely hard workers and care about the job they do. They aren't remote workers out playing golf on the clock. They are field staff who put in long hours when needed and truly dedicate themselves to their craft. I have been in contact with many that are still employed, at least at the moment, and they are devastated by our recent terminations. I have told them that I'm not trying to be an alarmist but they had better start looking for other jobs as well. Probationary employees are just the first round. No one knows what the next wave is going to look like, but trust that there will be a next wave.

I have no idea what the future is going to hold. I have no idea what this vaunted holy grail private sector is going to look like. Especially after the job market is flooded with recently fired feds. Once again I'll say, my career isn't exactly suited to the private sector. So it's either a career change where I've spent 15+ years gathering experience, or going back to the state. I'm perfectly willing to go back to the state, but the financial hit is going to suck. Having said that, maybe the state would give me more job security so that I'm not beholden to the wims of political administrations every 4 years. Of course there are governor elections every 4 years, so maybe that's wrong....a thought I would have never even entertained before the last couple of weeks.

I'm not posting this to garner any empathy, change anyone's political minds, or ask for any assistance. I'm an adult and can figure things out on my own. In fact I'm betting if you've been willing to read this, it might garner a "well that sucks for that guy" or "sorry you're going through this", and then you'll move on. That's to be expected. We are strangers on a message board. You don't know me any more than I know you. I hope that this never happens to you though because the human element is real. I guess I'm posting this to vent. Typing this has almost been therapeutic and allowed me to use this forum as a sounding board. But perhaps more importantly I'm posting this so that people can see the actual truth behind this chaos. This isn't firing people for actual poor performance. It's hiding behind the idea of poor performance to justify terminating thousands and thousands of people. It's appealing to the masses who see these firings and think to themselves "yeah let's get rid of these wastes, these weeds". Just know you are being fed lies about some of the actual waste.

Having said all of that, I have one question for the folks on this board. It's pretty simple and I don't want to get into big debates about government waste and fraud. My question is...when you were told by this administration about cuts, is firing 100s of thousands of people what you had in mind? That's it, that's all I want to know. I'm a taxpayer and I'd like government waste to be rooted out. But I damn sure didn't think that the federal employees were that waste.

I don't understand why federal employees have been vilified to the point where 100s of thousands of people losing their jobs is cheered and celebrated. I don't know what we did to anger so many people just because we had the audacity to have a career in the federal government. I don't know how we got to a point where people can no longer disagree without hating each other. I just hope we can come back from this point before it's too late.

Edit: I wanted to also mention that probationary employees that decided to take the "generous" severance package and replied resign to the email are now being fired instead and told they won't be receiving the severance. Also, if an employee promotes to a supervisor's position they are entered into a supervisor's probationary period for a year, no matter how long they had been on with their agency beforehand. There are multiple people like that who had 10+ years experience that recently promoted that were terminated. Again, just putting the facts out there from someone who has firsthand knowledge of the situation.
can you elaborate on what lies are being fed to us about Government waste?
 
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40% of the people in this country simply hate the government and the people in it without any thought whatsoever that there may be many who are dedicated to serving their country through a job they love. The way jobs are being cut now without any vetting or plan that makes sense is simply a reflection of their attitudes and the people they have empowered.

The government needs trimming based on merit, but that takes too much time and effort. The angry mob wants its gratification quickly. Sorry you were caught up in it.
 
I blame the Dems for your situation. They are the ones that bloated the Federal government by hiring when they didn’t need to. I know that is not going to make feel better but I am just saying not to blame yourself for this mess you just got caught up in it. Keep your head up and have faith in yourself and you will come out ok.👍
What's interesting about this is you're blaming democrats for bloat. Perhaps some inner perspective on how we got here.

In February 1983 the federal workforce was 2.2 million. Right now it's 2.4 million, or a 9% increase. Let's look at the population of the United States over that time as well. After all, some of these programs and agencies would certainly need more staff to handle more requests from a growing public right (social security, medicare, veterans affairs, etc.)? In 1983 the population was 233.8 million. Presently the population is 343.5 million. That's a 47% increase in the population. So this "bloat" as you say is a little more in perspective, again as agencies have to handle more requests.

President Clinton, a DEMOCRAT, reduced the workforce through LEGAL RIFs in the mid 90s. So at it's lowest point between October 2000 when the workforce was 1.8 million, after Clinton's RIFs, to what it has "bloated" to today (to use your word), what the hell have republicans been doing for 25 years to allow the workforce to balloon to where it is? My point is, this party politics that has taken this country by storm is not always as black and white as some try to make it. There is blame to go around on both sides and the sooner supporters of both parties realize this the better we will be.

I appreciate the supportive words. I just wanted to present a different perspective. Not from across the aisle though because I belong to no aisle and am beholden to no party. I disdain both sides equally.
 
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can you elaborate on what lies are being fed to us about Government waste?
I was specifically referring to when people believe federal employees are the waste. In that instance, the lies being told are the probationary "wastes" being terminated were done so because of poor performance. That is the bold faced lie I was referring to.
 
This is going to be long so read it if you want, but I am going to at least tell my story.

I made the decision to join the federal government last year around this time. I had been a state government employee for the previous 14 years and my dream job finally opened in the feds. This was a job I had dreamed about joining for at least 10 years. A job that I watched multiple times get posted, only to find out it wasn't open to the public and thus I wasn't eligible. So I kept grinding in my state job hoping for a chance one day. Mind you, this state job was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed it, enjoyed the people I worked with. However, I wanted to move to the federal side because of the better opportunities for career advancement. Now some might read "career advancement" and think to themselves it doesn't belong in federal government. And that's fine if you think that way, but just remember to attract quality candidates you have to have quality pay. If you pay McDonald's salaries you will get McDonald's quality. Also, the type of work I do is not typically suited for the private sector. I'm not going to give specific details but let's just say it deals with the outdoors, and leave it at that.

So with that backstory out of the way, fast forward to this time last year when I started my federal career. I loved it. Loved the job, loved the people, loved the office. I'm busting my ass doing this job because 1) I have a fantastic work ethic that was instilled in me by my parents, 2) I'm passionate about the work I was doing, and 3) I was serving the American people and trying to do right by them. A couple of months go by and I find out my supervisor is making a lateral move to another state, a move that was better for his family and I'm proud and happy for him. However, that left a void in his position. I stepped into his role and tried to learn the nuances of my new position, plus his. I was essentially doing what I could to do both jobs. I would say that it probably ended up being more 80% his job, 20% the one I was actually hired for. This "new" position I was in didn't come with extra compensation, just a whole lot more stress and headache. Once again though, I loved the people I worked with and if I hadn't stepped in it would have hurt them. So I was glad to do it. And yes, there was the thought in the back of my mind that this would set me up nicely to get the promotion to his job once it was posted. I had been receiving glowing reviews from my new assigned supervisor and everyone else in the office. I will say it was nice for so many people to recognize the hard work that I was putting in.

Three days ago I receive a phone call and was told then that I would be terminated because I was still in my probationary period, meaning I had less than a year of service. In fact, I had 11 months 2 weeks of service in. That's right, I was 15 days away from being out of my probationary period. I was devastated, still am. The four stages of grief are real as I've been going through them. One of the biggest kicks to the pants of that phone call was I was told my termination letter would state the reason I was let go is because of poor performance. I was told in actuality that is furthest from the truth and that my performance had been outstanding. They can't do that right, that's a complete lie so there's no way right? Well I received the email the next day and sure enough it said "The Agency finds, based on your performance, that you have not demonstrated that your further employment at the Agency would be in the public interest. For this reason, the Agency informs you that the Agency is removing you from your position of ******* with the Agency and the federal civil service effective immediately." I have so many thoughts about this. First, note how impersonal that is and they couldn't even figure out the widget or whatever it takes to actually state the agency I worked for...just says "the Agency". Second I have never had a poor performance review. So please produce for me a document stating that. I will be calling HR on Tuesday (Monday is a federal holiday) and requesting it, which they won't be able to do because it doesn't exist.

I was not the only one in my office that received this exact letter, with wording about "poor performance", even though they had been receiving glowing reviews also. In fact, 99% of the people in my office receive glowing reviews. They are all extremely hard workers and care about the job they do. They aren't remote workers out playing golf on the clock. They are field staff who put in long hours when needed and truly dedicate themselves to their craft. I have been in contact with many that are still employed, at least at the moment, and they are devastated by our recent terminations. I have told them that I'm not trying to be an alarmist but they had better start looking for other jobs as well. Probationary employees are just the first round. No one knows what the next wave is going to look like, but trust that there will be a next wave.

I have no idea what the future is going to hold. I have no idea what this vaunted holy grail private sector is going to look like. Especially after the job market is flooded with recently fired feds. Once again I'll say, my career isn't exactly suited to the private sector. So it's either a career change where I've spent 15+ years gathering experience, or going back to the state. I'm perfectly willing to go back to the state, but the financial hit is going to suck. Having said that, maybe the state would give me more job security so that I'm not beholden to the wims of political administrations every 4 years. Of course there are governor elections every 4 years, so maybe that's wrong....a thought I would have never even entertained before the last couple of weeks.

I'm not posting this to garner any empathy, change anyone's political minds, or ask for any assistance. I'm an adult and can figure things out on my own. In fact I'm betting if you've been willing to read this, it might garner a "well that sucks for that guy" or "sorry you're going through this", and then you'll move on. That's to be expected. We are strangers on a message board. You don't know me any more than I know you. I hope that this never happens to you though because the human element is real. I guess I'm posting this to vent. Typing this has almost been therapeutic and allowed me to use this forum as a sounding board. But perhaps more importantly I'm posting this so that people can see the actual truth behind this chaos. This isn't firing people for actual poor performance. It's hiding behind the idea of poor performance to justify terminating thousands and thousands of people. It's appealing to the masses who see these firings and think to themselves "yeah let's get rid of these wastes, these weeds". Just know you are being fed lies about some of the actual waste.

Having said all of that, I have one question for the folks on this board. It's pretty simple and I don't want to get into big debates about government waste and fraud. My question is...when you were told by this administration about cuts, is firing 100s of thousands of people what you had in mind? That's it, that's all I want to know. I'm a taxpayer and I'd like government waste to be rooted out. But I damn sure didn't think that the federal employees were that waste.

I don't understand why federal employees have been vilified to the point where 100s of thousands of people losing their jobs is cheered and celebrated. I don't know what we did to anger so many people just because we had the audacity to have a career in the federal government. I don't know how we got to a point where people can no longer disagree without hating each other. I just hope we can come back from this point before it's too late.

Edit: I wanted to also mention that probationary employees that decided to take the "generous" severance package and replied resign to the email are now being fired instead and told they won't be receiving the severance. Also, if an employee promotes to a supervisor's position they are entered into a supervisor's probationary period for a year, no matter how long they had been on with their agency beforehand. There are multiple people like that who had 10+ years experience that recently promoted that were terminated. Again, just putting the facts out there from someone who has firsthand knowledge of the situation.
Sorry to hear about your situation as you truly seemed to care about your work.

My mom worked for SSA for years until retirement, and she, like you, loved her job. But, she was commonly the victim of reverse discrimination, and others around her...complete embiciles with no passion for their jobs...were promoted for positions they were nowhere close to performing.

Out of curiosity, why isn't your career suited for the private sector? What did you do?
 
Sorry to hear about your situation as you truly seemed to care about your work.

My mom worked for SSA for years until retirement, and she, like you, loved her job. But, she was commonly the victim of reverse discrimination, and others around her...complete embiciles with no passion for their jobs...were promoted for positions they were nowhere close to performing.

Out of curiosity, why isn't your career suited for the private sector? What did you do?
Yes he said his work was out doors. Was he in the park service or something?
 
Yes he said his work was out doors. Was he in the park service or something?
Ah....I missed that part. Your guess is a good one.

Of all of the government jobs I would've ever wanted, being a park ranger at a national park would've been tops. Bad salaries, but if positioned at one of the great national parks would be a cool gig.
 
Rush I am so sorry to hear this. I know someone who works as hard as you do will land on their feet. I am sure of it. But that doesn’t help right now I know. I work for a corporation. We hired a new ceo and I have had three pay cuts in 3 years. None the prior 20. New leadership in any sector isn’t always good for you.

When i cavalierly said trump is going to be the villian we need, this is unfortunately a part of it. What we hear and see happening isn’t going to be pretty. This makes me feel terrible for you. All I can say is I am sorry, and I will pray for you. Anything else I would say here would be patronizing. And you already know it without being told so.
Nice response, it’s a tough world out there. All you can do is to keep swinging.
 
This is going to be long so read it if you want, but I am going to at least tell my story.

I made the decision to join the federal government last year around this time. I had been a state government employee for the previous 14 years and my dream job finally opened in the feds. This was a job I had dreamed about joining for at least 10 years. A job that I watched multiple times get posted, only to find out it wasn't open to the public and thus I wasn't eligible. So I kept grinding in my state job hoping for a chance one day. Mind you, this state job was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed it, enjoyed the people I worked with. However, I wanted to move to the federal side because of the better opportunities for career advancement. Now some might read "career advancement" and think to themselves it doesn't belong in federal government. And that's fine if you think that way, but just remember to attract quality candidates you have to have quality pay. If you pay McDonald's salaries you will get McDonald's quality. Also, the type of work I do is not typically suited for the private sector. I'm not going to give specific details but let's just say it deals with the outdoors, and leave it at that.

So with that backstory out of the way, fast forward to this time last year when I started my federal career. I loved it. Loved the job, loved the people, loved the office. I'm busting my ass doing this job because 1) I have a fantastic work ethic that was instilled in me by my parents, 2) I'm passionate about the work I was doing, and 3) I was serving the American people and trying to do right by them. A couple of months go by and I find out my supervisor is making a lateral move to another state, a move that was better for his family and I'm proud and happy for him. However, that left a void in his position. I stepped into his role and tried to learn the nuances of my new position, plus his. I was essentially doing what I could to do both jobs. I would say that it probably ended up being more 80% his job, 20% the one I was actually hired for. This "new" position I was in didn't come with extra compensation, just a whole lot more stress and headache. Once again though, I loved the people I worked with and if I hadn't stepped in it would have hurt them. So I was glad to do it. And yes, there was the thought in the back of my mind that this would set me up nicely to get the promotion to his job once it was posted. I had been receiving glowing reviews from my new assigned supervisor and everyone else in the office. I will say it was nice for so many people to recognize the hard work that I was putting in.

Three days ago I receive a phone call and was told then that I would be terminated because I was still in my probationary period, meaning I had less than a year of service. In fact, I had 11 months 2 weeks of service in. That's right, I was 15 days away from being out of my probationary period. I was devastated, still am. The four stages of grief are real as I've been going through them. One of the biggest kicks to the pants of that phone call was I was told my termination letter would state the reason I was let go is because of poor performance. I was told in actuality that is furthest from the truth and that my performance had been outstanding. They can't do that right, that's a complete lie so there's no way right? Well I received the email the next day and sure enough it said "The Agency finds, based on your performance, that you have not demonstrated that your further employment at the Agency would be in the public interest. For this reason, the Agency informs you that the Agency is removing you from your position of ******* with the Agency and the federal civil service effective immediately." I have so many thoughts about this. First, note how impersonal that is and they couldn't even figure out the widget or whatever it takes to actually state the agency I worked for...just says "the Agency". Second I have never had a poor performance review. So please produce for me a document stating that. I will be calling HR on Tuesday (Monday is a federal holiday) and requesting it, which they won't be able to do because it doesn't exist.

I was not the only one in my office that received this exact letter, with wording about "poor performance", even though they had been receiving glowing reviews also. In fact, 99% of the people in my office receive glowing reviews. They are all extremely hard workers and care about the job they do. They aren't remote workers out playing golf on the clock. They are field staff who put in long hours when needed and truly dedicate themselves to their craft. I have been in contact with many that are still employed, at least at the moment, and they are devastated by our recent terminations. I have told them that I'm not trying to be an alarmist but they had better start looking for other jobs as well. Probationary employees are just the first round. No one knows what the next wave is going to look like, but trust that there will be a next wave.

I have no idea what the future is going to hold. I have no idea what this vaunted holy grail private sector is going to look like. Especially after the job market is flooded with recently fired feds. Once again I'll say, my career isn't exactly suited to the private sector. So it's either a career change where I've spent 15+ years gathering experience, or going back to the state. I'm perfectly willing to go back to the state, but the financial hit is going to suck. Having said that, maybe the state would give me more job security so that I'm not beholden to the wims of political administrations every 4 years. Of course there are governor elections every 4 years, so maybe that's wrong....a thought I would have never even entertained before the last couple of weeks.

I'm not posting this to garner any empathy, change anyone's political minds, or ask for any assistance. I'm an adult and can figure things out on my own. In fact I'm betting if you've been willing to read this, it might garner a "well that sucks for that guy" or "sorry you're going through this", and then you'll move on. That's to be expected. We are strangers on a message board. You don't know me any more than I know you. I hope that this never happens to you though because the human element is real. I guess I'm posting this to vent. Typing this has almost been therapeutic and allowed me to use this forum as a sounding board. But perhaps more importantly I'm posting this so that people can see the actual truth behind this chaos. This isn't firing people for actual poor performance. It's hiding behind the idea of poor performance to justify terminating thousands and thousands of people. It's appealing to the masses who see these firings and think to themselves "yeah let's get rid of these wastes, these weeds". Just know you are being fed lies about some of the actual waste.

Having said all of that, I have one question for the folks on this board. It's pretty simple and I don't want to get into big debates about government waste and fraud. My question is...when you were told by this administration about cuts, is firing 100s of thousands of people what you had in mind? That's it, that's all I want to know. I'm a taxpayer and I'd like government waste to be rooted out. But I damn sure didn't think that the federal employees were that waste.

I don't understand why federal employees have been vilified to the point where 100s of thousands of people losing their jobs is cheered and celebrated. I don't know what we did to anger so many people just because we had the audacity to have a career in the federal government. I don't know how we got to a point where people can no longer disagree without hating each other. I just hope we can come back from this point before it's too late.

Edit: I wanted to also mention that probationary employees that decided to take the "generous" severance package and replied resign to the email are now being fired instead and told they won't be receiving the severance. Also, if an employee promotes to a supervisor's position they are entered into a supervisor's probationary period for a year, no matter how long they had been on with their agency beforehand. There are multiple people like that who had 10+ years experience that recently promoted that were terminated. Again, just putting the facts out there from someone who has firsthand knowledge of the situation.
Best of luck to you.
 
@clrushton1 - Thank you for taking the time to explain what you have just experienced. It seems consistent with what I've been able to read.

Your question was...when you were told by this administration about cuts, is firing 100s of thousands of people what you had in mind? Certainly not the way they have gone about it, but I would like to step back and try and look at the bigger picture.

I think everyone agrees that there is a lot of waste in the Federal Government. It has a number of components and I think they need to be dealt with separately. This isn't the whole breakdown and one can look at it in another way, but I'm looking at it in this way.

The Federal Government (FG) approves a lot of bills that are not a good use of money. Otherwise known as pork, legislators try and add their projects to bills sometimes literally to get their vote. I have no idea what might happen here. I would love for them to be eliminated, but let's be realistic; some changes are going to take time.

Do we need all the Departments we have, probably not. But this needs to be done efficiently; which is not what I am seeing from Trump/Musk (T/M). If they decide to get rid of the Department of Education, I don't have a problem. But I do have a problem if it's not done by analyzing what they are doing and how it is going to be done by the States. The States like having control over the educational process and that's okay, but let's not duplicate something 50 times which is being done by one group. You can still eliminate the Department of Education by moving certain parts into another Department.

There are a lot programs which are being looked at for elimination. I shouldn't say being looked at, because it seems like the decision has been made. I wish they would look at things closer, but T/M feel they have a mandate to do what they personally want and I disagree. I don't think they have a mandate period, but they have a public that wants FG waste eliminated, but no agreement on what is waste.

There is a lot of fraud in the FG, or should we say, their programs. There was so much fraud in the PPP program and I guess they are still going after people. There is a lot of fraud in Medicare and occasionally they catch someone and they have stolen millions. Obviously there isn't a lot of fear of being caught. They might not be able to go after everyone, but if they catch more maybe they can put fear in others who might consider it. It's going to be interesting to see what they find regarding Social Security payments going to people who shouldn't be getting it. There is no excuse for that; that's where they should be spending money. It seems like Musk is a perfect person to modernize these systems, but it's going to take people and money.

I don't want to make this any longer, so let's get to your situation. I'm sure there are people in the FG who should be fired. Working from home might have made this worse. I wouldn't be surprised if people close to retirement just hang around to get their benefits - these are the people who should be fired. I don't have a problem with that. Workers have to be accountable. But I haven't seen the first step in an efficient, fair process to cut the workforce. I would guess that people still on probation are not the ones trying to see how little they can work. I'm sorry - firing those people because it's easy just to say look at me and how I reduced the workforce is totally asinine. You haven't gotten rid of one person that should be gone (of course, there might be a few in that group). So, no I didn't think that 100s of thousand of people would be on their way out already. Look at the mess they created with the nuclear safety employees they fired on Thursday. They quickly were told that some of these people were essential, but when they wanted to notify them they wanted to rehire them, supposedly they couldn't contact them because all they had was their email address which they had been shut out of. Forget the fact that you have damaged the morale of the good people working for the government. Maybe think about things that are essential.

And in your case, being told you were being let go because of poor performance is infuriating to me. Such crap and you have a right to be disappointed in the whole experience. I'm sure there are many remaining employees getting their resumes updated.
They have created a big mess and I hope they can get rid of people no longer doing their job.

Wish you the best and please let us know what happens.
 
I was specifically referring to when people believe federal employees are the waste. In that instance, the lies being told are the probationary "wastes" being terminated were done so because of poor performance. That is the bold faced lie I was referring to.
oh ok, I understand. I wonder why they would open themselves up to something like that. I would think past performance reviews could prove it isn't an accurate assessment of your work. Hopefully you get that turned around, remember HR isn't there for you.
 
Nice response, it’s a tough world out there. All you can do is to keep swinging.
I was laid twice during the early Reagan years. Kept looking at putting out resumes. I was never without a job for over two weeks. I took a lot of jobs that didn’t pay what I was paid before but I had a family to feed. In 1982 finally found a job with a good financial situation and future. If you don’t give up good things will happen.
 
The bigger question is how in the hell is the government going to properly function with all of these layoffs. I am astounded that people are ok with a man who has never served his country in any capacity or has any understanding of the function of government or it’s purpose is allowed to make decisions regarding the destruction of the government that has served us so well. If you are interested in cutting so called waste and fraud in the government then go after all the government contracts given to the wasteful private contractors that drain the federal budget.
 
The bigger question is how in the hell is the government going to properly function with all of these layoffs. I am astounded that people are ok with a man who has never served his country in any capacity or has any understanding of the function of government or it’s purpose is allowed to make decisions regarding the destruction of the government that has served us so well. If you are interested in cutting so called waste and fraud in the government then go after all the government contracts given to the wasteful private contractors that drain the federal budget.
We will function just fine with a leaner and smaller government. The states will be handing a lot of what the federal government does now.
 
I was laid twice during the early Reagan years. Kept looking at putting out resumes. I was never without a job for over two weeks. I took a lot of jobs that didn’t pay what I was paid before but I had a family to feed. In 1982 finally found a job with a good financial situation and future. If you don’t give up good things will happen.

“I was laid twice during the early Reagan years”.

Only twice??…..shat, proud to say I got laid a helluva lot more than that,
 
The bigger question is how in the hell is the government going to properly function with all of these layoffs. I am astounded that people are ok with a man who has never served his country in any capacity or has any understanding of the function of government or it’s purpose is allowed to make decisions regarding the destruction of the government that has served us so well. If you are interested in cutting so called waste and fraud in the government then go after all the government contracts given to the wasteful private contractors that drain the federal budget.
80% of federal government employees could be fired tomorrow and you would not notice a single difference in how our government functions. Why? Because 80% of federal government jobs are completely worthless and should not exist in the first place. That is how ridiculously bloated and wasteful the federal government has become.
 
“I was laid twice during the early Reagan years”.

Only twice??…..shat, proud to say I got laid a helluva lot more than that,
Hey man I was laid off or shut down 8 plants during my working career. The employment office told me to retire that I was closing all of the plants in the area.
 
Hey man I was laid off or shut down 8 plants during my working career. The employment office told me to retire that I was closing all of the plants in the area.
Just adding some levity to the discussion. I have been through a few buyouts in my earlier years…have felt the pain.

Not fun - but life lessons were learned and I grew from it. Nothing is guaranteed in life, you just have to keep believing & keep on keeping on.

Things always work out if you want it bad enough.
 
Just adding some levity to the discussion. I have been through a few buyouts in my earlier years…have felt the pain.

Not fun - but life lessons were learned and I grew from it. Nothing is guaranteed in life, you just have to keep believing & keep on keeping on.

Things always work out if you want it bad enough.
When I would get laid off I didn’t sit around and feel sorry for myself. I got out there and started beating the bushes so to speak. Heck I would find something to do until I found something better. I was in industrial maintenance so I had a trade.
 
I’ve gotten laid off. It sucks. But listen up. In my late 40s, I snagged a job with a network company. I had two kids in middle school, a mortgage, car payments. The works. I loved it, and then one day, an email. There will be an all-hands meeting in the large conference room. Yep. So I got another job at another network company. Built POPS around the world, had leased fiber around the world, worked from 8AM to 10PM, loved it. And one day, an email.

You cannot give up. I quit the network field, and went back to construction management, learned a scheduling software, got twice what I was making, worked with superior people, and I loved what I was doing.

So yeah, life dealt you a bad hand. You can let it beat you, or you can overcome it. You can do it.
 
80% of federal government employees could be fired tomorrow and you would not notice a single difference in how our government functions. Why? Because 80% of federal government jobs are completely worthless and should not exist in the first place. That is how ridiculously bloated and wasteful the federal government has become.
You know what’s worse? State, municipal, county, and city jobs.

 
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Ahh, the cruel hand of fate.
1977 when I got out of law school, the ayatollah of Iran shot down a helicopter.
I had 3 jobs, all right at or over $30k on the table and they all dried up, the economy went in the tank, and the offers were rescinded.

Like you, I didn’t have any other options at the ready because it appeared I was set.
Literally had a BBA in Finance, MBA in Economics, and a UGA Law Degree with zero job outlook.

The best advice I got was “Circumstances don’t make the man, they reveal him.” However, advice didn’t put bread on the table and had to work hourly labor until I got on with IBM 90 days after graduation.

Has permanently changed my outlook on life from one of expectation to one of gratitude.

You are in my prayers.
Is this all you got? Just sympathy for the guy and relating it to your life experiences without any evaluative comments concerning what Trump and Musk are doing? You are obviously a smart guy or you wouldn't have a law degree--what is it that you MAGA supporters think Trump's goal is? Do you think that he and his billionaire friend will ever give up control of the government? Or perhaps that is Ok with you?
 
Is this all you got? Just sympathy for the guy and relating it to your life experiences without any evaluative comments concerning what Trump and Musk are doing? You are obviously a smart guy or you wouldn't have a law degree--what is it that you MAGA supporters think Trump's goal is? Do you think that he and his billionaire friend will ever give up control of the government? Or perhaps that is Ok with you?

Trump & Musk are simply the least worst of the two.
Their approach is needed but given Trump’s history of cronyism and unbridled narcissism - you got to worry.

The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune still hold sway over most all of us.
 
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