And Copernicus was convicted of heresy for believing the earth orbited the sun. If you want to do a scorecard of science and religion describing natural phenomenon I’m game, lol.
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We're discussing "climate change" there is no science involved .
Why are you so concerned about trying to explain your point of view? Why do you seem to care so much what other people believe? Why do you seem to find joy in trashing people's religion and beliefs? Belief in Christ gives people great comfort in times of sickness and grief. What kind of person finds joy in shitting on that?
"Higher standards through rational thought?" What an absolute joke. You're like a poor dog which has been kicked its entire life. You look for the most meaningful things, those things people hold dear, and you lash out and ridicule them. Nice guy. There is something you can't have, only because you deny yourself and would have to humble yourself, and therefore you try to ruin it for others. This is inexplicable to me.
The same has been said about every controversial scientific theory ever by people like you, yet you depend on such things daily. Be dumb if you want, it don’t change my life.
No that's dumb. See there is ZERO evidence of this hoax. How do we THINKING people know this? History and actual FACTs of their failed loony predictions and their very own emails admitting that they aren't getting the results they need, so they have to change the data.
But nuts and drama queens will ignore the facts......and believe the BS. They input data in their computer models with an idea of the "facts" they want to reach.
Just recently satellite data showed they were all washed up.....after a few years of battling this inconvenient truth.....Amazingly,,...the discovered the date was wrong and actually supports they cause!!!
18 examples of the spectacularly wrong predictions made around 1970 when the “green holy day” (aka Earth Day) started:
1. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
2. “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation,” wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment.
3. The day after the first Earth Day, the New York Times editorial page warned, “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”
4. “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make,” Paul Ehrlich confidently declared in the April 1970 issue of Mademoiselle. “The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
5. “Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born,” wrote Paul Ehrlich in a 1969 essay titled “Eco-Catastrophe! “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
6. Ehrlich sketched out his most alarmist scenario for the 1970 Earth Day issue of The Progressive, assuring readers that between 1980 and 1989, some 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the “Great Die-Off.”
7. “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” declared Denis Hayes, the chief organizer for Earth Day, in the Spring 1970 issue of The Living Wilderness.
8. Peter Gunter, a North Texas State University professor, wrote in 1970, “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
9. In January 1970, Life reported, “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
10. Ecologist Kenneth Watt told Time that, “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
11. Barry Commoner predicted that decaying organic pollutants would use up all of the oxygen in America’s rivers, causing freshwater fish to suffocate.
12. Paul Ehrlich chimed in, predicting in 1970 that “air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” Ehrlich sketched a scenario in which 200,000 Americans would die in 1973 during “smog disasters” in New York and Los Angeles.
13. Paul Ehrlich warned in the May 1970 issue of Audubon that DDT and other chlorinated hydrocarbons “may have substantially reduced the life expectancy of people born since 1945.” Ehrlich warned that Americans born since 1946…now had a life expectancy of only 49 years, and he predicted that if current patterns continued this expectancy would reach 42 years by 1980, when it might level out. (Note: According to the most recent CDC report, life expectancy in the US is 78.8 years).
14. Ecologist Kenneth Watt declared, “By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.'”
15. Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences, published a chart in Scientific American that looked at metal reserves and estimated the humanity would totally run out of copper shortly after 2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990.
16. Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote in Look that, “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
17. In 1975, Paul Ehrlich predicted that “since more than nine-tenths of the original tropical rainforests will be removed in most areas within the next 30 years or so, it is expected that half of the organisms in these areas will vanish with it.”
18. Kenneth Watt warned about a pending Ice Age in a speech. “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years,” he declared. “If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
The end of snow: The IPCC has also hyped snowless winters. In its 2001 report, it claimed “milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms.” Again, though, the climate refused to cooperate. The latest data from Rutgers’ Global Snow Lab showed an all-time new record high in autumn snow cover across the northern hemisphere in 2014, when more than 22 million square kilometers were covered.
And according to data from the National Operational Hydrologic Remote Sensing Center cited by meteorologist Mike Mogil, “U.S. snow cover on the morning of Dec. 1, 2015 is the highest on record for this day of the year.” In all, 38.7 percent of the United States was covered in snow, surpassing the previous record — 36.5 percent — set in 2006. Worldwide, similar trends have been observed. Global Snow Lab data also shows Eurasian autumn snow cover has grown by 50 percent since records began in 1979.
After their predictions were proven wrong, alarmists claimed global warming was actually to blame for the record cold and snow across America and beyond. Seriously. Among the “experts” making that argument was former cooling zealot Holdren, Obama’s science czar: “A growing body of evidence suggests that the kind of extreme cold being experienced by much of the United States as we speak is a pattern we can expect to see with increasing frequency, as global warming continues.”
When asked for the “growing body of evidence” behind his assertions, Holdren’s office refused to provide it, claiming the ramblings were just his “opinion” and therefore not subject to transparency and accuracy laws. Still, Holdren’s claim directly contradicts the IPCC, which in 2001 predicted “warmer winters and fewer cold spells.”
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A new ice age and worldwide starvation: In the 1960s and ’70s, top mainstream media outlets, such as Newsweek above, hyped the imminent global-cooling apocalypse. Even as late as the early 1980s, prominent voices still warned of potential doomsday scenarios owing to man-made cooling, ranging from mass starvation caused by cooling-induced crop failures to another “Ice Age” that would kill most of mankind.
Among the top global-cooling theorists were Obama’s current “science czar” John Holdren and Paul Ehrlich, the author of Population Bomb, which predicted mass starvation worldwide. In the 1971 textbook Global Ecology, the duo warned that overpopulation and pollution would produce a new ice age, claiming that human activities are “said to be responsible for the present world cooling trend.” The pair fingered “jet exhausts” and “man-made changes in the reflectivity of the earth’s surface through urbanization, deforestation, and the enlargement of deserts” as potential triggers for his new ice age. They worried that the man-made cooling might produce an “outward slumping in the Antarctic ice cap” and “generate a tidal wave of proportions unprecedented in recorded history.”
Holdren predicted that a billion people would die in “carbon-dioxide induced famines” as part of a new “Ice Age” by the year 2020.
Ehrlich, a professor at Stanford University, similarly claimed in a 1971 speech at the British Institute for Biology, “By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people.” He added, “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 and give ten to one that the life of the average Briton would be of distinctly lower quality than it is today.”
To stave off the allegedly impending ecological disasters, the two alarmists demanded the implementation of “solutions.” In the book Ecoscience, the duo pushed a “planetary regime” to control resources, as well as forced abortions and sterilization to stop overpopulation, including drugging water and food supplies with sterilizing agents.
Countless other scientists have offered similar cooling warnings. Fortunately, the alarmists were dead wrong, and none of their “solutions” was implemented. Not only did “billions” of people not die from cooling-linked crop failures, but the globe appears to have warmed slightly since then, probably naturally, and agricultural productivity is higher than it ever has been. Now, though, the boogeyman is anthropogenic global warming, or AGW.
You know, modern climate science many times can not accurately predict the weather for the next 24 hours. And they expect me to believe they know what's going to happen over the next 50 or 100 years? What an absurdity. The one person in world history who has science and scientists pegged is Gary Larson.
They've been caught cooking the books on climate change too many times for me to pay any attention to them.
Anyone over the age of 30 that buys into this stuff is a weak minded lunatic.
Science is founded in the principle that as new evidence and studies come to light that old ideas are replaced with better ideas. So of course there are countless examples of science getting it wrong. The beautiful thing about that is the best researched idea with the most well demonstrated facts is the prevailing theory. Makes sense, right? So, unlike people here who are afraid of science because it conflicts with their biblical worldview and thus react to it with contempt or ignore it or use bad theories to support an an issue that is tied up in some political affiliation that just so happens to be more “pro-Christian”, I am perfectly at peace with saying this: you are right. Science is often wrong, the difference is that’s perfectly fine and natural. That’s the difference between Billy Graham and Stephen Hawking. One was trapped by the constraints of a text that can never admit falability lest it unravel completely, the other was free to ask questions and chance being wrong. One is based on fear, the other in courage.
On the issue of global warming or climate being affected by humans let’s apply some common sense. Yes, it’s obvious that the earth naturally moves through different periods of prevailing temperature periods where it’s been colder or hotter. Ice Ages, periods of time where the earth was very warm. And, there are reasons for this. Volcanic activity which change the amount of certain gases that don’t allow the suns rays to be reflected back through the atmosphere, variation in solar activity which affect the amount of energy the earth receives etc. Reason would tell you that if human beings are producing those same gasses that evidence has shown will change the composition of the atmosphere that, yes, we can have an effect on the temperature of this planet. And we do.
This is from the United States Environmental Protection Agency Agencies web site:
The recent role of the greenhouse effect
Since the Industrial Revolution began around 1750, human activities have contributed substantially to climate change by adding CO2 and other heat-trapping gases to the atmosphere. These greenhouse gas emissions have increased the greenhouse effect and caused Earth’s surface temperature to rise. The primary human activity affecting the amount and rate of climate change is greenhouse gas emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.
Now, I’m assuming you aren’t a scientist, but you have the hubris to say these people are morons or in some kind of vast conspiracy(for what reason? Thier careers depend on doing sound work), which to me is indicitive of willful, feigned ignorance to support an agenda or insanity.
On the issue of global warming or climate being affected by humans let’s apply some common sense. Yes, it’s obvious that the earth naturally moves through different periods of prevailing temperature periods where it’s been colder or hotter. Ice Ages, periods of time where the earth was very warm. And, there are reasons for this. Volcanic activity which change the amount of certain gases that don’t allow the suns rays to be reflected back through the atmosphere, variation in solar activity which affect the amount of energy the earth receives etc. Reason would tell you that if human beings are producing those same gasses that evidence has shown will change the composition of the atmosphere that, yes, we can have an effect on the temperature of this planet. And we do.
This is from the United States Environmental Protection Agency Agencies web site:
The recent role of the greenhouse effect
Since the Industrial Revolution began around 1750, human activities have contributed substantially to climate change by adding CO2 and other heat-trapping gases to the atmosphere. These greenhouse gas emissions have increased the greenhouse effect and caused Earth’s surface temperature to rise. The primary human activity affecting the amount and rate of climate change is greenhouse gas emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.
Now, I’m assuming you aren’t a scientist, but you have the hubris to say these people are morons or in some kind of vast conspiracy(for what reason? Thier careers depend on doing sound work), which to me is indicitive of willful, feigned ignorance to support an agenda or insanity.
I don't know, but there is no heaven and hell is having to put up with folks who believe that stuff.
So do you believe in heaven and hell as described in the bible?
Yea they're morons if they believe that shit. Now you guy have to make up your mind....is in the industrial revolution ?? The explain why it was much, much warmer before, and much much colder before? Its silly and there is ZERO Science behind it, only politically motivated computer generated Bullshit. We (people) are a nat on a bulls ass compared to everything the goes into our world. I mean my God, did you not read the years of loony predictions? These morons blame everything on Climate change. To cold...Climate change, too hot , climate change Too rainy climate change, drought Climate change....Its laughable.....and frankly stupid
You're dodging the question. Do you believe in heaven and hell. Yes or no.
I guess you’ll find out one way or the other one day. I absolutely do believe in both places as portrayed in the Bible. I guess if I’m wrong we’ll end up the same in the end. If I’m right, well....I respect your right to make that call. We all have free will and I wish you the best.
Hawking was pro Palestinian. That’s all I ever needed to now about him.
This is another post season - pre spring practice kind of debate that either ends nowhere or is nuked at some point. However, we need to refocus. Does Hawking have any young relative(s) that can play football, basketball, baseball, etc. at a championship level?
I believe people who don't believe have no chance of getting to the former. Best of luck!
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Sounds like you're angry... I am guessing you're the type that only believes what they see and have experienced?
All fake. Not a bit of science . Just propaganda to keep the stupid on the plantation. Did you not read the things I posted?This isn’t sub atomic particle theory, it’s really really simple cause and effect stuff. But, I guess no one at NASA has any firing brain cells.
Of course he did not read them. People who believe the horseshit which government-grant-funded scientists put out will not spend time reading anything contrary. Government is FLOODING these whistledicks with money in grants renewable annually. “We’re all going to perish in a firebomb,” grant gets renewed. “Data does not support man-caused warming,” scientist looking for a job.
The whole deal is rooted in globalization, transfer of wealth from the wealthy countries to the stump-stupid ones. It is just a small piece of the puzzle. The industrialists are lucky they have so many dumbasses begging to eat whatever shit they are served.
More info if you want to break out of the ignorance of the Democrat plantation
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/14/rutgers-university-global-warming-study/
http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/03...ming-causes-less-snow-more-snow-book-excerpt/
Not angry....amused by people who don't believe in science, but do believe in fairy tales.
Lot's of things I haven't experienced or seen that I believe and most of them are backed up by scientific fact.
Lot’s of things in the Bible that weren’t known to the scientific world at the time that science has since proven true.
Nope. I think any thinking person here knows what my answer is.
Speaking from experience, don't waste your time. He will only insult your beliefs. I guess it gives him some sort of perverse pleasure, makes him feel smart.
Tell the truth brother. I mean how can anyone with any intellect at all be swayed by this ever changing Climate hoax BS. Some real dumbasses in this World
You're a f**king idiot. You're about as smart as a stump.
Start with ocean currents/paths and then move on to the flood. Will provide more when you finish.
In 2010, Stephen Hawking said God does not exist. In 2018, God said Stephen Hawking does not exist.
I know everyone gave me a hard time about the perception that I was glad he was going to hell. In reality, I’m sad this might be the case as I’m sure our creator is every time one of his children reject him. The reason I’m happy that he’s gone is that he can’t teach falsehoods to others and potentially make them suffer the same fate.
